Bob Taylor is GOD Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just watched the FL 72 Review on Sky. Cotts was on the phone to the presenters - defending our "Big Spenders" tag. It is repeated on Sky Sports 1 at 18:30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rizzle Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Can you elaborate at all on what he said? I don't have sky sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Usual stuff...... Moneybags owner, largest squad in the football league, inflated salaries and transfer fees , we bought the JPT/ promotion and we're called Bristol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robin1988 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 We have a large budget for this league, you would expect us to do well. The fact is, though, City could finish only a few points off what Wolves achieved last season, and our spending pales in comparison to the wages some of their players were on. Losing 5-6 games in a season is an achievement for any club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 We have a large budget for this league, you would expect us to do well. The fact is, though, City could finish only a few points off what Wolves achieved last season, and our spending pales in comparison to the wages some of their players were on. Losing 5-6 games in a season is an achievement for any club. Ah good, someone who knows what the budget is. What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ah good, someone who knows what the budget is. What is it? A proportion of turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I like all of an apple turnover thank you very much not just a portion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tins Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ah good, someone who knows what the budget is. What is it? I think we'd be extremely naive to believe that the likes of Freeman, Smith and Agard aren't on upper end of wages for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I think we'd be extremely naive to believe that the likes of Freeman, Smith and Agard aren't on upper end of wages for this league. This might be true, but I'd venture that this would still be very little compared to mid-low end Championship sides. Agard turned down bigger money at Leeds to come here, and I can tell you; Leeds are currently FAR from the largest spenders in that league. I'd never argue that we are in a better position than many sides in this league, but that comes from a number of factors, including what are (usually; the rebuild considered) big crowds for this level. The fact is, the likes of Sheffield United are rarely more likely paying similar/more than us out in wages and fees, yet they looks to already be unable to go up automatically - money is only part of what build a successful team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ah good, someone who knows what the budget is. What is it? What is it? A budget is a quantitative expression of a plan for a defined period of time. It may include planned sales volumes and revenues, resource quantities, costs and expenses, assets, liabilities and cash flows. It expresses strategic plans of business units, organizations, activities or events in measurable terms. Hope that helps Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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REDOXO Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Football at higher levels is pretty much sponsored by sky wealthy benefactors and corporate sponsorship. Ok so we have a wealthy man in our corner, but so what! Man Utd have bought league titles for years now matched by Chelsea and Man City. To compete on any basis in the next 20 years BCFC will need to increase its attraction to industry and gain a bigger portion of television money. This football club is on the way to do that and I am amazed that Hargreaves Lansdown is not on our shirts already, if we make the prem be assured that will be a shoe in for this club. We as supporters have to come terms with that or we will continue to be the club to rich for division 3 but too poor for division 2 which has been our problem for donkeys years. A new stadium attractive football and a competitive side helps and this costs money. However SC did a brilliant job bringing in players on free transfers and Agard was paid for by Baldock leaving. This is good business. What somebody implies on Sky is of no consequence. The richest clubs have always bought things, we hopefully will join some second level elite over the next few years and this in turn will attract industry and prosperity to the area. Despite the best efforts of Fi Hance red trousers et al! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ah good, someone who knows what the budget is. What is it? Large for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Large for this league. Thanks everybody for your replies. So it would seem nobody knows what it is then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 a pound of apples. Ah, but that would be 'lbs', H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thanks everybody for your replies. So it would seem nobody knows what it is then! Very few people will know the individual wages for each player, but you don't need to be a member of the coaching staff to know City pay relatively well, albeit without throwing money at the team as they have done in previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 This might be true, but I'd venture that this would still be very little compared to mid-low end Championship sides. Agard turned down bigger money at Leeds to come here, and I can tell you; Leeds are currently FAR from the largest spenders in that league. I'd never argue that we are in a better position than many sides in this league, but that comes from a number of factors, including what are (usually; the rebuild considered) big crowds for this level. The fact is, the likes of Sheffield United are rarely more likely paying similar/more than us out in wages and fees, yet they looks to already be unable to go up automatically - money is only part of what build a successful team. I would agree, we'd probably be mid-lower with our current budget. With promotion (and likely wage clauses) I'd expect us to be mid spenders to be honest. My point was though everyone is criticizing managers for saying we have a big budget, but it is true for the league we are in. Sheff United are massively under performing with their budget, so yes it doesn't mean everything, however let's not pretend we aren't fortunate to of been able to cherry pick some of the best players due to that extra financial clout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Very few people will know the individual wages for each player, but you don't need to be a member of the coaching staff to know City pay relatively well, albeit without throwing money at the team as they have done in previous years. That's not my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ah, but that would be 'lbs', H. Actually you may write it either way Rog especially when it is obvious one is conversing about weight and not currency. Incidentally have you ever wondered why we use the symbol 'lb' for the 'pounds' unit? 'pound' is short for 'pound weight' which was libra pondo in Latin. The libra part meant both weight or balance scales. The Latin usage was shortened to libra, which naturally was abbreviated 'lb'. We adopted the pound part from pondo, yet kept the abbreviation for libra. Fancy that. I need to go have a lie down now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'm not sure exactly Steve Lansdown has been the majority share holder at AG but my point is he's always been loaded but until this season previous managers haven't used the resources to the maximum potential. Now the combination of Cotterill and Burt have made the most of the available funds and Cotterill in particular has created a pretty useful squad. Of course other envious clubs and one eyed pundits will point to a mega rich owner but SL has been the main resource provider for a number of years so why only now are City flying? These envious clubs and one eyed pundits need to look at the facts before they spout off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Actually you may write it either way Rog especially when it is obvious one is conversing about weight and not currency. Incidentally have you ever wondered why we use the symbol 'lb' for the 'pounds' unit? 'pound' is short for 'pound weight' which was libra pondo in Latin. The libra part meant both weight or balance scales. The Latin usage was shortened to libra, which naturally was abbreviated 'lb'. We adopted the pound part from pondo, yet kept the abbreviation for libra. Fancy that. I need to go have a lie down now . And me, I failed my latin 'O' level, dismally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I would agree, we'd probably be mid-lower with our current budget. With promotion (and likely wage clauses) I'd expect us to be mid spenders to be honest. My point was though everyone is criticizing managers for saying we have a big budget, but it is true for the league we are in. Sheff United are massively under performing with their budget, so yes it doesn't mean everything, however let's not pretend we aren't fortunate to of been able to cherry pick some of the best players due to that extra financial clout. I really wasn't doing that. At all. And we were smart; waited until summer to do our deals, avoiding the crazy January sales both this year and last. Plus, our squad this year has been ridiculously small compared to other sides, and though we might pay more per player, we've likely saved a few bob simply by both limiting numbers, and farming out folks on loan as soon as it looks like we don't need then for a while (El Abd, Burns and Reid repeatedly, now Osborne too) - we never even got a back-up keeper in outside of Richards, who I'd suggest is on less than Parish even. Yeah, we aren't skint, and we've used our backing to build a good squad. But when the likes of Notts County turn up, play like a pub side, get trashed, and then their manager brings up how much money we've spent; who cares? Teams with zero cash can give you a game if they are well drilled and motivated. Don't mind being called 'Big Spenders'; tends to be folks getting their excused in early or recriminations in late, and I've seen more expensive City teams play far worse than this lot in the not too distant past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 That's not my question. Your question isn't going to get answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I really wasn't doing that. At all. And we were smart; waited until summer to do our deals, avoiding the crazy January sales both this year and last. Plus, our squad this year has been ridiculously small compared to other sides, and though we might pay more per player, we've likely saved a few bob simply by both limiting numbers, and farming out folks on loan as soon as it looks like we don't need then for a while (El Abd, Burns and Reid repeatedly, now Osborne too) - we never even got a back-up keeper in outside of Richards, who I'd suggest is on less than Parish even. Yeah, we aren't skint, and we've used our backing to build a good squad. But when the likes of Notts County turn up, play like a pub side, get trashed, and then their manager brings up how much money we've spent; who cares? Teams with zero cash can give you a game if they are well drilled and motivated. Don't mind being called 'Big Spenders'; tends to be folks getting their excused in early or recriminations in late, and I've seen more expensive City teams play far worse than this lot in the not too distant past. Sorry, again I wasn't pinpointing you out, I was talking about quite a few other users of this forum. I agree with most of what you said apart from the loan part, I expect we are paying 80% of most of our loan player's wages. This is mainly due to the clubs they are at, and El Abd and Reid I expect are on decent wages. On the other hand I expect we are only paying half of Tav's and Sav's wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Basically no one knows what our budget is, no one knows what the club pays the players, and everything on this thread is speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Your question isn't going to get answered. I never thought it would be. Nobody knows what the budget is, so why state that it is big? It's only an assumption. My guess would be that it's not as big as people think it is, considering we have a small squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 We are told our spending is within the guidelines of FFP, so I don't see where the problem is. I would suggest our wage bill is less than last year. Of our current squad only Cunningham and Bryan played for us in the Championship, last season we were still paying players from the Championship era, even though they hardly played. Others clubs have loads of players on loan, I note Peter Ramage could not play for Barnsley as they cannot play all of the 7 players they have on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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