BCFC Jordan Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How grossly we've been mismanaged off the pitch over the summer window. By far the worst summer transfer window we've ever had as a club, at least in my memory, and it has completely destroyed the momentum we had going for us last season. We've let important players leave and as of today, have only signed one player on a permanent transfer. One! Of the three players we have brought in, two are back-up loan signings. It's just so hard to take in how wrong the club has got it. The players we do have are very talented, but we have no squad. It's pathetic how we can be in such a state at this stage of the season. A squad that is far weaker than the collective group that we had last season. With just days remaining of the transfer window and we need 4 or 5 signings. Such a waste of an opportunity this year. It's incredibly frustrating to witness as a City fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I just assumed we had some transfer embargo forced on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fka dagest Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Hmm, maybe you're over reacting, but I agree we've got the process wrong. I think the streetwise clubs scout Europe and pick up the required standard there. We need to operate along the lines of Brentford, Charlton and Brighton (like this Manu guy they've signed). The signing of Kodjia gave me hope, but again we seem too short-sighted when it comes to recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How old are you if this is the worst transfer window as its called now,the defeat today had nothing to do with the squad,it was plain bad finishing and switching off on set pieces,no big squad is going to change that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 An example of what it means is Little. Clearly not 100% match fit at the moment - how could he be. Our squad should enable us to work him in slowly at a sensible pace. We do not have that option, and it is harsh on him. Clearly, thin lines at the moment, but mood music seems all wrong, and momentum from last season as good as gone. Still hope and think we are good enough to be mid table, but confidence is worth a lot at any level. That must be just starting to drain out a little, then it will be a case of hanging on to our better players. Not panicking,but yes, worried. Nothing yet something a couple of wins would not put right, but it this window has been shameful, and not really sure myself where responsibility for that sits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Tending to agree with it. We missed a real opportunity here to keep the momentum and take the league by storm. I guess we still could but looking at the lads it looks a bit dire(imo). They don't look as happy playing. They don't sprint out of the tunnel like they did last season. The whole club just feels off at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 How old are you if this is the worst transfer window as its called now,the defeat today had nothing to do with the squad,it was plain bad finishing and switching off on set pieces,no big squad is going to change that It's not the just the fact that we've not brought anyone in, it's the players we've let go too (in most cases willingly). Five games in and we can't even fill the bench. I'm just so disappointed in what's gone on. I know many were prepared to avoid criticisng the club and keep delaying it by saying "We'll bring some in soon", "I have faith in the club after last year" etc, but it's clear that we've been grossly mismanaged and the warning signs have been there long before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Tending to agree with it. We missed a real opportunity here to keep the momentum and take the league by storm. I guess we still could but looking at the lads it looks a bit dire(imo). They don't look as happy playing. They don't sprint out of the tunnel like they did last season. The whole club just feels off at the moment. they don't sprint out the tunnel any more ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 An example of what it means is Little. Clearly not 100% match fit at the moment - how could he be. Our squad should enable us to work him in slowly at a sensible pace. We do not have that option, and it is harsh on him. Clearly, thin lines at the moment, but mood music seems all wrong, and momentum from last season as good as gone. Still hope and think we are good enough to be mid table, but confidence is worth a lot at any level. That must be just starting to drain out a little, then it will be a case of hanging on to our better players. Not panicking,but yes, worried. Nothing yet something a couple of wins would not put right, but it this window has been shameful, and not really sure myself where responsibility for that sits. Agreed, Little was like a fridge on legs today, clearly not even remotely fit and should have never been on the pitch. Fair play to him for playing through it but he played 58 minutes too many today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How grossly we've been mismanaged off the pitch over the summer window. By far the worst summer transfer window we've ever had as a club, at least in my memory, and it has completely destroyed the momentum we had going for us last season. We've let important players leave and as of today, have only signed one player on a permanent transfer. One! Of the three players we have brought in, two are back-up loan signings. It's just so hard to take in how wrong the club has got it. The players we do have are very talented, but we have no squad. It's pathetic how we can be in such a state at this stage of the season. A squad that is far weaker than the collective group that we had last season. With just days remaining of the transfer window and we need 4 or 5 signings. Such a waste of an opportunity this year. It's incredibly frustrating to witness as a City fan.boring, we all know club could have done better so lets hope we have a busy few days and all move on!!! Unacceptable is a bit dramatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Cotts has been massively let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubStixx Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Whatever way you look at it, we've cocked up our transfers. Such a waste after getting promoted so early. Hopefully lessons have been learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Would mismanagement not be playing two or three players 'QPR' money and the rest of the squad resenting this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 boring, we all know club could have done better so lets hope we have a busy few days and all move on!!! Unacceptable is a bit dramatic It's just delusional to keep saying things like this. I've had people respond this way numerous times over the summer but nothing is actually changing. I'd absolutely love for us to bring in the 4 (minimum) good signings we need within the next few days. But it isn't going to happen. We are in a very bad state. It's like everyone at the club has fallen asleep. I don't understand it, it's difficult to fathom what their thought process was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 It's just delusional to keep saying things like this. I've had people respond this way numerous times over the summer but nothing is actually changing. I'd absolutely love for us to bring in the 4 (minimum) good signings we need within the next few days. But it isn't going to happen. We are in a very bad state. It's like everyone at the club has fallen asleep. I don't understand it, it's difficult to fathom what their thought process was.bcfc Jordan to win Oscar for best dramatic post on otib. I get your frustration but put more faith in the management team who got us here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How grossly we've been mismanaged off the pitch over the summer window. By far the worst summer transfer window we've ever had as a club, at least in my memory, and it has completely destroyed the momentum we had going for us last season. We've let important players leave and as of today, have only signed one player on a permanent transfer. One! Of the three players we have brought in, two are back-up loan signings. It's just so hard to take in how wrong the club has got it. The players we do have are very talented, but we have no squad. It's pathetic how we can be in such a state at this stage of the season. A squad that is far weaker than the collective group that we had last season. With just days remaining of the transfer window and we need 4 or 5 signings. Such a waste of an opportunity this year. It's incredibly frustrating to witness as a City fan. Absolutely 100% agree. Up until about 3 or 4 weeks ago, I thought it was just bad luck. Now I just put it down to sheer incompetence. I don't know who is at fault....board, manager, etc....What I do know is that being at this point in the season,and only having an 18 man squad...is gross incompetence. Why have two of these signings already left? why did we let 3 senior, experienced players leave....if we had no intention of signing anyone . This squad as a collective is weaker then last season. If wages are the issue....why have we spent the last 3 months chasing players who were never going to sign for us. I know for a fact Konchesky wanted to come....but we wouldn't pay the money. I'm not one of these that will keep happy clapping just because of last season. Was a brilliant season but that's gone. What is it with this club, that as soon as we get in this league...we just start to look like complete amateurs!? This squad are performing at their peak. They cannot do any better then they have been doing. We need 4 players asap....otherwise I genuinely believe we will be in big trouble this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Cotts has been massively let down. In what way Super ? What do you know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Would mismanagement not be playing two or three players 'QPR' money and the rest of the squad resenting this? Nobody's demanding the club spends stupid money (but it is worth noting it's the club that has been making big offers for players that have no interest in joining us). Mismanagement is making one permanent transfer and letting about 6/7 players leave from a squad that was already known to be paper thin. We knew we were up in April and it's now August 29th. There simply aren't any excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 It's just delusional to keep saying things like this. I've had people respond this way numerous times over the summer but nothing is actually changing. I'd absolutely love for us to bring in the 4 (minimum) good signings we need within the next few days. But it isn't going to happen. We are in a very bad state. It's like everyone at the club has fallen asleep. I don't understand it, it's difficult to fathom what their thought process was. The really worrying thing is that cotts mentioned on radio Bristol that he doesn't realistically expect us to sign anyone by Tuesday!!! The whole thing is a gigantic cock up which ever way the happy clappers dress it up... Momentum is lost!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 In what way Super ? What do you know ? Quite. If Cotts has been told 'here is your budget and what we can afford' and he is basically not happy with it, then, shocking. If Cotts genuinely believed he was going to get more support than he has, then, shocking. If there has actually been a breakdown in communication as to which one it is, then, shocking. What option have I missed? Of five players that came in, two have already left! It is farcical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Feel sorry for SC. He identified a centre forward and centre half needed as todays performance proves . No point whatsoever putting in bids of 6 million plus if no intention of paying the going rate for a player demanding that fee .... Un genuine bid and pointless exercise in false hope and media hype to excite city fans. Totally shambolic !!!!!!! No I don't feel sorry for him. He isn't stupid. He knows what the wage structure is...and he would have known players like Konchesky, Gray etc...would have been out of our reach. He should have downgraded his expectations a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 No I don't feel sorry for him. He isn't stupid. He knows what the wage structure is...and he would have known players like Konchesky, Gray etc...would have been out of our reach. He should have downgraded his expectations a long time ago. We're always gonna be a league 1, champ yoyo side, that's plainly clear to us all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Feel sorry for SC. He identified a centre forward and centre half needed as todays performance proves . No point whatsoever putting in bids of 6 million plus if no intention of paying the going rate for a player demanding that fee .... Un genuine bid and pointless exercise in false hope and media hype to excite city fans. Totally shambolic !!!!!!! Feel sorry for him ??????? What's the inside track then ? He's been promised money / budget and ? What ? It's been withdrawn ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Been patient up to now but with Fredericks going and us unable to fill the bench today it's getting absolutely ridiculous. Yes we have some talented players but we have no squad. Something isn't right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 If he knew RF was going last night, he could have named a youngster on the bench. Another message to the board from SC only naming 6 subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 If he knew RF was going last night, he could have named a youngster on the bench. Another message to the board from SC only naming 6 subs. isn't cotts just doing what Jose did at Chelsea by taking of terry other week,sending a message upstairs,and even Chelsea don't always get what they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Would mismanagement not be playing two or three players 'QPR' money and the rest of the squad resenting this? I think that is the crux of it all, if we bring in 2-3 players and pay them 20k a week, how are the rest of the squad going to feel if they are getting under half of that amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I think it is all gonna come down to the last day of the window. I just cannot see us not getting in a few. Cuz we might well go down if we don't at least get loan players in. Our first team are better than half a dozen teams in this league for sure. But we surely won't be so lucky with injuries this season as we were last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Feel sorry for him ??????? What's the inside track then ? He's been promised money / budget and ? What ? It's been withdrawn ? Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoeAman08 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 they don't sprint out the tunnel any more ? Well then there goes that theory!! They still don't look right to me despite that though. Still playing well for the most part but I just get a weird vibe. Told my misses when they got that first corner that it would be just like us so far this season to concede here. We've been at them for nearly 40 minutes but the goal felt inevitable. Communication doesn't seem to be there as it was last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Feel sorry for him ??????? What's the inside track then ? He's been promised money / budget and ? What ? It's been withdrawn ? That's still only half the question. If withdrawn, why? Is it perhaps the budget was there but the board expected better targets and so wouldn't sanction some of the moves; in which case it's much less sinister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 bcfc Jordan to win Oscar for best dramatic post on otib. I get your frustration but put more faith in the management team who got us here How much longer do we "keep the faith"? They aren't showing us anything to be hopeful about. This transfer window has been an embarrassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Perhaps the message that needs to be sent is one to our fans so they understand the financial facts of life we have to live with in this division. Cotterill has tried that and got criticised for moaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Well then there goes that theory!! They still don't look right to me despite that though. Still playing well for the most part but I just get a weird vibe. Told my misses when they got that first corner that it would be just like us so far this season to concede here. We've been at them for nearly 40 minutes but the goal felt inevitable. Communication doesn't seem to be there as it was last season. think we all had that vibe to be fair mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I personally see this as a rather successful window as apart from last season we usually waste a shit load of cash on crap journeymen who we will never being able to move on unless we pay up their contract. We have none of those worries this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How much longer do we "keep the faith"? They aren't showing us anything to be hopeful about. This transfer window has been an embarrassment Frankly it amazes me that there are still any happy clappers left. It was pretty obvious to many in early July that there was a problem in the transfer market, but those of us who voiced any concern were derided by those who believed the inaction was all part of a Cotterill masterplan. As the weeks have gone on, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, has happened to suggest that the transfer window hasn't been a complete and unmitigated disaster. We ended last season as a club on an upward trajectory, but who could have expected us to be in the present mess? You just need to look at Cotterill's career to see that this had happened before. He has a track record of short-term success, followed by falling out and departure. I'm amazed that Lansdown would trust him to spend any money at the moment - frankly, his radio interviews have been as embarrassing as O'Driscoll's and give absolutely no confidence that the man knows what he is doing. Cotterill's team worked wonders last season, but if he isn't the man to take us forward, then so be it. I'll tell you where I stand: I don't think Cotterill will be in the manager's seat at the end of the season, and possibly not at Christmas. He needs to pull a few master strokes in the next two or three weeks if he is to redeem himself. Just my opinion, you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Frankly it amazes me that there are still any happy clappers left. It was pretty obvious to many in early July that there was a problem in the transfer market, but those of us who voiced any concern were derided by those who believed the inaction was all part of a Cotterill masterplan. As the weeks have gone on, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, has happened to suggest that the transfer window hasn't been a complete and unmitigated disaster. We ended last season as a club on an upward trajectory, but who could have expected us to be in the present mess? You just need to look at Cotterill's career to see that this had happened before. He has a track record of short-term success, followed by falling out and departure. I'm amazed that Lansdown would trust him to spend any money at the moment - frankly, his radio interviews have been as embarrassing as O'Driscoll's and give absolutely no confidence that the man knows what he is doing. Cotterill's team worked wonders last season, but if he isn't the man to take us forward, then so be it. I'll tell you where I stand: I don't think Cotterill will be in the manager's seat at the end of the season, and possibly not at Christmas. He needs to pull a few master strokes in the next two or three weeks if he is to redeem himself. Just my opinion, you understand. how about watch the game live,happy clapper I am not,but that is just completely nonsense,my opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rocky Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I personally see this as a rather successful window as apart from last season we usually waste a shit load of cash on crap journeymen who we will never being able to move on unless we pay up their contract. We have none of those worries this summer What planet are you on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I think that is the crux of it all, if we bring in 2-3 players and pay them 20k a week, how are the rest of the squad going to feel if they are getting under half of that amount. Even if we don't sign anybody after all that's been said it might occur to some of our better players that they could easily earn more elsewhere. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 If we bring in players now and pay them 20k plus,then we are a shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 how about watch the game live,happy clapper I am not,but that is just completely nonsense,my opinion of course We'll see mate, we'll see, but I don't think that I'm the only one who is genuinely afraid that Cotterill may presently be the problem, not the answer. My loyalty is to BCFC, as it always has been, and not to any particular manager. I believe we have an opportunity to progress that we might not see again in my lifetime, and it may be in danger of being blown by someone looking increasingly out of his depth. I would dearly love to be proved wrong, so I hope you're right. However, if this club starts going backwards again, in the present financial climate it may be very difficult to ever get an opportunity like the one we had at the start of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I'm glad we haven't panic bought anyone but I said before the first game we had 4 weeks left and would admit there was a problem on August 31st of we hadn't signed anyone else. That's looking likely so this window has been a bit of a failure so far. So it comes down to opinion. Would rather we bring in a few players that don't fit with what we want and be locked into 3,4 or 5 year deals? Or take the chance to play well with what we've got and have that flexibility in future windows? I think I like the financial flexibility as I think this squad could finish around 12th with good luck in terms of injuries and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How grossly we've been mismanaged off the pitch over the summer window. By far the worst summer transfer window we've ever had as a club, at least in my memory, and it has completely destroyed the momentum we had going for us last season. We've let important players leave and as of today, have only signed one player on a permanent transfer. One! Of the three players we have brought in, two are back-up loan signings. It's just so hard to take in how wrong the club has got it. The players we do have are very talented, but we have no squad. It's pathetic how we can be in such a state at this stage of the season. A squad that is far weaker than the collective group that we had last season. With just days remaining of the transfer window and we need 4 or 5 signings. Such a waste of an opportunity this year. It's incredibly frustrating to witness as a City fan. Is the word ***** still used these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall King Blox Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 P.R.I.C.K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 We'll see mate, we'll see, but I don't think that I'm the only one who is genuinely afraid that Cotterill may presently be the problem, not the answer. My loyalty is to BCFC, as it always has been, and not to any particular manager. I believe we have an opportunity to progress that we might not see again in my lifetime, and it may be in danger of being blown by someone looking increasingly out of his depth. I would dearly love to be proved wrong, so I hope you're right. However, if this club starts going backwards again, in the present financial climate it may be very difficult to ever get an opportunity like the one we had at the start of this season. I agree with everything your saying but maybe the chairman is looking out of his depth instead of the manager,he can only ask for players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Nice insightful contribution there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprocket Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Not another moaning thread,FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How much longer do we "keep the faith"? They aren't showing us anything to be hopeful about. This transfer window has been an embarrassmentafter last season where nearly everything went right, 4 months later when things don't go to plan, you go back to Last season and believe that they deserve the chance to put things right. Cheer up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Sprockets moaning again I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 SL & SC have no control over external factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 SL & SC have no control over external factors. Sorry, what does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 There are questions to be answered, as to how we find ourselves in a position where we are unable to name 7 substitutes, especially when we are bidding vast sums for players. A few years ago it was quoted that we wanted to trim our squad to 24, well we seem to have more than achieved that. The SC interview on our website, states we may sign one, yes one loan player on Monday or Tuesday. Last seasons momentum has been allowed to ebb away, it now appears we are gambling our championship status on a wafer thin squad, not because of the quality of our current squad, but because it is unlikely they will all stay fit. Hopefully will be lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hortonred Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How grossly we've been mismanaged off the pitch over the summer window. By far the worst summer transfer window we've ever had as a club, at least in my memory, and it has completely destroyed the momentum we had going for us last season. We've let important players leave and as of today, have only signed one player on a permanent transfer. One! Of the three players we have brought in, two are back-up loan signings. It's just so hard to take in how wrong the club has got it. The players we do have are very talented, but we have no squad. It's pathetic how we can be in such a state at this stage of the season. A squad that is far weaker than the collective group that we had last season. With just days remaining of the transfer window and we need 4 or 5 signings. Such a waste of an opportunity this year. It's incredibly frustrating to witness as a City fan. The transfer window has been and continues to be a disaster.All the brilliant work and planning for last season and the deserved success has been week by week being dismantled by the seemingly ill thought through transfer activity.It will probably not happen but I would like to know what the club's strategy has been. The comments by SC that he is astonished by the financial demands of this division seem hard to believe from such an experienced Manager and Burt has also a great deal of experience with Forest. Did they have no idea of what Lansdown was prepared to pay and if this was the cause of the problem why not lower their sights instead of trying to sign Gray.And news today of Fredericks being sold just about sums it all up.Many fans saying good he was not fit or no good then why her hell did SC sign him.I just cannot understand how from such a position of strength we have come to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Its frustrating because if we had gone for realistic targets (best from the lower leagues and maybe another foreigner or two) and got them in early like last preseason I honestly think we would have got a playoff place. It's always good to bring in fresh faces and have competition for places but we just haven't got enough of either at the moment. All the negativity off the pitch is bound to effect the lads on the pitch as well and think it has to be honest. I know it's early days but think we are in for a relegation dog fight (hope I am proved horribly wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 its forcing us to play with undercooked players and leaving us optionless we've done amazingly to get 4 points at this stage and in fact are playing well imagine if we had a good window... new another 4 players; a target man, a defensive midfielder, a left back and a center back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Sorry, what does that mean? If another club comes in with a better offer, or the player decides to go somewhere else, or the parent club decides not to sell after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 What planet are you on? Obviously not the same one as you as the one I came from there is a thing called humour and taking the piss which is obviously not something you understand on your planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Its frustrating because if we had gone for realistic targets (best from the lower leagues and maybe another foreigner or two) and got them in early like last preseason I honestly think we would have got a playoff place. It's always good to bring in fresh faces and have competition for places but we just haven't got enough of either at the moment.All the negativity off the pitch is bound to effect the lads on the pitch as well and think it has to be honest. I know it's early days but think we are in for a relegation dog fight (hope I am proved horribly wrong).I tend to agree and had same expectation, 2 or 3 quality signings to add to the group we had last season bought in early to gel with the team (as per last season) and we could have been right up there challenging for a play-off spot. As it happens the reality is that we are looking at a battle to keep out of the relegation dog-fight.Don't understand at all why we didn't move to sign Tavernier as we knew Little would take time to get fit. He was ready-made to fill the RWB role, no surprise to see him doing fantastically well at Rangers. Equally there were and still are some good options available in league 1 who would improve the SQUAD and easily fit into our wage structure, e.g. Bryne & Morsey.I am glad we have not bought in journeymen players wanting big buck salaries, but equally our targets don't seem to have been realistic as the likes of Gayle & Grey were always going to want pay that would blow our wage structure and then quite possibly lead to unrest.Through loans we have the chance to right some of the damage, let's hope we can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's unacceptable to complain after we've just had the best season in 50+ years, the best season in my lifetime. The club deserve to be cut a break, they may have *****d up but they've done so much, we'll recover with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's unacceptable to complain after we've just had the best season in 50+ years, the best season in my lifetime. The club deserve to be cut a break, they may have *****d up but they've done so much, we'll recover with time. That's not the attitude of a club that's going to be successful anytime soon.. Football moves quickly, you have to be ruthless. Dwelling on last season is a bit pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That's not the attitude of a club that's going to be successful anytime soon.. Football moves quickly, you have to be ruthless. Dwelling on last season is a bit pointless. I don't disagree with you at all, but to slate them when we have no say in why happens is pointless. We need to change, I know, but I'm not going to be negative towards the club, it doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Frankly it amazes me that there are still any happy clappers left. It was pretty obvious to many in early July that there was a problem in the transfer market, but those of us who voiced any concern were derided by those who believed the inaction was all part of a Cotterill masterplan. As the weeks have gone on, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, has happened to suggest that the transfer window hasn't been a complete and unmitigated disaster. We ended last season as a club on an upward trajectory, but who could have expected us to be in the present mess? You just need to look at Cotterill's career to see that this had happened before. He has a track record of short-term success, followed by falling out and departure. I'm amazed that Lansdown would trust him to spend any money at the moment - frankly, his radio interviews have been as embarrassing as O'Driscoll's and give absolutely no confidence that the man knows what he is doing. Cotterill's team worked wonders last season, but if he isn't the man to take us forward, then so be it. I'll tell you where I stand: I don't think Cotterill will be in the manager's seat at the end of the season, and possibly not at Christmas. He needs to pull a few master strokes in the next two or three weeks if he is to redeem himself. Just my opinion, you understand. You forgot the sky is falling in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 From the outside looking in, I think the club have been pretty naive. At the start of the window, it was disbelief at the prices of players. Then after a month of that, we were then shocked at the wage demands. It really shouldn't have been. I seem to remember at the end of last season when we a shoe in for promotion, that they were planning for life in the championship. This is a big money league now. If this is the league we wish to compete in, we have to compete on every level. I just don't think a recruitment policy of, player under 24 with a resale value is going to work. You are not always going to unearth that lower league diamond. If you want, proven championship players, you are going to have to pay the going rate. We lost momentum early on in this window. If the money we were prepared to pay now, we were prepared to pay in June, I think the squad would look different. I have said it before, this league has changed so much, since we were last in it. We needed to find our feet and fast. This didn't happen, which makes this next week or two incredibly important. I hope we have sat back, assessed where we are, identified targets, and be ruthless in our acquisition. This is the persona we need to adopt going forward. Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT BCFC Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 When you look at Swansea City a club smaller than ourselves and see where they are now you have to think why can't we follow their philosophy. They didn't spend big when they were in the championship but were patient, gave youth a chance and got the right players in for the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 When you look at Swansea City a club smaller than ourselves and see where they are now you have to think why can't we follow their philosophy. They didn't spend big when they were in the championship but were patient, gave youth a chance and got the right players in for the right price. This kind of illustrates my point a little. When Swansea were last in this league, there wasn't the kind of money there is today. With relegated PL teams, and their parachute money, the Championship is a wash with money. I don't think we can complain about it. It's the reality of this league today. We have to rethink our finances. In order to secure the services of players in this league, we will need to. Any ambition to play at a higher level has associated costs. We absolutely have to be prepared to pay them. I don't think it's helpful to complain about transfer fees and players wages. It makes us look "small time" and out of our depth. Its not a good image to portray when recruiting. Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willitonciderhead Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 You can't argue that the squad is very lean on numbers and signings needs to be made. You also can't argue the fact that over the years City have signed some complete shockers and we have paid the price, both on and off the field. When we were in division one the club could afford to pick up some of the cream players before the start of the season and get the squad together during pre- season. Such as Freeman. The Championship is a whole different ball game and the money required to get the cream of the championship is way beyond us 'at the moment'. So a club such as city has to wait for the cascade affect in the hope that some quality players do not get sucked up by all the bigger bugdeted clubs. This means it is a wait and see game and unfortunately it hasn't worked out so far. On another day it could have worked for us and one or two quatlity players may not have been signed? Does this mean Cotts is out of his depth, no I don't think so. Does it mean Cotts is fustrated, yes. Does it mean the club should have paid silly money, no because that could create a whole world of trouble come the end of the season. Loan signings are not the end of the world, aka Watford. My hopes are that it gets sorted in the next weeks or so and we can then just get on with adapting to the championship. Just saying like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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