Bristol Sport - why the criticism?

[Port Said Red]

Some people want the club to remain their own private property and would be happy for us to be a bigger fish in a very small pond. Any success is frightening because it will attract interest from new people who don't share the history of the club, and it will water down that feeling of belonging to something, a parochial and insular feeling in my opinion but one that is sort of reassuring. Whilst I can understand that aspect to a certain extent, what I don't understand is why a new approach that should help financial stability is so frowned upon, it's not like the old structure brought us a huge amount of success apart from 4/5 years in the 70's and occasional blips in mediocrity since, we have been incredibly average. 

There are two ways things can go forward as a rule, you can be forced to change (be reactive) by events outside your control. or you can make changes to preempt (be proactive) those events. I am glad that SL has decided to go down the second route, I could argue that it should have been started 5 years earlier, but I guess some of the timing has been affected by the Ashton Vale debacle and better late than never still applies.

[Three Lions]

Spoons fans of Bristol City laughed at cardiff for taking a people who pay the bills can call it what they want attitude. Aim higher than that. Fans also pay the bills nothing wrong with fans having a bit of say.

[Spoons]

Spoons fans of Bristol City laughed at cardiff for taking a people who pay the bills can call it what they want attitude. Aim higher than that. Fans also pay the bills nothing wrong with fans having a bit of say.

agreed with a bit of a say, but from what you and others say you want way to much of a say. Please don't compare Steve lansdown / Bristol sport to Vincent tan that is just laughable.

 

 

 

[Three Lions]

Spoons your attitude is being compared to that of fans at Cardiff. As long as somebody pours money in and the brand ##!!! wins nothing else matters. Check your posts they are at times saying fans should shut up, That isnt a club that Cardiff. Cant see any posts here saying fans want to run the club. If fans dont like something they should be able to say so and thankfully many do instead of dont like it dont come.

[Spoons]

Spoons your attitude is being compared to that of fans at Cardiff. As long as somebody pours money in and the brand ##!!! wins nothing else matters. Check your posts they are at times saying fans should shut up, That isnt a club that Cardiff. Cant see any posts here saying fans want to run the club. If fans dont like something they should be able to say so and thankfully many do instead of dont like it dont come.

you got me wrong. The point we disagree is how much 'fan power ' is needed in the running of a club. I would never stand by and watch what happened to Cardiff happen to Bristol city. And to suggest that I would do that is pretty uneducated really. Still we move on, I'm over it. Agree to disagree I think

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Three Lions]

No spoons your posts have said dont like it dont come. Others are not saying fans should picj the team make signings sack the manager do interviews but are saying fans should be involved in deciding what the culture and identity of Bristol City will be instead of Bristol Sport who are not fans of Bristol City. That is very different thing.

[Lack of Action Man]

There are a number of frustrating posts on here so I'll try to interject and explain what/ how I think Bristol Spot is benefical. 

 

Say you you are a business owner with no real interest in any of then inividual teams under the Bristol Sport umbrella. Are you likely to endorse the football club or the rugby club to the sum of tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of pounds in sponsorship fees? 

On the one hand we have a football team that has never won a major UK honor and has spent the majority of its life languishing in the lower leagues. On the other we have a formerly succesful but perennially underachieving rugby club. Do either of these sound enticing (take off the rose tinted specs chaps)? The answer is obviously no. 

However, if you were approached by an organisation that represented a football team, a rugby team, a women's football team that have played in the champions league, a young aspiring motor racing formula driver, and a developing UK basketball team for endorsements, you don't have to be an unclear engineer to see that there is increased potential for exposure to a variety of target audiences. Whilst ultimately combining the endorsement combines the money involved the prospect becomes a lot more marketable to potential suitors. Suddenly history or legacy doesn't become an important factor - it's all about marketability (I hope that's a real word...). 

 

In my eyes its all about spin: Bristol sport is a way to maximise the off the field opportunities and development of all of the identities under its hood, not to squash them. By increasing awareness of the Bristol sport umbrella, the identities within it can only flourish? Increased revenue, improved facilities, local partnerships developing into regional partnerships and hopefully growing into national partnerships. 

 

Have faith, and if I'm wrong then ill eat my season ticket.

[WTMS]

There are a number of frustrating posts on here so I'll try to interject and explain what/ how I think Bristol Spot is benefical. 

 

Say you you are a business owner with no real interest in any of then inividual teams under the Bristol Sport umbrella. Are you likely to endorse the football club or the rugby club to the sum of tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of pounds in sponsorship fees? 

On the one hand we have a football team that has never won a major UK honor and has spent the majority of its life languishing in the lower leagues. On the other we have a formerly succesful but perennially underachieving rugby club. Do either of these sound enticing (take off the rose tinted specs chaps)? The answer is obviously no. 

However, if you were approached by an organisation that represented a football team, a rugby team, a women's football team that have played in the champions league, a young aspiring motor racing formula driver, and a developing UK basketball team for endorsements, you don't have to be an unclear engineer to see that there is increased potential for exposure to a variety of target audiences. Whilst ultimately combining the endorsement combines the money involved the prospect becomes a lot more marketable to potential suitors. Suddenly history or legacy doesn't become an important factor - it's all about marketability (I hope that's a real word...). 

 

In my eyes its all about spin: Bristol sport is a way to maximise the off the field opportunities and development of all of the identities under its hood, not to squash them. By increasing awareness of the Bristol sport umbrella, the identities within it can only flourish? Increased revenue, improved facilities, local partnerships developing into regional partnerships and hopefully growing into national partnerships. 

 

Have faith, and if I'm wrong then ill eat my season ticket.

The following is a quote left on Bristol Sports website and it displays a frustration - Bristol Sport can do better than this. Bristol Sport should be unique rather than just another bland corporate entity.

 Its is easy to be bland and corporate. Virtually every club in the UK now is.

A frustration is that Bristol Sport can be a opportunity to also preserve the identity of Bristol City, and improve it.

Those who have met Bristol Sport face to face are experiencing something new. Read the Supporters Trust members [Milo] post. A perception of Bristol Sport is that they view the identity, the traditions of Bristol City as something that has to be toned down because they are damaged, or almost offensive to those who will in future use what Bristol City club once owned i.e. Ashton Gate.

Ashton Gate should be a celebration of Bristol City football club, but it is Bristol Sport not the fans who have inhabited Ashton Gate, and who are the reasons for its existence who interpret and decide what is acceptable.

Bristol Sport x Fans can prevent Ashton Gate becoming another bland souless stadium. Bristol Sport on their own are highly likely to alter Bristol City into bland, generic, soulless ...

Bristol Sport x Fans perhaps could create a Ashton Gate and a unique positive supporting culture that befits "our" club. To do this Bristol Sport has to become less opaque, and allow fans the opportunity to highlight how pushing the culture and identity of the FC to the fore is beneficial, fun, and something to be proud off.. 

[Spoons]

The following is a quote left on Bristol Sports website and it displays a frustration - Bristol Sport can do better than this. Bristol Sport should be unique rather than just another bland corporate entity.

 Its is easy to be bland and corporate. Virtually every club in the UK now is.

A frustration is that Bristol Sport can be a opportunity to also preserve the identity of Bristol City, and improve it.

Those who have met Bristol Sport face to face are experiencing something new. Read the Supporters Trust members [Milo] post. A perception of Bristol Sport is that they view the identity, the traditions of Bristol City as something that has to be toned down because they are damaged, or almost offensive to those who will in future use what Bristol City club once owned i.e. Ashton Gate.

Ashton Gate should be a celebration of Bristol City football club, but it is Bristol Sport not the fans who have inhabited Ashton Gate, and who are the reasons for its existence who interpret and decide what is acceptable.

Bristol Sport x Fans can prevent Ashton Gate becoming another bland souless stadium. Bristol Sport on their own are highly likely to alter Bristol City into bland, generic, soulless ...

Bristol Sport x Fans perhaps could create a Ashton Gate and a unique positive supporting culture that befits "our" club. To do this Bristol Sport has to become less opaque, and allow fans the opportunity to highlight how pushing the culture and identity of the FC to the fore is beneficial, fun, and something to be proud off.. 

You sound like one of life's over thinkers!!!! Do you have any room to enjoy the football or are you constantly on the anti Bristol sport band wagon? All seriousness I understand your post but your worries are over the top and a bit dramatic!! Life is to short.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

Bristol Sport x Fans can prevent Ashton Gate becoming another bland souless stadium. Bristol Sport on their own are highly likely to alter Bristol City into bland, generic, soulless ...

Bristol Sport x Fans perhaps could create a Ashton Gate and a unique positive supporting culture that befits "our" club. To do this Bristol Sport has to become less opaque, and allow fans the opportunity to highlight how pushing the culture and identity of the FC to the fore is beneficial, fun, and something to be proud off.. 

I have to pick up on this but if more could be done what do you suggest?

Bristol Sport has engaged far more on AG than we could have hoped. There may be aspects where they have not implemented the advice - away fans' positioning for example - but to suggest they may be in danger of turning AG bland or generic is nonsense.

The Ateyo for a start was all set to become very soulful. If this has been tapered blame the fans - the ones who kicked up a fuss because the first home game of the season (reasonably a party atmosphere) was enough to decide that flags are evil, or the ones that resorted to kicking a fan in the head, or the ones who encroached on the field v Leeds. Looking towards the Dolman where we have market street, the South Stand will have plenty of soulful features whilst maintaining practicalities of a modern stadium and the Williams is yet to go up. And before a brick was laid look at what they attempted to do re safe standing.

Bristol Sport can prevent AG becoming soulless and in my opinion thus far has achieved that about as best as we could have reasonably hoped.

 

 

[Linkedarm wall]

Bristol Sport - why the criticism? Maybe because it has a feel of us merging with another club, without actually merging with another club.

[Robin1988]

When I first started coming to Ashton Gate, around the turn of the millennium there was to be no home fans in the same stand as the away fans, certainly no provision for waving large flags, nowhere to openly stand during a game and no chance of a designated unreserved singing area.

How exactly has Ashton Gate become a more 'soulless', 'bland' place or Bristol City's traditions 'toned down' with the introduction of the above?

I agree with a lot of what you say @WTMS_BCFC but you aren't half a prima donna about it sometimes.

[Spoons]

Bristol Sport - why the criticism? Maybe because it has a feel of us merging with another club, without actually merging with another club.

merge with who??? Bristol rugby !

 

 

 

[WTMS]

I have to pick up on this but if more could be done what do you suggest?

Bristol Sport has engaged far more on AG than we could have hoped. There may be aspects where they have not implemented the advice - away fans' positioning for example - but to suggest they may be in danger of turning AG bland or generic is nonsense.

The Ateyo for a start was all set to become very soulful. If this has been tapered blame the fans - the ones who kicked up a fuss because the first home game of the season (reasonably a party atmosphere) was enough to decide that flags are evil, or the ones that resorted to kicking a fan in the head, or the ones who encroached on the field v Leeds. Looking towards the Dolman where we have market street, the South Stand will have plenty of soulful features whilst maintaining practicalities of a modern stadium and the Williams is yet to go up. And before a brick was laid look at what they attempted to do re safe standing.

Bristol Sport can prevent AG becoming soulless and in my opinion thus far has achieved that about as best as we could have reasonably hoped.

 

 

If more could be done ... Simply being open and clear is an improvement.

There have been consultations - meetings and basic information whether that be renders information on unreserved seating - Safety advisory group advice regarding 5-10% reductions in capacity, rakes of stands being dangerous was not been made available to fans for months - Years. That started in 2013 with the FC and then Bristol Sport.

The Atyeo unreserved section / singing section is not part of a thorough consultation. It was not even a consideration for eighteen months. It is not an example of good practice, it is an example of poor practice. The supporters Trust may want to fill in here what has recently been discussed and what may be occurring in future. 

Bristol Sport when asked in person have were not able to explain why Bristol Sport has to be so evident, what their vision was for the more vocal elements of the FC's support was and how consultation would work in future - The Atyeo was not mentioned.

Bristol Sport can turn Ashton Gate into another soulless stadium at any time. What was mooted was creating a shared vision. Creating those shared visions in the case of the Atyeo - Dolman will be made ever more difficult if fans are not to the fore of thinking - Away fans position, long terms and looking at Bristol Sports view of the culture of an element of fans. What fans are doing now scrapes the surface. So much more could be achieved if Bristol Sport re-examined the view that imagery has to be temporary. No. Be proud of being Bristol City. Play it up. Let everybody know this is still the home of Bristol City FC .That is a vision. 

[WTMS]

You sound like one of life's over thinkers!!!! Do you have any room to enjoy the football or are you constantly on the anti Bristol sport band wagon? All seriousness I understand your post but your worries are over the top and a bit dramatic!! Life is to short.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Life is short. So are seasons in football. Within the earlier post it mentioned fun. Playing up City's tradition with clothing, creating links with other fans, flags former stands, murals, silly songs, stickers, street celebrations and much more are fun. It might be able to improve upon that by at times thinking more e.g. Is there still a place for it, and how to improve further. .   

[Monkeh]

Openness works both ways  

Like when you failed to produce the email stating that all flags were to be banned that turned out to be complete horse shit just to suit your agenda

[WTMS]

Openness works both ways  

Like when you failed to produce the email stating that all flags were to be banned that turned out to be complete horse shit just to suit your agenda

The e mail was shared. It was also ran past mods of forums.

What would be more interesting would be to look at how similar confusion will be avoided in future. 

[Guest]

If more could be done ... Simply being open and clear is an improvement.

Open: fine but I personally don't feel there have been unreasonable instances of information being withheld

Clear: I can't say I personally feel I have been misled.

There have been consultations - meetings and basic information whether that be renders information on unreserved seating - Safety advisory group advice regarding 5-10% reductions in capacity, rakes of stands being dangerous was not been made available to fans for months - Years. That started in 2013 with the FC and then Bristol Sport.

With all due respect these examples seem trivial to my mind. If that's 'the best of the worst' I don't think it highlights the point that you want it to. If anything if that's the worst I'd say Bristol Sport probably did well all things considered.  

The Atyeo unreserved section / singing section is not part of a thorough consultation. It was not even a consideration for eighteen months. It is not an example of good practice, it is an example of poor practice. The supporters Trust may want to fill in here what has recently been discussed and what may be occurring in future. 

I'll allow the Supporters Trust to fill in, but may seems as if Bristol Sport have not dictated anything. Even if it's expected that they might I'd say you've got your finger on the trigger prematurely.
 

With respect to what happened before re getting an area, that Bristol Sport may not have pre-empted this may be a concern to you, but I'm far more interested in the outcome. The outcome was fans asked for this and without any untoward or unreasonable delays the fans got their area.  How this cannot example good service I do not understand. If nothing was put in place fine, and yes perhaps it should have been pre-empted, but no milk was spilt in the end so what is the problem?

Bristol Sport when asked in person have were not able to explain why Bristol Sport has to be so evident, what their vision was for the more vocal elements of the FC's support was and how consultation would work in future - The Atyeo was not mentioned.

Well I imagine, reasonably in my eyes, that roles, responsibilities and operations have not/were not set in stone. This isn't the bringing together of insubstantial entities, these are multi million pound turnover businesses which were capable of separate operation coming together under a new structure. I bet there is still some uncertainty about roles and remits and frankly for such a fundamental change in structure I hope that it is very fluid.

As Bristol Sport exists (in part) to secure the commercialisation of the clubs under its umbrella I think it pretty self explanatory why it needs a brand of its own.

Bristol Sport can turn Ashton Gate into another soulless stadium at any time. What was mooted was creating a shared vision. Creating those shared visions in the case of the Atyeo - Dolman will be made ever more difficult if fans are not to the fore of thinking - Away fans position, long terms and looking at Bristol Sports view of the culture of an element of fans. What fans are doing now scrapes the surface. So much more could be achieved if Bristol Sport re-examined the view that imagery has to be temporary. No. Be proud of being Bristol City. Play it up. Let everybody know this is still the home of Bristol City FC .That is a vision. 

Bristol Sport doesn't exist to serve Bristol City's purposes. I think this is simply something you need to come to terms with.

Just because Bristol Sport has not acquiesced to every fans' request does not mean its no 'shared vision'. On the point of 'shared' there will by necessity need to be compromise from both parties but it seems from your postings that unless Bristol Sport panders to all BCFC's fans' demands it is either superfluous or incompetent. Reading your post it is no shared vision you want, it's your own and nothing else will do  

 

 

[Port Said Red]

I have to pick up on this but if more could be done what do you suggest?

Bristol Sport has engaged far more on AG than we could have hoped. There may be aspects where they have not implemented the advice - away fans' positioning for example - but to suggest they may be in danger of turning AG bland or generic is nonsense.

The Ateyo for a start was all set to become very soulful. If this has been tapered blame the fans - the ones who kicked up a fuss because the first home game of the season (reasonably a party atmosphere) was enough to decide that flags are evil, or the ones that resorted to kicking a fan in the head, or the ones who encroached on the field v Leeds. Looking towards the Dolman where we have market street, the South Stand will have plenty of soulful features whilst maintaining practicalities of a modern stadium and the Williams is yet to go up. And before a brick was laid look at what they attempted to do re safe standing.

Bristol Sport can prevent AG becoming soulless and in my opinion thus far has achieved that about as best as we could have reasonably hoped.

 

 

Each instance of bad behaviour and violence is another nail in the coffin for those who are looking to add vibrancy and colour, it would be a shame if the hard work of those who are trying to do something different and make the match day entertaining was to be undone by the small minority who are taking advantage of the leeway given. I think if Bristol Sport were truly trying to undermine the efforts of WTMS and the rest then they have already been given some excuses to clampdown on that section further, the fact they haven't yet suggests they are doing their best to accommodate them.

[WTMS]

 

With all due respect these examples seem trivial to my mind. If that's 'the best of the worst' I don't think it highlights the point that you want it to. If anything if that's the worst I'd say Bristol Sport probably did well all things considered. 

The rest of your post will be responded to.

Fundamental detail like a rake being too acute and rendering standing to be prohibited for ever it renders fans ideas null and void. Fans were not privy to something as significant, or points about capacity reductions - Safety Advisory Groups etc.

The Supporters trust spent time accumulating ideas for the South stand and put them forward in a form of proposal. If the above detail and further had been revealed in the previous year the Supporters trust would have been in a more informed position to realise the proposal was virtually meaningless for the South stand. .

[Spoons]

The rest of your post will be responded to.

Fundamental detail like a rake being too acute and rendering standing to be prohibited for ever it renders fans ideas null and void. Fans were not privy to something as significant, or points about capacity reductions - Safety Advisory Groups etc.

The Supporters trust spent time accumulating ideas for the South stand and put them forward in a form of proposal. If the above detail and further had been revealed in the previous year the Supporters trust would have been in a more informed position to realise the proposal was virtually meaningless for the South stand. .

absolutely nothing wrong with the south stand. Its a good stand, looks good on tv and more importantly lots of leg room and a good view. I'm just glad that the 'rake' was to high to have unreserved seating in as it would have been embarrassing this season to have a nice new stand and all the problems that would have come with it from the idiots(minority) from the atyeo section. I mean you have £47 million spent on a stadium and still some people aren't happy. Joke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Phileas Fogg]

absolutely nothing wrong with the south stand. Its a good stand, looks good on tv and more importantly lots of leg room and a good view. I'm just glad that the 'rake' was to high to have unreserved seating in as it would have been embarrassing this season to have a nice new stand and all the problems that would have come with it from the idiots(minority) from the atyeo section. I mean you have £47 million spent on a stadium and still some people aren't happy. Joke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it's an opinions thing but I really don't like the design. It could be a lot worse but it's, in my opinion, bland and a wasted opportunity.

[Spoons]

it's an opinions thing but I really don't like the design. It could be a lot worse but it's, in my opinion, bland and a wasted opportunity.

I'm a dolman season ticket holder so took chance to try ss out at free rugby game, was impressed. Bland and wasted opportunity is harsh. Opinions' though will always be different. Still think ss will look and create more atmosphere when new Williams is complete. Think only then can it be judged?

 

 

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I'm a dolman season ticket holder so took chance to try ss out at free rugby game, was impressed. Bland and wasted opportunity is harsh. Opinions' though will always be different. Still think ss will look and create more atmosphere when new Williams is complete. Think only then can it be judged?

 

 

 

I agree with that, still very early days. I like the Williams design and will probably end up there if I can get in.

 

just felt we had a chance to create something really unique.

[Guest]

I agree with that, still very early days. I like the Williams design and will probably end up there if I can get in.

 

just felt we had a chance to create something really unique.

For sure we did, but then on the flip side if something is the norm there's probably a good reason for it. It (the SS) is a little generic of course but I think it was the Williams which was earmarked to stand out leaving the Dolman and South Stand to be more 'functional' if that makes sense.

[Spoons]

I agree with that, still very early days. I like the Williams design and will probably end up there if I can get in.

 

just felt we had a chance to create something really unique.

agreed with moving to new Williams, been in block e dolman since 1989. But the new Williams looks to nice not to move into, as long as we can get seats we want

[WTMS]

 

 

29AR it was difficult to quote your post but here goes ..

"I'll allow the Supporters Trust to fill in"..

Yes. It would result in more even discussion and thought.

With respect to what happened before re getting an area, that Bristol Sport may not have pre-empted this may be a concern to you, but I'm far more interested in the outcome. The outcome was fans asked for this and without any untoward or unreasonable delays the fans got their area.  How this cannot example good service I do not understand. If nothing was put in place fine, and yes perhaps it should have been pre-empted, but no milk was spilt in the end so what is the problem?

With respect there was no pro Atyeo lobby at consultations. It was presented out of the blue after eighteen months virtually as a fait accompli.

Well I imagine, reasonably in my eyes, that roles, responsibilities and operations have not/were not set in stone. This isn't the bringing together of insubstantial entities, these are multi million pound turnover businesses which were capable of separate operation coming together under a new structure. I bet there is still some uncertainty about roles and remits and frankly for such a fundamental change in structure I hope that it is very fluid.

With respect “I imagine” is not an answer. Any organisation will be able to explain basic branding strategy on merchandise. Bristol Sport were also asked specific questions regarding vocal support and if there were Supporters at other clubs that Bristol City fans should look towards – An attempt to establish standards and identify what Bristol Sport thought would be acceptable.

Just because Bristol Sport has not acquiesced to every fans' request does not mean its no 'shared vision'. On the point of 'shared' there will by necessity need to be compromise from both parties but it seems from your postings that unless Bristol Sport panders to all BCFC's fans' demands it is either superfluous or incompetent. Reading your post it is no shared vision you want, it's your own and nothing else will do.

With respect again groups of fans who inhabited areas away from “Singing sections ”have been asking questions over an extended period. These questions follow a consistent theme. Fans were attempting to establish middle ground at the consultation in the DEH for instance,questions came from fans who use the Dolman stand and the obvious theme was how to, how could "WE" create a more vibrant colourful BCFC?.

Regarding demands can you point to where fans have made any cogent demands at consultations and meetings? An opinion from those who attended regularly would be "They were none". 

Bristol Sport did ban flags with the words Ultra and loyal on them. It was unclear what standard was being applied. The ban has been lifted. A policy on flags has now been promised, this will clear up ambiguity in future. That represents a + point. 

There will be no great “ends” at Ashton Gate -  What would be beneficial would be to extend policy, create collective ideas [using ideas existing amongst fans], and turn them into visions with Bristol Sport to replace / re-interpret what was left of Bristol City terrace culture. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WTMS]

absolutely nothing wrong with the south stand. Its a good stand, looks good on tv and more importantly lots of leg room and a good view. I'm just glad that the 'rake' was to high to have unreserved seating in as it would have been embarrassing this season to have a nice new stand and all the problems that would have come with it from the idiots(minority) from the atyeo section. I mean you have £47 million spent on a stadium and still some people aren't happy. Joke

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A couple of people having a disagreement in the Atyeo stand pales into insignificance when considered against the hundreds who have invaded the pitch from other stands. 

Your point? You do not have one.

[Spoons]

A couple of people having a disagreement in the Atyeo stand pales into insignificance when considered against the hundreds who have invaded the pitch from other stands. 

Your point? You do not have one.

couple of people having a disagreement which seems to have rumbled on for the first 3 home games. Its embarrassing. As for running on the pitch in talking about this season. The only reason this didn't happen last season is because most of these 'fans' were to high up out the way in block e of Williams to get on pitch.

my point is I hope the club do not waste 1 minute longer with anyone from the atyeo as you had your chance and due to a minority you have blown it.

[WTMS]

couple of people having a disagreement which seems to have rumbled on for the first 3 home games. Its embarrassing. As for running on the pitch in talking about this season. The only reason this didn't happen last season is because most of these 'fans' were to high up out the way in block e of Williams to get on pitch.

my point is I hope the club do not waste 1 minute longer with anyone from the atyeo as you had your chance and due to a minority you have blown it.

To add balance the rule of spoons I'm not talking about that was ignored.

My point is I hope the club do not waste 1 minute longer with anyone from the atyeo as you had youir chance and due to a minority you have blown it ... Which you will not be articulating face to face, with fans who are prepared to go beyond the anonymity of the internet to promote positive support will you?