GrahamC Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I wish I understood the ultra complicated loan rules a bit better because that would give me a better indication of what exactly we can do there. If, as seems highly likely, we sign Bennett permanently, then I'd expect three more coming in this month, some on loan and others permanently. If the loan rules now mean that they can only sign for us for 93 days maximum, they'll probably not arrive for a couple of weeks in order to finish the season with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 11 hours ago, Robbored said: City had two bids accepted in the summer . Gayle and Grey. Neither agreed to sign for us. Its hardly "the boards" fault if player choose not to join us. I, and I'm sure many other otib users would like to know what other decent players that City attracted..... Wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 hours ago, fly in the air said: What are the exact dates the loans expire does anyone know pls. I know baker is a season loan. Bennett, Cox and Moore's current loans all end after tomorrow's game, Robinson is on a season's loan but the rumour is that he'll go back to Villa this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I'm hopeful that the Callum Robinson loan was a Youth Loan. He was 20 on 1/7/15 (dob 2/2/95) which qualifies him as a YL. If so, we can still make one permanent half season loan in this window....and then will need to wait til Feb fir the EL window to reopen (runs to mid March I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: I disagree. It's not the most important factor but it does add to the overall impression of a club, its ambition and stature. If City and Rovers were in the same division offering the same money, where would you rather play your football? if i was a crap player id go to rovers knowing the boos wouldnt be anywhere near as loud as at the gate, if goalkeeper,would have to be city so the fans didnt punch me, must be loads more scenarios out there .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 33 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Bennett, Cox and Moore's current loans all end after tomorrow's game, Robinson is on a season's loan but the rumour is that he'll go back to Villa this month. I'd imagine Cox, Moore and Robinson will all head home; in fact, guess we might have seen the last of Cox anyway, what with his parent club our next oppositon. Robinson's loan has been bizarre; scoring on his second appearance, then starting out of position a few times while Freeman was serving his ban, then... basically nothing. Perhaps suffered from the form of Kodjia and Agard coming back to fitness as cover, but the fact he's behind Burns in the pecking order really makes you wonder about the choice to make it a season long loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 25 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: if i was a crap player id go to rovers knowing the boos wouldnt be anywhere near as loud as at the gate, if goalkeeper,would have to be city so the fans didnt punch me, must be loads more scenarios out there .... I thought you had to be a horse? Horses aren't eligible to play as far as I'm aware… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Murraysrightplum said: Wages If people still believe that was the issue I'm staggered look at the league table. That's why, we have absolutely no pedigree at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 hours ago, Bowie said: People misunderstand the transfer window. We can sign the players whenever we want they just won't be eligible to play until the window opens perfect example being Norwich signing Matt Jarvis last week. Yes the long awaited transfer window is in effect a registration window. Clubs can't register players to play until the window opens. Transfers can happen any time if you are prepared to either loan back or sit them in the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Just now, REDOXO said: Yes the long awaited transfer window is in effect a registration window. Clubs can't register players to play until the window opens. Transfers can happen any time if you are prepared to either loan back or sit them in the stands. Who is going to be sitting in the stands at Reading, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: Who is going to be sitting in the stands at Reading, I wonder? Cox... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Yes the long awaited transfer window is in effect a registration window. Clubs can't register players to play until the window opens. Transfers can happen any time if you are prepared to either loan back or sit them in the stands. Don`t know about loaning back (outside the windows) as they would be registered with their new club and, if they then played for their former one, that club would be playing an unregistered player and risk punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Yes. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 32 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: I thought you had to be a horse? Horses aren't eligible to play as far as I'm aware… you may be right about horses, but I have seen plenty of donkeys and carthorses on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 24 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Don`t know about loaning back (outside the windows) as they would be registered with their new club and, if they then played for their former one, that club would be playing an unregistered player and risk punishment. Yes without being pedantic it's more about how the contract is written and with whom the registration stays in the short term rather than a straight loan back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 17 hours ago, fly in the air said: You would hope the homework has been done and signings are ready to announce. Hope is all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 To answer the OP, we hope not. I've not totally given up on Cotts, but he seems out of his depth in the Championship. I'm concerned he will **** it up, spend the money and we will still go down. He can sign players, but we doesn't seem to be able to change tactics, or mitigate the opposition to a level where we can compete. E.g. problems at BOTH ends of the pitch. Normally, in this situation, you shore up the defence - but we have conceded more goals then any other team in the division. The reason I've not totally given up on Cotts is that he demonstrated how good he is in the transfer market when he took over as City boss. His record in Div 1 was pretty well flawless - some properly inspired and value-for-money signings. Can he do it at this level though? He will be given the money, but can he be trusted to deal effectively at Championship level? Not sure. He probably deserves the chance to try, put he is going to be a man under pressure. As has been said on other threads, there is also a question about does he understand BCFC is bigger than the players. His first loyalty is to the club and fans - not the squad as it exists as of 1st January 2016. Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 33 minutes ago, REDOXO said: Yes without being pedantic it's more about how the contract is written and with whom the registration stays in the short term rather than a straight loan back I think I see now. So the buying and selling clubs would get everything in place and dated ready to go on say 2nd Jan but the selling club would retain the players registration until then. They would then` hand it over` as it were on that date. Presumably some or all of any fee would already have to have changed hands to prevent anyone backing out at the last minute or if a better offer came along I suppose. It does explain the mystery `injuries` we sometimes see with players a couple of games shy of the windows as I guess one of the buying club`s conditions would be that the player doesn`t play and risk injury/sending off. Would the Moteb deal have been done this way and that`s why we were able to cancel it due to him going back and playing for his old team when we said he couldn`t? I guess so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: I think I see now. So the buying and selling clubs would get everything in place and dated ready to go on say 2nd Jan but the selling club would retain the players registration until then. They would then` hand it over` as it were on that date. Presumably some or all of any fee would already have to have changed hands to prevent anyone backing out at the last minute or if a better offer came along I suppose. It does explain the mystery `injuries` we sometimes see with players a couple of games shy of the windows as I guess one of the buying club`s conditions would be that the player doesn`t play and risk injury/sending off. Would the Moteb deal have been done this way and that`s why we were able to cancel it due to him going back and playing for his old team when we said he couldn`t? I guess so. I thought it was definitive when we saw a new player holding up a City shirt with his name on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Murraysrightplum said: Wages Grey is on marginally more at Burnley than he was offered at City. Wages were not the issue. The issue was that Burnley have a more prestigious standing both as a club and historically than City do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I worry that in the Championship we can't compete on reputation (plenty of bigger clubs in the division. We suffer geographically, we can't compete on wages, we struggling at the bottom of the table, there's no certainty the manager will stay. This is gonna be a tough transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 15 minutes ago, Robbored said: Grey is on marginally more at Burnley than he was offered at City. Wages were not the issue. The issue was that Burnley have a more prestigious standing both as a club and historically than City do. I believe he is on about £10k per week more at Burnley than he would have got with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I don't understand this 'Best of League 1' business, we already have the best of League one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: I thought it was definitive when we saw a new player holding up a City shirt with his name on . Tell that to Fredericks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 31 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: I worry that in the Championship we can't compete on reputation (plenty of bigger clubs in the division. We suffer geographically, we can't compete on wages, we struggling at the bottom of the table, there's no certainty the manager will stay. This is gonna be a tough transfer window. I've never understood why people say we suffer geographically? Suffer how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Just now, Andy082005 said: I've never understood why people say we suffer geographically? I'm just not sure Bristol has the pull of other locations. For example, if we're competing with QPR for a player offering similar pay, we'll probably lose out as they are London based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Just now, Rednwhiterob said: I'm just not sure Bristol has the pull of other locations. For example, if we're competing with QPR for a player offering similar pay, we'll probably lose out as they are London based. yes but what about Swansea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: yes but what about Swansea? good job lands end or john o groats aint got a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: yes but what about Swansea? Or Norwich, Ipswich, Middlesbrough, Hull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: yes but what about Swansea? We're not near Swansea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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