Monkeh Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, 054123 said: I don't know if it's better. I don't believe it to be good. We've appoint football men into positions that we didn't have before (Ashton and burt) we we have stopped paying stupid wages we are finally seeing acadmney players actually coming through and getting a chance in the first team we have invested money in correct places (youth team facilities etc) we we finally have decent food and reasonably priced drink at the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The thing is, the minute we get back in this league we're straight down the bottom again and struggling, only this time with a much smaller defecit. This is the worry. The cock up behind the scenes is different but the result out on the pitch is the same. We can only hope and pray we pull out of this and do better next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, 054123 said: Poorly run club, still is, we all know it. Nice facilities though. And wages by the sounds of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: To be fair Screech one Zulu looks much the same as any other Zulu, so you pick the ones with sharpest spears during training. it's nothing that we didn't know but to have it confirmed in this way is difficult reading. I don't disagree with much in the article, but we would all like to point the finger somewhere else rather than accept some of the blame for our sacking. Lets be fair, it was a mess, but his signings like Jody Morris and Richard Foster added to the crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Jack Dawe said: The thing is, the minute we get back in this league we're straight down the bottom again and struggling, only this time with a much smaller defecit. This is the worry. The cock up behind the scenes is different but the result out on the pitch is the same. We can only hope and pray we pull out of this and do better next summer We can't compete in this league until the ground is finished and we price tickets correctly so we get decent crowds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 7 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Oh it's 100 times better now then it was back then Well apart from not be able understand how to sign players especially strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: We've appoint football men into positions that we didn't have before (Ashton and burt) we we have stopped paying stupid wages we are finally seeing acadmney players actually coming through and getting a chance in the first team we have invested money in correct places (youth team facilities etc) we we finally have decent food and reasonably priced drink at the ground and still can't sign players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Well apart from not be able understand how to sign players especially strikers. We can't afford them and the ones we thought were in our price range the other club wouldn't sell we can't force clubs to sell to us or players to sign contracts is that really so hard to understand produce a list of all this mystical strikers we could afford and wanted to actually play for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: We can't compete in this league until the ground is finished and we price tickets correctly so we get decent crowds We should be able to survive though, and comfortably. But we're a way off that at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 We already knew this he and SoD were put in a position of having to massively cut the players wages and numbers but found it hard to move players on as they were comfy here. The players knew what was happening, and no matter how professional a players is, when you are earning above market money, for little effort because you know your future is elsewhere( as the club needs to let you go) then you cannot be at your best, you do not have the same motivation as a lean team all fighting for their positions and jobs. I remember posts on here when we think McInnes realised that the squad were simply not playing for him and he started to drop our more senior players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Jack Dawe said: We should be able to survive though, and comfortably. But we're a way off that at the moment. We are 3 points clear of danger with most of the teams around us still having to come to Ashton gate I'd rather been in our position then rotherhams boltons or charltons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 We as fans automatically blame the manager but things were obviously a mess behind the scenes when GJ was in charge. DM KM and Coppell seemed to all have massive problems with a over sized unbalanced squad on long contracts and big money . Shambles, i hope its better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Monkeh said: We can't compete in this league until the ground is finished and we price tickets correctly so we get decent crowds Our crowds are "decent" already. Next year, if we stay up, they could be better than decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hortonred Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 30 minutes ago, Olé said: Didn't see this posted anywhere - interesting reading - from The Times: “I needed simplicity after Bristol City, which was an absolute ... I can’t say it,” he says. “After Bristol I just needed to strip everything right back, and do the job the way any football manager is supposed to do his job. “Bristol City had fought relegation for three or four seasons prior to me. I kept the club up in 2012 and, looking back now, that was when I was in my strongest position there. At the end of that season I should have been kicking and screaming to finally get things done properly at that club. “We had players haemorrhaging money at Ashton Gate, earning 14k or 15k a week which the club couldn’t afford. But I wasn’t convinced the club wanted to deal with the situation. I had four different managers’ signings in the dressing room. It was incredible. “I remember one of my first days at training; all these players parked their cars and came over the hill towards me in their red training gear. There was maybe 40 or 50 of them — it was like watching Zulus coming towards me. I had to try to ship loads of them out on loan and get the squad down to an acceptable level. “We managed to keep the club up in 2012, having been way adrift when I arrived there. The board had said, ‘if we go down with Derek McInnes, we’ll come back with Derek McInnes’. I had regiments of players I had to move on, but these guys had nowhere to go. Bristol City was Utopia to them — they were on great money. The club was vastly over-paying its players by thousands of pounds per week. “Everything at Bristol was a mess, including some of the posturing for power in the boardroom. That’s why I said, at Aberdeen, I just needed simplicity. I needed to get back to doing what a football manager does. “Bristol City taught me one key lesson — when things are going your way, and you are hot, then insist there and then on getting things done. Because it can all change so quickly. You go from a king to a clown.” McInnes fails to mention that he learnt he was not good enough to manage in England and went running back to the mickey mouse leagues in Scotland.But it is so much easier to blame others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: We are 3 points clear of danger with most of the teams around us still having to come to Ashton gate I'd rather been in our position then rotherhams boltons or charltons We've been a "shambles" this season, up until three weeks ago. Any attempt to dress it up any different is a nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The sentiment of the last two paras could've been written by SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Reading this thread kind of sums up the issue with our fans for me, here it is in black and white the same thing many have suspected being made clear and what do many of our fans do...... look for ways to blame McInness. I swear some of our fans would rather just ignore the hard truths about this club and keep their rose tinted glasses on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: We as fans automatically blame the manager but Not all of us, mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Jack Dawe said: We've been a "shambles" this season, up until three weeks ago. Any attempt to dress it up any different is a nonsense We've been far from a shambles we are actually putting up and players are actually trying the hardest compare that to when we got relegated last time when the team gave up after 20 games and we were regularly 2 or 3 down after 25 minutes your expectations are far too high, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: We can't afford them and the ones we thought were in our price range the other club wouldn't sell we can't force clubs to sell to us or players to sign contracts is that really so hard to understand produce a list of all this mystical strikers we could afford and wanted to actually play for us So (not including loans) in the past 18 months we have actually signed 3 players is it? one of whom pissed off after a few weeks and the everybody from SL down through to SC ****** up the whole of the summer window? and the highlighted word says it all 'thought' it's supposed to be a professional game run by professionals, I don't have to produce a list of mystical strikers I leave that to others and they patently failed and other clubs around us didn't and don't seem to have a problem signing players. is it really that hard to understand?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Thank you Derek, I got ripped on here a few years back for suggesting some players were on top dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bend it like brian Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 bloke couldn't even put on a decent training session on for the players....he fails to mention this in his statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bend it like brian Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Thank you Derek, I got ripped on here a few years back for suggesting some players were on top dollar. Thought it was common knowledge about the stupid money we were paying but most of this stems from gjs time in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: We've been far from a shambles we are actually putting up and players are actually trying the hardest compare that to when we got relegated last time when the team gave up after 20 games and we were regularly 2 or 3 down after 25 minutes your expectations are far too high, But the outcome is the same: a relegation struggle. Expecting a team that won L1 at a canter to survive in the Championship is too high an expectation? Then SL's are too high as well then. How are Preston getting on? Seen how "decent" their crowds are? Anyone at the Fulham game that didn't see a "shambles" doesn't know what they are looking at, likewise the transfer windows. We just have to hope this was all down to Cotts, otherwise things are grim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Is anybody surprised, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1 minute ago, bend it like brian said: Thought it was common knowledge about the stupid money we were paying but most of this stems from gjs time in charge So did I. Got a hard time for talking about back then though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just confirms what I've said all along...that the infrastructure at the club was appalling whilst Del was here and he needed help. Zero scouting, zero chain of command... he was doomed to fail. Only when SOD arrived did some structure to the club begin to appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bend it like brian Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: So did I. Got a hard time for talking about back then though otib....standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Just confirms what I've said all along...that the infrastructure at the club was appalling whilst Del was here and he needed help. Zero scouting, zero chain of command... he was doomed to fail. Only when SOD arrived did some structure to the club begin to appear. Yep sadly forgot about winning games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Just confirms what I've said all along...that the infrastructure at the club was appalling whilst Del was here and he needed help. Zero scouting, zero chain of command... he was doomed to fail. Only when SOD arrived did some structure to the club begin to appear. We were a L1 club in the Championship, and it has felt very much the same again for most of this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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