Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 40 minutes ago, hodge said: Do people really expect Villa would sell us Baker? Given they'll be down in the championship his value will be huge. Who knows?, but at least make the enquiry and at least then hand on heart SL can say we tried but they wouldn't sell, where's the harm in that?, probably a long shot, but don't ask don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 21 minutes ago, Selred said: On 30 October, Crowley's loan was terminated early as he was recalled by Arsenal.[11][12] After Crowley was recalled Barnsley manager Lee Johnson, himself an Arsenal academy graduate, expressed his disappointment at losing the player, claiming he is "the best 18-year-old I've ever seen". Depends what article you want to believe but working in U21 player recruitment the below is nearer the mark. ------- A bad week for Arsenal youngsters was compounded as League One strugglers Barnsley yesterday sent Dan Crowley back early from his loan spell at Oakwell. Eighteen-year-old Crowley is considered one of the brightest young talents at Arsenal but has been returned to the Gunners after failing to make an impact in the third tier. The England youth international had made 10 first-team appearances for the Tykes since joining on loan in the summer. It was a move that was supposed to run until January, but the coaching staff at Oakwell have been unimpressed with the performances of the Coventry-born midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Someone from a EURO country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 23 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Someone from a EURO country England it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Some country using the common currency then. Not the British Drachmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 4 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Who knows?, but at least make the enquiry and at least then hand on heart SL can say we tried but they wouldn't sell, where's the harm in that?, probably a long shot, but don't ask don't get. So club gets slammed in past for trying to sign unrealistic players and wasting their time, fans propose for this summer we attempt to sign an unrealistic player..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 4 hours ago, hodge said: Do people really expect Villa would sell us Baker? Given they'll be down in the championship his value will be huge. It really depends on Villa and who stays. Okore and Clark could stay though I think Okore would go. Lescott and Richards probably gone. So that leaves a Clark and Baker pairing. Villa will be able to buy almost anyone they want though. Also, they have a decent academy and may want to bring a couple on. I think it would be silly to assume they will absolutely keep Baker. We have to at least try and secure him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 He's proved himself to be able to perform to a good standard in the division in a struggling side. For the 'they can buy anyone they want' why would they pay money for a player in a position where they'd already have one? Baker in effect is like a new signing for them coming back. Dawson and Huddlestone stayed at Hull so don't be so sure about who'd be leaving, but at 24 Baker could be around for a while for them. If we were to pursue Baker in the summer and it took a while and we ended up being unsuccessful, do you honestly think this forums reaction would be 'oh well we tried'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, hodge said: So club gets slammed in past for trying to sign unrealistic players and wasting their time, fans propose for this summer we attempt to sign an unrealistic player..... He's played here all season already. I can't see how it is unrealistic. There may be other suitors but he knows the team and management here. I'm also assuming Mark Ashton and Co can do two things at once and be working on serveral targets at once therefore not wasting time. I'd say you don't think of your team too fondly if you think we can't get a player that's been here for an entire season. Not saying it's likely to happen but he fits and and saying Villa is coming down so they won't sell is waving the white flag before the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 People on here have said Tomlin is unrealistic so Baker...? Yes it would be great to have Baker here and if Villa were staying up I'd say we may have a chance, even if we could get him here I think we'd probably be looking north of £4/5m, can the club really afford fees that high? Everyone says Lansdown would cover it but he's trying to make us sustainable, £5m signings aren't sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 21 minutes ago, hodge said: People on here have said Tomlin is unrealistic so Baker...? Yes it would be great to have Baker here and if Villa were staying up I'd say we may have a chance, even if we could get him here I think we'd probably be looking north of £4/5m, can the club really afford fees that high? Everyone says Lansdown would cover it but he's trying to make us sustainable, £5m signings aren't sustainable. Yes and this is a valid argument. Depends on what the club actually wants. They say different things. We struggled until January and while we can place a new coach and formation as a big reason why we are doing better, you also have to look at 5 new faces, many of whom will be on bigger wages than we can afford long term. Sustainability and competitiveness in this league do not go hand in hand. So do we want to be sustainable or challenge for premier league? We can't do both at the same time. We have to find a balance. Making signings like Baker and Tomlin would show intent and while expensive(not just transfer fees but wages)would be a good step to saying we want premiership football. Signings like this are essential for that goal but not for sustainability. Going the lower leagues and foreign route is very risky and makes sustainability easier but could easily end our premiership hopes. Reality is, we have to mix it up. We have to do both. Mix proven and more expensive players with younger and cheaper ones. Somewhere in there is the right mix to do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 minute ago, JoeAman08 said: Yes and this is a valid argument. Depends on what the club actually wants. They say different things. We struggled until January and while we can place a new coach and formation as a big reason why we are doing better, you also have to look at 5 new faces, many of whom will be on bigger wages than we can afford long term. Sustainability and competitiveness in this league do not go hand in hand. So do we want to be sustainable or challenge for premier league? We can't do both at the same time. We have to find a balance. Making signings like Baker and Tomlin would show intent and while expensive(not just transfer fees but wages)would be a good step to saying we want premiership football. Signings like this are essential for that goal but not for sustainability. Going the lower leagues and foreign route is very risky and makes sustainability easier but could easily end our premiership hopes. Reality is, we have to mix it up. We have to do both. Mix proven and more expensive players with younger and cheaper ones. Somewhere in there is the right mix to do both. I posted before, Matthews, Tomlin and Odemwingie's larger wages could likely be offset by smaller fees to bring them in, Matthews and Tomlin their clubs likely want rid of them and Odemwingie is out of contract. No issues with these guys on higher wages, the problem will come for guys with a high value and high wages, yes we may have been willing to go all out for Gray but just look at how many the guy scores and I imagine Gayle would have scored a lot too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, hodge said: I posted before, Matthews, Tomlin and Odemwingie's larger wages could likely be offset by smaller fees to bring them in, Matthews and Tomlin their clubs likely want rid of them and Odemwingie is out of contract. No issues with these guys on higher wages, the problem will come for guys with a high value and high wages, yes we may have been willing to go all out for Gray but just look at how many the guy scores and I imagine Gayle would have scored a lot too. Ok I get that. That would be ideal as well. Baker would be an investment for sure. Probably 3m+ and close to 20k a week. I like him and would have him for that but I don't pay the bills. I just don't think we should say no before the question is asked. If we are to spend though, it would maybe be easier to do it on a striker knowing the going rates for them. I don't think there is a similar player to Gray this year that we could go after. Kodjia probably fits that profile best so maybe we have the answer already. Nakhi Wells is also in that discussion though I think both are older than Gray already. Would we spend big on a striker again? We have Kodjia and seem to favour lone striker at the moment. Though I'd be quite satisfied if we could sign Tomlin, Matthews and Odemwingie. If we couldn't sign Baker, I'd look for a young ball playing defender in the lower leagues. I don't have any specific names though but should be options. For example I liked that Goldson from Shrewsbury that went to Brighton. Don't think he cost too much(1m range I believe)and is young and reliable. I believe we need true wing options. Not great that your quickest and best winger is 34(35 if he stays). I guess what I'm trying to say is that we still need to spend quite big I think to have any chance of competing. Tomlin and Matthews would cost 2-3m together. Another quality CB could be 1-2m. That's already 3-4m without a CM, winger and striker and their wages plus any pay rises our existing players may get. It means we can't sustain ourselves just yet. So I guess it depends on what is first on the list of objectives for this club. Sustainability or competing for premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 The 2 who come down with Villa will both have the potential to ruin this league add to that whichever teams remain, next seasons championship towards the top end will be extremely competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 What we have to bear in mind is that the emergency loan system, which saved us from relegation this season, isn't an option next time. We have to get in players either permanent or season long loans in the summer to avoid the same struggle next season. SL can't rely on relatively low cost/risk short term loans next year. This may concentrate minds as they know that fallback option is no longer there. I am hopeful that this may force us into more early action this time rather than dithering and knowing there is always a plan b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Signing players from a country with the common currency in Europe is equal to a sale of 25-30 percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Who cares? Steve's got a fat wallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yatesuperreds Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 France and Germany and Czech republic would be good places too scout around and Poland as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 1 minute ago, yatesuperreds said: France and Germany and Czech republic would be good places too scout around and Poland as well Everywhere would be a good place to scout. We seem to be in Spain and France but I'd like us to be scouting in Switzerland and Belgium as well. Germany also. Some good footballers in Scandanavia as well. We need to be everywhere. It would certainly pay off eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Having seen them quite recently, and thinking them outstanding, I'd go for Scott Parker and Ross McCormack. Central midfield and centre forward/in the hole player are two places we really need to strengthen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yatesuperreds Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 43 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Everywhere would be a good place to scout. We seem to be in Spain and France but I'd like us to be scouting in Switzerland and Belgium as well. Germany also. Some good footballers in Scandanavia as well. We need to be everywhere. It would certainly pay off eventually. agree bargins can be found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 3 hours ago, hodge said: So club gets slammed in past for trying to sign unrealistic players and wasting their time, fans propose for this summer we attempt to sign an unrealistic player..... is that the same unrealistic as Luke Freeman before we signed him?, how do you know it's an unrealistic signing until we ask?, of course unless you can predict the future?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 7 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: is that the same unrealistic as Luke Freeman before we signed him?, how do you know it's an unrealistic signing until we ask?, of course unless you can predict the future?. Yes exactly. I get everyone wants to avoid disappointment like we had last summer but we should believe in the club a bit more. If we are bidding for them or they are playing for us already, they should be quite realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyb Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Regarding Baker, if it were up to the fans, they would sell him to a lower Championship club. Hopefully their manager next season whoever it is agrees... See http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=61504&start=103&highlight=baker&highlightmode=1 pages 7 and 8 he is mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 I like baker, but if the fee was in the 4 million range then i think thats too much for us to spend on a centre back. Thats marquee striker money for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 12 hours ago, 'keepuplino' said: Tomlin and Baker are crucial to us along with Korey and Flints signatures.. Pratley is an absolute donkey by the way and well past his best. Not 100% convinced on Tomlin in my opinion, bit of a luxury. Pratley would be extremely good back up, he has been a standout performer for Bolton in an absolutely atrocious team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 5 hours ago, hodge said: So club gets slammed in past for trying to sign unrealistic players and wasting their time, fans propose for this summer we attempt to sign an unrealistic player..... How is trying to sign a player (Baker) from a championship club in the summer (Villa) unrealistic when we've got a billionaire owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Difficult to say really - I`m in favour of a mix & match approach I think. Try and sign Tomlin, Matthews, Odemwingie and possibly Baker on perms. Get a couple in from the lower leagues, the likes of Winnall, Mawson, Bradshaw, Gilbey, Ajose, Nelson or Hourihane. A couple of decent season long loans as well - Grimes from Swansea maybe or Conor Washington from QPR. Chuck in a cheeky punt for Patrick Bamford too if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 35 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Not 100% convinced on Tomlin in my opinion, bit of a luxury. Pratley would be extremely good back up, he has been a standout performer for Bolton in an absolutely atrocious team. Tomlin is anything but a luxury, has showed his class in most of his games for us. Pratley isn't a standout performer, he was appalling against us and most Bolton fans don't want to see him in their starting line up ever again. Not sure where you got your info from! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_red Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 Samir Carruthers and James Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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