BS4 on Tour... Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Just a quickie guys n gals....anyone else reckon the plonkers amongst the Arsenal fans who tried to 'hound' Wenger out with lame demos may feel a bit sheepish now they have finished second? His record speaks for itself, incredible.....yes of course they should have won the league more recently than they have but the guy has delivered nearly two consecutive decades of champions league football...and the criticism of Giroud, especially on here, is just unfounded rubbish, he scored 24 goals in all competitions this season....and he only started 38 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Wenger has had a great record, but for anyone to say they have had a great season by finishing ahead of spurs, but second, is a fallacy. They were again a mile away from winning the league, and failed to recruit sufficient quality to threaten, when the league was theirs to win. When you see teams like athletico madrid not spending really massive money but still amongst the best teams in europe, it just shows that arsenal are some way off that, and if arsenal fans arent happy with that they have the right to make their feelings known imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 i know a few arsenal fans who're having a right knees-up right now - but I know all will share the sentiment that a second place finish is a double-edged sword. While it's great on the spurs side, it seems to cement wenger's position even further. This season they should have steamed the prem by ten points, but thanks to wenger's failings they bottled it again. Amazingly, tottenham have managed to out-bottle them as well mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Wenger has had his day IMO. If ever a club was in need of fresh ideas and a new approach it is Arsenal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, simon uk said: Wenger has had a great record, but for anyone to say they have had a great season by finishing ahead of spurs, but second, is a fallacy. They were again a mile away from winning the league, and failed to recruit sufficient quality to threaten, when the league was theirs to win. When you see teams like athletico madrid not spending really massive money but still amongst the best teams in europe, it just shows that arsenal are some way off that, and if arsenal fans arent happy with that they have the right to make their feelings known imho. You don't think that finishing second in the top div is a great season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You don't think that finishing second in the top div is a great season? Would it be a great season for us? Yes. For arsenal with all their resources and infrastructure, and lack of league success in the last 12 years or so? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You don't think that finishing second in the top div is a great season? for most clubs it's a fantastic achievement. But seeing that they're one of the biggest and richest clubs in Europe, the league table shouldn't be allowed to mask the fact they've been way off the pace for most of the season and looked lightweight and carefree - as well as playing like complete cowards on more than just a few occasions. Frankly, it's utterly inexcusable that they didn't win the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 I struggle to see how people can defend him. Another season miles off winning the league, another last 16 exit. All good and well getting champions league every season, but I struggle to see the point of you're just going to fail every time. They haven't looked like progressing for years. His stubbornness in the transfer market is his undoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny P Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You don't think that finishing second in the top div is a great season? Happy with second place? For a second rate team, delighted. For Arsenal yet again a season of failure when it was theirs to win. He has to go imo, fresh ideas are needed and a manger whos sole aim isn't to make money for the club but one who aims to spend the clubs collosal wealth on winning to titles like the Man City's and Chelsea's of this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 16 minutes ago, simon uk said: Wenger has had a great record, but for anyone to say they have had a great season by finishing ahead of spurs, but second, is a fallacy. They were again a mile away from winning the league, and failed to recruit sufficient quality to threaten, when the league was theirs to win. When you see teams like athletico madrid not spending really massive money but still amongst the best teams in europe, it just shows that arsenal are some way off that, and if arsenal fans arent happy with that they have the right to make their feelings known imho. They were the closest to winning the league out of the big clubs though, and iirc they spent the least out of the big clubs too. Yes they should have won the league, but you can say that about Spurs, Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 At any other club he'd have been sacked 2 or 3 times over by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, Danny P said: Happy with second place? For a second rate team, delighted. For Arsenal yet again a season of failure when it was theirs to win. He has to go imo, fresh ideas are needed and a manger whos sole aim isn't to make money for the club but one who aims to spend the clubs collosal wealth on winning to titles like the Man City's and Chelsea's of this world. Wenger has won the premier league more times than Man City.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Arsenals form since losing to Barcelona has been pretty poor. Somehow they've stumbled into 2nd place due to Spurs imploding since the Chelsea game. If they were ever going to win the league under Wenger it was this season. Can't see that ever happening with him in charge now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Not in the last 10 years he hasnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Wenger has won the premier league more times than Man City.... not in the last 12 years. This is what rankles. His record in his first eight years was fantastic. Everything he touched was gold. But the last 12 years have been denied the league on more than one occasion because of his stubbornness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: They haven't looked like progressing for years. His stubbornness in the transfer market is his undoing. I agree he can be seen as stubborn at times but his record at unearthing players nobody has heard of and then turning them into world class players is admirable ....... eg Thierry Henry and Cesc Fabegas....and he plucked Giroud from the same level at which we found Kodjia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Amazing thing is how far Leicester have won the league by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Must be really frustrating to be a Arsenal fan, for years and years they've been in the top 4 but have never looked good enough to win the Prem. It seems obvious for a few seasons they have needed some leaders on the pitch, maybe a english core of players that actually give a sh*t. Far too many times they have been out-muscled or out fought, this wouldn't of happened the last time they won the Prem with Adams, Viera and Keown etc. They always seem to have a talented squad but come up short in the last decade or so. They need a center back, center midfielder and a world class striker and this has been the case for years. I have been a big fan of Wenger over the years but i think Arsenal need to freshen things up and spend some money on a world class striker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, poland_exile said: not in the last 12 years. This is what rankles. His record in his first eight years was fantastic. Everything he touched was gold. But the last 12 years have been denied the league on more than one occasion because of his stubbornness. Fair comment, but this season he has delivered what Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs would have regarded as a fantastic season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 40 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Just a quickie guys n gals....anyone else reckon the plonkers amongst the Arsenal fans who tried to 'hound' Wenger out with lame demos may feel a bit sheepish now they have finished second? His record speaks for itself, incredible.....yes of course they should have won the league more recently than they have but the guy has delivered nearly two consecutive decades of champions league football...and the criticism of Giroud, especially on here, is just unfounded rubbish, he scored 24 goals in all competitions this season....and he only started 38 games... They should pay what it takes and get Ronald Koeman in asap....he would be the perfect fit at Arsenal and push them on....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: They should pay what it takes and get Ronald Koeman in asap....he would be the perfect fit at Arsenal and push them on....... If they did make a change that would be a good shout - with Bergkamp as his assistant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 Arsenal have had arguably the most successful season of the 'big' teams this season. They got a trophy and finished 2nd, out of the big teams only man city (4th and league cup) would really have a case for more successful this year. Throw in utd/Liverpool depending on if they win their finals, but they still have to play those, and it would still be debatable, given their worse league performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Fair comment, but this season he has delivered what Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd and Spurs would have regarded as a fantastic season... Cant agree... 2nd for spurs and liverpool this year would be a fantastic season, but for chelsea and man city they wouldnt have considered that fantastic, regardless of how chelsea messed up their season. Likewise, i cant see how arsenal finishing 2nd instead of the usual 3rd or 4th is particularly great for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, City169 said: Arsenal have had arguably the most successful season of the 'big' teams this season. They got a trophy and finished 2nd, out of the big teams only man city (4th and league cup) would really have a case for more successful this year. Throw in utd/Liverpool depending on if they win their finals, but they still have to play those. What trophy did Arsenal win this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, simon uk said: Cant agree... 2nd for spurs and liverpool this year would be a fantastic season, but for chelsea and man city they wouldnt have considered that fantastic, regardless of how chelsea messed up their season. Likewise, i cant see how arsenal finishing 2nd instead of the usual 3rd or 4th is particularly great for them. So a trophy and improvement in league finish isn't progress? Progress is always good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: If they did make a change that would be a good shout - with Bergkamp as his assistant? The right 'DNA'...........(double helix)!!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 1 minute ago, screech said: What trophy did Arsenal win this season? Charity shield, beating Chelsea. I know it isn't taken overly seriously, but it is a trophy nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 I think they'll be delighted that Spurs finished below them. But the fans need to be careful what they wish for. I can see Arsenal imploding post Wenger. Surely he'll move upstairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_exile Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, City169 said: So a trophy and improvement in league finish isn't progress? Progress is always good. Arsenal should pack-up, leave England and tour the world playing meaningless friendlies to promote the game. That's what they're good at. When you talk about progress, what progress did they make in the champions league? once again, utterly outclassed. That's not progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 7 minutes ago, simon uk said: Cant agree... 2nd for spurs and liverpool this year would be a fantastic season, but for chelsea and man city they wouldnt have considered that fantastic, regardless of how chelsea messed up their season. Likewise, i cant see how arsenal finishing 2nd instead of the usual 3rd or 4th is particularly great for them. It's Arsenal's highest league finish for 11 years....just can't see how they wouldn't be delighted with that...progress is progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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