Red Skin Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Apologiies if this has been done before, but a thought occurred to watching the Euros. Every game starts nil-nil and both teams effectively start with a point and each team has the choice whether to try to hold onto it or go for three. Why? How about changing the rules so that a 0-0 draws means neither side gets a point if the game ends that way. This means teams have to do something positive to get any points. Only score draws mean you get a point. The longer a game stays at 0-0 the more attacking the play would become as both side look to get something rather than the more defensive the game becomes under the current rules. Sure, teams could get to 1-1 and then park the bus, but at least they would have earned their point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 pointless idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Are you American @Red Army Faction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Fast kickin', low scorin' and ties? You bet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 36 minutes ago, Red Army Faction said: Apologiies if this has been done before, but a thought occurred to watching the Euros. Every game starts nil-nil and both teams effectively start with a point and each team has the choice whether to try to hold onto it or go for three. Why? How about changing the rules so that a 0-0 draws means neither side gets a point if the game ends that way. This means teams have to do something positive to get any points. Only score draws mean you get a point. The longer a game stays at 0-0 the more attacking the play would become as both side look to get something rather than the more defensive the game becomes under the current rules. Sure, teams could get to 1-1 and then park the bus, but at least they would have earned their point. That is what 3 points for a win was supposed to do. Better off giving bonus points for scoring x number of goals more than the opposition to encourage scoring imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Wouldn't it just further widen the gap between the haves and have nots? Weak teams will be forced to go all out to get anything from the game and will get thrashed consistently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 17 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Wouldn't it just further widen the gap between the haves and have nots? Weak teams will be forced to go all out to get anything from the game and will get thrashed consistently! Maybe, or challenge them to find a way to win. We are post-Leicester now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 28 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Are you American @Red Army Faction? Hell no, limey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 No - a great away 0-0 is a hard fought point sometimes. I'm thinking for City - Newcastle and West Ham away off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, Red Army Faction said: Maybe, or challenge them to find a way to win. We are post-Leicester now. I like the romanticism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 36 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Are you American @Red Army Faction? Why would that matter? 10 minutes ago, Red Army Faction said: Hell no, limey. Why such an emphatic no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: No - a great away 0-0 is a hard fought point sometimes. I'm thinking for City - Newcastle and West Ham away off the top of my head. We'll beat them both like eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 "How about changing the rules so that a 0-0 draws means neither side gets a point if the game ends that way". Logically ten, the next step sees a point deduction for a defeat. I've checked that with last season's table. Bolton's 30 points would become 4, Mk 39 = 14, Charlton 40 = 16, Rotherham 49 = 26, Fulham 51 = 32, Huddersfield 51 = 30, City & Reading 52 = 32. Huddersfield would have finished one place lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Each team get a point in a draw. Not pointless. Flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I`ve often wondered what would be the effect of the season being calculated `on aggregate` i.e. based on both games v another team. for instance, if you win the first match 1-0 and then lose 2-0 in the return one you `lose` the tie and get no points and the opposition get six. It would make teams in the second half of the season go for it if they knew by winning say 3-0 they would win the tie even if they`d lost the first match 2-0. The counter argument of course is that if you won the first match 1-0, the temptation would be to park the bus in the second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, MichaelRobartes said: We'll beat them both like eggs. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: ? I'm guessing he means we'll sit back and try and poach something but the likely outcome is we'll scramble as soon as the heat's turned up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: I`ve often wondered what would be the effect of the season being calculated `on aggregate` i.e. based on both games v another team. for instance, if you win the first match 1-0 and then lose 2-0 in the return one you `lose` the tie and get no points and the opposition get six. It would make teams in the second half of the season go for it if they knew by winning say 3-0 they would win the tie even if they`d lost the first match 2-0. The counter argument of course is that if you won the first match 1-0, the temptation would be to park the bus in the second one. Like it. Would still have chance to win the tie though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 48 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Are you American @Red Army Faction? 6 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: I`ve often wondered what would be the effect of the season being calculated `on aggregate` i.e. based on both games v another team. for instance, if you win the first match 1-0 and then lose 2-0 in the return one you `lose` the tie and get no points and the opposition get six. It would make teams in the second half of the season go for it if they knew by winning say 3-0 they would win the tie even if they`d lost the first match 2-0. The counter argument of course is that if you won the first match 1-0, the temptation would be to park the bus in the second one. 13 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Why would that matter? Why such an emphatic no? Are you American? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 57 minutes ago, TRL said: That is what 3 points for a win was supposed to do. Better off giving bonus points for scoring x number of goals more than the opposition to encourage scoring imo How about 4 points for an away win, or a bonus point based over home & away games or even a bonus point if you score 4 goals or more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Red Army Faction said: Apologiies if this has been done before, but a thought occurred to watching the Euros. Every game starts nil-nil and both teams effectively start with a point and each team has the choice whether to try to hold onto it or go for three. Why? How about changing the rules so that a 0-0 draws means neither side gets a point if the game ends that way. This means teams have to do something positive to get any points. Only score draws mean you get a point. The longer a game stays at 0-0 the more attacking the play would become as both side look to get something rather than the more defensive the game becomes under the current rules. Sure, teams could get to 1-1 and then park the bus, but at least they would have earned their point. 20\20 football.....not for me,I'm a purist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 42 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Why would that matter? Why such an emphatic no? It was just a little joke - thinking a goalless draw needs to be avoided struck me as quite an American sort of attitude to sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Red Army Faction said: Apologiies if this has been done before, but a thought occurred to watching the Euros. Every game starts nil-nil and both teams effectively start with a point and each team has the choice whether to try to hold onto it or go for three. Why? How about changing the rules so that a 0-0 draws means neither side gets a point if the game ends that way. This means teams have to do something positive to get any points. Only score draws mean you get a point. The longer a game stays at 0-0 the more attacking the play would become as both side look to get something rather than the more defensive the game becomes under the current rules. Sure, teams could get to 1-1 and then park the bus, but at least they would have earned their point. Wouldn't it be far far better to just leave the game as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 39 minutes ago, Red Army Faction said: Are you American? Yes 6 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: It was just a little joke - thinking a goalless draw needs to be avoided struck me as quite an American sort of attitude to sport! Just giving you guys are hard time. Joke away boys. It is true we don't like draws. Why the nfl changed overtime rules a few years ago but you can still draw in that. There was a draw in a baseball all star game about 10 years ago and it was so hotly contested that they changed rules just for that game every year. Plus I think nhl cannot have draws anymore either but not completely sure. Can't say you don't have a point about that though. I'd take a draw for our football team tonight though(Argentina in Copa America SF so would mean pens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: ? No need to worry about losing points for 0-0 draws. Newcastle and Villa home and away = 12 points 44 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: I'm guessing he means we'll sit back and try and poach something but the likely outcome is we'll scramble as soon as the heat's turned up! Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Surely the biggest flaw with this idea is that you would get the same number of points for drawing 0-0 as you would for losing 0-5. Which is just barmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Red Right Hand said: I`ve often wondered what would be the effect of the season being calculated `on aggregate` i.e. based on both games v another team. for instance, if you win the first match 1-0 and then lose 2-0 in the return one you `lose` the tie and get no points and the opposition get six. It would make teams in the second half of the season go for it if they knew by winning say 3-0 they would win the tie even if they`d lost the first match 2-0. The counter argument of course is that if you won the first match 1-0, the temptation would be to park the bus in the second one. I believe Speedway tried something similar a few years back. Normal points for wins & draws, but the aggregate winner received an extra point. That would sure make the last day of the season more exciting. "It's no use us getting a win as our nearest rivals might get four points from their last game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, MichaelRobartes said: No need to worry about losing points for 0-0 draws. Newcastle and Villa home and away = 12 points Who said anything about Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Portland Bill said: Wouldn't it be far far better to just leave the game as it is. Crazy dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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