pongo88 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Why oh why was he selected today? Johnson should have seen enough of him last season to know he is huff and puff with zero end product. He was probably given more passes than any other City player, many in great positions, yet achieved zilch. O'Dowda was signed as a wide player so he should be given a reasonable run in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 49 minutes ago, 29AR said: He was (2nd half) I totally forgive that because he's a left winger/number 10 playing right wing back with a full back/ RCB with no confidence nor support. In the circumstances, even at RWB he put in a pretty good performance even though it was not a good performance from someone familiar in that position Had he had O'Dowda's position maybe, just maybe, second half he'd be coming off a solid 7-8. He certainly looked like getting it first half. I think he paid the price today/was sacrificed for us not having Ayling. Personally I back him. But I think he's going to go elsewhere and accustom to this level. I didn't understand why Freeman was kept on the right when O'Dowda came on. O'Dowda likes to play on the right and Freeman is far better on the left. I thought Freeman played well, but he is not a right sided player, hence why he had to keep cutting back in on to his left foot. We were crying out for a right sided player with pace in that last 20 mins ( when Kodjia was moved into the middle) because Newcastle's left back lacked pace. I would also like to say that I though Gary O Neil was OUTSTANDING today, possibly one of the best central midfield performances I've seen from a City player in the last 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 40 minutes ago, Donkeeebles said: Thought he did well first half Poor second half Blame LJ for LF's 2nd half, why play him as a right winger? Bizarre decision by the manager, especially as Newcastle's left back lacked pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Why oh why was he selected today? Johnson should have seen enough of him last season to know he is huff and puff with zero end product. He was probably given more passes than any other City player, many in great positions, yet achieved zilch. O'Dowda was signed as a wide player so he should be given a reasonable run in the team Yep did well to create space for himself, then found he was one on three with little support and few options. Doesn't have the pace to take them on..Pass back to Goldbourne. What do you expect him to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, reddoc said: Yep did well to create space for himself, then found he was one on three with little support and few options. Doesn't have the pace to take them on..Pass back to Goldbourne. What do you expect him to do? What do I expect him to do? Simple - something positive. If he hasn't the pace to take on players, why is he playing? Gary Johnson always said he wanted players who could affect the game. The only way he affects the game is by running into cul de sacs, losing possession, or giving a sideways pass. The number of times he scores or provides an assist is so small it's almost unmeasurable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Very nearly assisted Magnusson from a corner late on today. I think it fair to judge him on the first 45, when I would defend him, the second 45 played as a RWB though is totally unreasonable to have any real expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Where he plays is irrelevant in my opinion. His weakness has been exposed...for all his technical skill he makes decisions too slowly. As my son said...he has almost the reverse of a Midas touch...gets the ball in, or works himself into, golden positions and turns them into ashes. Never going to make it at this level. Great season in Div. 1 but now time to move him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Is Freeman the type of player that will be consistent enough to take us to the level we are trying to achieve? My personal opinion would be that he had probably reached his peak in the lower division More than happy for him to prove me wrong with a run in the team but I am not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, pongo88 said: What do I expect him to do? Simple - something positive. If he hasn't the pace to take on players, why is he playing? Gary Johnson always said he wanted players who could affect the game. The only way he affects the game is by running into cul de sacs, losing possession, or giving a sideways pass. The number of times he scores or provides an assist is so small it's almost unmeasurable OK , accepting that you and I recognise he doesn't have the pace, then I'd suggest that some of his brighter team mates are aware of this too. Therefore give him some support . We don't make this argument for Tomlin. Little pace, plenty of support. He's a better player of course, but Freeman has no chance of affecting the game when he's isolated in the way he was today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Freeman had a lot of the ball today and got himself involved in looking for it. That all amounts to nothing if once you get the ball you become very predictable. Being predictable is just do easy for the opposition, they don't even have to make defensive decisions so can be one step ahead of players like Freeman. Suddenly a promising attack turns into frantic defending and us under pressure for no real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Had Bryan been fit the obvious set up was him and Freeman providing the attacking crosses to Abraham and Kodjia. This obviously didn't happen. I thought Freeman had his brightest start for ages and to a point was surprised how much of the ball he saw. However much I try to defend Freeman and how I really want him to deliver on his obvious skill I'm starting to think it ain't going to happen. "Cross the fxxxxxg ball" must have been the most popular shout this afternoon, one even joined in by Tammy. I think his time may be up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 No doubt this lad has talent , as we saw in the championship winning team, just holds onto the ball too long and takes the wrong options. Not sure at this level that can be coached out of him. Works hard and covers a lot of ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Poor old Dill the Dog, he has football dyslexia, can't read the game, can't see a pass- tries hard, but not enough at this level. Needs to get down to div 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antman Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 18 minutes ago, adamski said: Poor old Dill the Dog, he has football dyslexia, can't read the game, can't see a pass- tries hard, but not enough at this level. Needs to get down to div 1. excellent comparison - Dill the Dog!!!! for those of you younger than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamski Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 We've been making this comparison for the past two seasons.....hair helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Lucan said: 2 hours ago, Barry Sheene said: Is Freeman the type of player that will be consistent enough to take us to the level we are trying to achieve? My personal opinion would be that he had probably reached his peak in the lower division More than happy for him to prove me wrong with a run in the team but I am not holding my breath. How many players in that team could you genuinely say are consistent (or good) enough to take us to the next level? Kodjia hasn't scored all season, Tomlin hasn't performed, Bobby Reid was largely awful today. Freeman was one of our biggest dangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: How many players in that team could you genuinely say are consistent (or good) enough to take us to the next level? Kodjia hasn't scored all season, Tomlin hasn't performed, Bobby Reid was largely awful today. Freeman was one of our biggest dangers. Yes that free kick near the end when he hit the defender should have been a big danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 minute ago, AshtonGreat said: How many players in that team could you genuinely say are consistent (or good) enough to take us to the next level? Kodjia hasn't scored all season, Tomlin hasn't performed, Bobby Reid was largely awful today. Freeman was one of our biggest dangers. Hear what you're saying but Tomlin, Kodjia have in my opinion a bit more in the tank and will undoubtedly be successful . Do you think Freeman has that quality because the harsh realities is over the last 50 games it's clear to me he hasn't. The game is about opinions and I can't agree that he was our biggest danger today. If we want to progress then Luke has got to get better or he needs to be replaced. Question is if he was available for transfer would another championship club take him from us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Lucan said: 6 minutes ago, Super said: Yes that free kick near the end when he hit the defender should have been a big danger. That was one incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBS14 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Needs to look up pick a pass and find a team mate, he gets the ball, the whole ground waits in anticipation and he stops and goes sideways, or he passes the wrong way or not at all. Really frustrating player, he has the ability but he reminds me of a cheap firework ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 52 games at Ashton Gate. 0 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Even lost the ability to play a 5 yard pass towards the end of the game, and gave the ball away on numerous occasions which you don't normally expect from him. Started ok down the left but lacked any actual delivery into the box. Running out of chances at this level imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 I thought Freeman played really well in the first and was a threat going forward. In the second half when he moved across to right I thought he still played well but he cut into to many times to get the ball on to his his left foot. I would pick Freemam over O'Dowda every time on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 24 years old, never going to improve apparently he might as well retire before he hits his prime years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 9 hours ago, bearded_red said: 52 games at Ashton Gate. 0 goals. With some of you lot getting on his back every week, it's hardly surprising is it*. Anyway, Freeman has never been a prolific goalscorer. The point is, he's a real handful for opposing defences, and I saw several instances of that yesterday. *The same applies to Little. His confidence was shot to pieces yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Too slow to unlock good defences Doesn't learn. Time to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langford Red Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 It is now time for Freeman to move on We have to stop playing him NOW! His corners are awful, and he is a weakness in our side now Please sell him Fed up of seeing him do the same poor displays over and over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, bs3 said: I thought Freeman played really well in the first and was a threat going forward. In the second half when he moved across to right I thought he still played well but he cut into to many times to get the ball on to his his left foot. I would pick Freemam over O'Dowda every time on the left. I agree with this. I thought Freeman posed a threat in the first half. He was less effective in the second half but so was the whole team. O'Dowda didn't look any better when he came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 50 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: With some of you lot getting on his back every week, it's hardly surprising is it*. *The same applies to Little. His confidence was shot to pieces yesterday. Nobody is getting on anybody's back. We are just expressing an opinion in the same way you stated that Bobby Reid was largely awful yesterday. I can't agree with that opinion but I wouldn't say you are getting on Bobby Reid back because of that opinion. This is a football forum and we all have to accept that we all see that game differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Bicester Red said: It is now time for Freeman to move on We have to stop playing him NOW! His corners are awful, and he is a weakness in our side now Please sell him Fed up of seeing him do the same poor displays over and over How can he be a weakness in our side when yesterday several players were much worse than him? He had a good game, and against a team who may well get auto promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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