Phileas Fogg Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Londoner said: Im not rude, im just saying the truth and some people dont like that. The truth hurts. It is rude, it's also totally unnecessary. Surely, if you're so intelligent, you can debate a point without arrogantly exclaiming that someone 'doesn't understand football' because they make a counter argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It is rude, it's also totally unnecessary. Surely, if you're so intelligent, you can debate a point without arrogantly exclaiming that someone 'doesn't understand football' because they make a counter argument. Ive never mentioned being "do intelligent", those are your words not mine.....well obviously they dont understand the area of discussion as they wouldnt come up with such nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Londoner said: Im not rude, im just saying the truth and some people dont like that. The truth hurts. In fairness, you do come across as a complete****! A**** with an agenda whose posts are tiresome and bias against our own club. I don't know you from Adam, so maybe you aren't like that in real life, but you are certainly on the verge of being the first person I've ever blocked on otib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: In fairness, you do come across as a complete****! A**** with an agenda whose posts are tiresome and bias against our own club. I don't know you from Adam, so maybe you aren't like that in real life, but you are certainly on the verge of being the first person I've ever blocked on otib. How are they bias? I say a lot of positives about bcfc.....i was delighted when we signed jamie paterson, i think hodor has beeb outstanding after a poor debut against wigan, and i think gaz o neil had largely been very very good signing for us....you, like others, tend to pick and choose in order to meet your own agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 52 minutes ago, BCFC_Dan said: My memory's a bit hazy but I can only really remember Saborio being played up front, which he didn't do brilliantly. My recollection, too. He partnered Maynard, got an assist for him on his debut and then his first goal a few games after that. However he then clearly struggled for form and GJ dropped him pretty quickly. When he got back in the side a while later he looked a shadow of the guy we signed and so left pretty soon after. Many will know I was (and am) a big fan of GJ, but by this time with us he was adopting a scattergun approach to recruiting forwards and so he was one of a number who arrived and then left us in short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, Londoner said: So the obvious example is Joe Bryan, the "potential of being a premier league left back, and how its important he gets the opportunity to make one position his own". Fast forward 6 months..left back, left wing back, left midfield, right midfield, centre midfield......and how has joe done this season....we all know the answer to that. Well maybe not you actually. Who mentioned Joe because i didn't and if you did know anything about the game you would know players develop at different rates and have dips in form. Consistency comes with maturity. Now you are either as thick as a whale omelette about football which i think is the case or your'e on a wind up getting a lot of peoples backs up with your arrogant and condescending attitude. Try winding your neck in a bit OK then perhaps we can all have sensible debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Londoner said: How are they bias? I say a lot of positives about bcfc.....i was delighted when we signed jamie paterson, i think hodor has beeb outstanding after a poor debut against wigan, and i think gaz o neil had largely been very very good signing for us....you, like others, tend to pick and choose in order to meet your own agenda. Yawn. You clearly think very highly of yourself, but just so that you are aware... your posts are amongst the worst on this forum. Have a good evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Who mentioned Joe because i didn't and if you did know anything about the game you would know players develop at different rates and have dips in form. Consistency comes with maturity. Now you are either as thick as a whale omelette about football which i think is the case or your'e on a wind up getting a lot of peoples backs up with your arrogant and condescending attitude. Try winding your neck in a bit OK then perhaps we can all have sensible debate Consistency comes with maturity....a maturity of position....something joe wont get until he gets a sustained run in a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: All he said was where he had previously played. That doesn't mean he's going to play him there. True dat. He may be the tall imposing keeper we have been asking for !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Londoner said: Consistency comes with maturity....a maturity of position....something joe wont get until he gets a sustained run in a position. Do me a favour and don't reply to my posts anymore it's like talking to a brick wall. C O C K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Do me a favour and don't reply to my posts anymore it's like talking to a brick wall. C O C K I dont know why youre getting so upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 23 minutes ago, Londoner said: How are they bias? I say a lot of positives about bcfc.....i was delighted when we signed jamie paterson, i think hodor has beeb outstanding after a poor debut against wigan, and i think gaz o neil had largely been very very good signing for us....you, like others, tend to pick and choose in order to meet your own agenda. The irony of this sentence after making the OP is just brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandy Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Londoner said: Not because of the player, but because od what LJ said in his press conference. He can play centre half, centre mid or in the number 10 role".....please LJ we have signed excellent players in the past who have been wasted....to some extent Saborio and to a big extent in Evander Sno, who were constantly played out of position. Give the lad a run in his best position, dont chop and change his roles, he may have excellent "pedigree" but he is also new to english football. We have also seen LJ do this constantly throughout this season...for once, it would be nice for him to give this lad a real run in his BEST position. Tomlin on the left wing springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Londoner said: I dont know why youre getting so upset. For an "academic " whatever that means, you've learned very few social skills. Maybe you're used to talking at people without expecting a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Londoner said: Not because of the player, but because od what LJ said in his press conference. He can play centre half, centre mid or in the number 10 role".....please LJ we have signed excellent players in the past who have been wasted....to some extent Saborio and to a big extent in Evander Sno, who were constantly played out of position. Give the lad a run in his best position, dont chop and change his roles, he may have excellent "pedigree" but he is also new to english football. We have also seen LJ do this constantly throughout this season...for once, it would be nice for him to give this lad a real run in his BEST position. Rest assured Londoner that he is "one for the future" and will be loaned out soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs20ciderarmy Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, phantom said: Square pegs, round holes never works in football. Just look at our national side Yeah just look at Liverpool with Milner left back doesn't work..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Midred said: For an "academic " whatever that means, you've learned very few social skills. Maybe you're used to talking at people without expecting a response. No he is just over sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I'm shocked and appalled by the way that LJ has used Hegeler to date. So far he hasn't used him in his best position once. Bit harsh, LJ has so far had little choice in this case... he'll be as keen as ever to get the new guy on a bench asap.. However his hands are tied at the moment ..... I think you'll find its a contractual stipulation that Rudolph Hucker has first dibs. P.S. Nationality may well be hindering progress too, - as Corporal Jones often used to say ... '' they don't like it up 'em '' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, phantom said: Square pegs, round holes never works in football. Just look at our national side Maybe Lee has a planned route to that destination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I agree with the general consensus on here in having a consistent team and sticking with it!! I think LJ likes versatile players because it means he can tinker even without subs! Which I wouldn't mind if it was only to a certain extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Londoner said: In what way am i slagging him off. in saying you hope he doesn't play him out of position you are kind of saying you expect him to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Ability to play a number of positions...is the way the modern game is going, I think @spudski made reference to this on another thread. The square pegs, round holes thing is still true but in the modern game, players are expected to be able to play a number of positions, switch position on the pitch, show fluidity and interchanging a lot more so than before- rotation, lots of rotation on the pitch. Maybe it will go full circle again but modern players need to adapt to this, I think it will only continue along this path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Ability to play a number of positions...is the way the modern game is going, I think @spudski made reference to this on another thread. The square pegs, round holes thing is still true but in the modern game, players are expected to be able to play a number of positions, switch position on the pitch, show fluidity and interchanging a lot more so than before- rotation, lots of rotation on the pitch. Maybe it will go full circle again but modern players need to adapt to this, I think it will only continue along this path. When O'Dowda joined in the summer, LJ used the words "versatile" and "fluid." It's a common theme, and clearly part of the plan. What he is looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: When O'Dowda joined in the summer, LJ used the words "versatile" and "fluid." It's a common theme, and clearly part of the plan. What he is looking for. Yep, the plan on paper is good and certainly up to speed. Let's hope the results on the pitch follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Don't dismiss the traditional number 10 role. Look at assorted number tens from years gone by; to name just four Pele, Toshack, Kellard & Gow. They were all integral and sometimes vital components of the teams they played for, especially the last two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Settled side with players playing in their best position. May be 'old school' but tried and tested and one of the main reasons why Leicester last season and Chelsea this are top of the Premiership. Both record the least changes postionally/squad of any teams in the Premiership. We're not able to compete transfer fee or salary wise with the very few utility players who are available and skilled enough to compete with the specialised positional players at this level. Utility players no doubt one of the ideas straight out of the latest FA coaching manual. As a Club, we've tried this before and it's been an abject failure. Just buy in players who excel in one position and build a team of excellent specialists rather than average adaptables. A team full of Jordan Henderson types - perish the thought. Lee be your own man - don't slavishly follow the latest FA coaching manual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 5, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 hours ago, phantom said: Square pegs, round holes never works in football. Just look at our national side The Dutch seemed to make total football work........ at least for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: The Dutch seemed to make total football work........ at least for a while. 80s seem to be all the rage these days so why not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Ability to play a number of positions...is the way the modern game is going, I think @spudski made reference to this on another thread. The square pegs, round holes thing is still true but in the modern game, players are expected to be able to play a number of positions, switch position on the pitch, show fluidity and interchanging a lot more so than before- rotation, lots of rotation on the pitch. Maybe it will go full circle again but modern players need to adapt to this, I think it will only continue along this path. Agreed mate...It's been around for many year...think 'Total Football' and Cruyff and the Dutch side of the 70's etc. Everyone expected to know how to play in each position and do it well. We haven't necessarily followed that route so much in this country, but even in my youth when having trials for Swindon, I was tried out at positions I'd never played before, just to see how I'd cope. Not very well I may add :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, spudski said: Agreed mate...It's been around for many year...think 'Total Football' and Cruyff and the Dutch side of the 70's etc. Everyone expected to know how to play in each position and do it well. We haven't necessarily followed that route so much in this country, but even in my youth when having trials for Swindon, I was tried out at positions I'd never played before, just to see how I'd cope. Not very well I may add It's not so common here you're quite right. Perhaps the English game throws up a unique challenge but and while Milner is an obvious exception, and Rooney and Carrick in their latter years- there don't seem to be a plethora of players, even the top ones in England who can do this to a high and fairly seamless level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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