Lanterne Rouge Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, cidered abroad said: I now believe that football fans are fortunate to have the law that does not allow consumption of alcohol within sight of the pitch. I have an ST at Bristol and it's a complete pain in the ass to have to keep standing up for those wh cannot go 40 minutes with alcohol. So football fans don't have this to put up with. And a final word to the OP, Ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break the law. It is each person's responsibility to know the laws relating to whatever they do in life. I also believe now that the segregation of fans at football actually benefits the away team especially. A large group of one team's supporters can make a considerably greater amount of noise in support of one's team than from those spread around a stadium as is the case at rugby. Not only this but I for one don`t want to be showered with lukewarm cider when we score by some clown who forgets he`s holding a pint. If drinking were to be allowed again I would like to think that the club would set aside a `no drinking` block at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: I now believe that football fans are fortunate to have the law that does not allow consumption of alcohol within sight of the pitch. I have an ST at Bristol and it's a complete pain in the ass to have to keep standing up for those who cannot go 40 minutes with alcohol. So football fans don't have this to put up with. And a final word to the OP, Ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break the law. It is each person's responsibility to know the laws relating to whatever they do in life. I also believe now that the segregation of fans at football actually benefits the away team especially. A large group of one team's supporters can make a considerably greater amount of noise in support of one's team than from those spread around a stadium as is the case at rugby. The OP wasn't excusing the breaking of the law, the OP was commenting that his daughters were verbally abused by club officials for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 Decant to suitable vessel. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 5 hours ago, View from the Dolman said: It applies to a "public service vehicle" which "is being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event." The only such designated sporting events are football matches. In the event of a hired minibus carrying you and your mates only, I think this is fine. But if you have a driver paid for the role, this appears to cross the boundary since the vehicle is being operated by a PSV (with the relevant licensing requirements being applied). It also includes trains where they are "being used for the principal purpose of carrying passengers for the whole or part of a journey to or from a designated sporting event." So a football special would have alcohol prohibited but a trip from Bristol to Birmingham on a train that is running routinely from Penzance to Aberdeen is not restricted. DISCLAIMER (I'm taking no chances!): I'm not a lawyer, so please don't consider this to be formal legal advice. If in doubt, please seek professional legal advice. etc So what if the principal purpose was to have a drinking session while on the move and happen to take in a game of football before turning around and coming back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 Since when could a football pitch view anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 6 hours ago, Nongazeuse said: You're right because she won't coming at all... Seems far too precious for football anyway. I bet her tiara nearly fell off when the mean man had a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 hours ago, David Brent said: It's not jobsworth. If other people who don't know the rules (are there even any?..) see you and your daughters with a pint then maybe they'd try to do the same. The steward was doing his job. why is alcohol allowed at rugby and not football, is it at all football grounds, it cant be for health and safety grounds or it would not be allowed for rugby, are we considered to be not trustworthy, if that is the reason then it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, pillred said: why is alcohol allowed at rugby and not football, is it at all football grounds, it cant be for health and safety grounds or it would not be allowed for rugby, are we considered to be not trustworthy, if that is the reason then it's ridiculous. The simple answer is yes, and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 Don't find it that ridiculous alcohol isn't allowed in the stands at football, it's two halves of 45 minutes, can people really attend a football match and not go 4( minutes without? You can drink before, in between halves and after, why the need to drink during? And as others have said people would probably get drenched in alcohol from it being thrown in the air after goals look at the video of the bar in the England v wales game as evidence. Probably best to not be able to if u18's are around, I'm sure parents would be thrilled for their kids to get covered in alcohol. Then the fact you could then have many people constantly wanting to leave their seats to go get drinks, would get annoying your view being blocked regularly as a result. And this is all before more potential violence as a result of more drunk fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted April 18, 2017 Report Share Posted April 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Septic Peg said: Thanks VFTD. Hubby has a PCV/PSV/D licence so all good on the driver front should the need ever arise! Technically he also holds a publican licence too but can't sell beer from the back of a minibus... I can provide A Wan/ker license if that comes in handy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 10 hours ago, RumRed said: Still not allowed, even through the window. If you shut the curtains you're fine. The world's insane, however after being to rugby I don't want drinking in the stands, constantly having to stand up to let a load of hooray's in and out to get rounds in. Went to Twickenham and saw hardly any of the game at all. It's also allowed at cricket. Greyhound racing - not trackside, but from the restaurant you can drink whilst through watching through the windows. This is a pet hate of mine as it shows there is not the same law for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, 22A said: It's also allowed at cricket. Greyhound racing - not trackside, but from the restaurant you can drink whilst through watching through the windows. This is a pet hate of mine as it shows there is not the same law for everyone. It's at the Horse Racing I've seen most drunken violence recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, 22A said: It's also allowed at cricket. Greyhound racing - not trackside, but from the restaurant you can drink whilst through watching through the windows. This is a pet hate of mine as it shows there is not the same law for everyone. Probably because there's not the same history with the fans at cricket and fans are able to mix together without incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 IT is weird the difference between football and rugby, but after being at every home match for both sports this season bar one here are my views; Football fans are far more passionate when watching the game, jumping up not only to celebrate goals but for other things, eg heated parts of the game, bad decisions, to applauded players when subbed etc. Rugby fans rarely seem to get to their feet for anything. Football fans have a drink before the game, maybe have to go to the loo during the game and leave just before HT to get another. Rugby fans drink more, 2 pint jugs are not uncommon. They therefore are constantly getting up and down from their seats to bring drinks back or go to the loo. Missing chunks of the game doesn't seem an issue for them. At football I have never seen disagreements happen because someone has nudged someone and spilt their pint in the stands. At rugby it's a common occurance, party due to rival fans all mixed in together. So to summarise, the rugby drinkers are a pain not only as they are up and down all the time but the way they watch the game. They are there primarily to drink and the game seems to be an afterthought, something they will occasionally glance at. I like to be segregated away from the opposing fans in football, makes the rivalry seem more passionate and intense. I wouldn't want to see pitchside drinking reintroduced at football really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 My general thoughts. Keep segregation- as @RedM says it can see it more passionate and intense, separate 'ends' great stuff. But even if you keep segregation, reintroduce alcohol- it's not the 80s anymore, time has come for FA/Government and the like to allow alcohol in the stands at football I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodridgeandGoater Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 The rule does apply in VIP boxes. I used to do a bit of hospitality work at Wembley. At 10 minutes before kick-off a blind would come down so that the pitch was not, quite literally, 'in view'. This is the workaround to enable boozing in hospitality while remaining within the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 13 hours ago, Neo said: Seems far too precious for football anyway. I bet her tiara nearly fell off when the mean man had a go? Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 19, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 Just now, GoodridgeandGoater said: The rule does apply in VIP boxes. I used to do a bit of hospitality work at Wembley. At 10 minutes before kick-off a blind would come down so that the pitch was not, quite literally, 'in view'. This is the workaround to enable boozing in hospitality while remaining within the law. Very true, been in a box at Wembley and the blind comes down, been in a box at a City game and a curtain is drawn across Back to the OP, not sure drink has ever been allowed in a football league ground - it's not even served in the ground at competitive internationals. BUT, took a friend along to his first ever football match earlier in the season, he wondered back into one of the disabled areas by mistake with a drink and was leapt upon like he had stolen the crown jewels. Equally the way the steward dealt with your situation was wrong - all we can do is take their number and report them for their actions so that they don't act like that again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, RedM said: IT is weird the difference between football and rugby, but after being at every home match for both sports this season bar one here are my views; Football fans are far more passionate when watching the game, jumping up not only to celebrate goals but for other things, eg heated parts of the game, bad decisions, to applauded players when subbed etc. Rugby fans rarely seem to get to their feet for anything. Football fans have a drink before the game, maybe have to go to the loo during the game and leave just before HT to get another. Rugby fans drink more, 2 pint jugs are not uncommon. They therefore are constantly getting up and down from their seats to bring drinks back or go to the loo. Missing chunks of the game doesn't seem an issue for them. At football I have never seen disagreements happen because someone has nudged someone and spilt their pint in the stands. At rugby it's a common occurance, party due to rival fans all mixed in together. So to summarise, the rugby drinkers are a pain not only as they are up and down all the time but the way they watch the game. They are there primarily to drink and the game seems to be an afterthought, something they will occasionally glance at. I like to be segregated away from the opposing fans in football, makes the rivalry seem more passionate and intense. I wouldn't want to see pitchside drinking reintroduced at football really. 12 hours ago, hodge said: Don't find it that ridiculous alcohol isn't allowed in the stands at football, it's two halves of 45 minutes, can people really attend a football match and not go 4( minutes without? You can drink before, in between halves and after, why the need to drink during? And as others have said people would probably get drenched in alcohol from it being thrown in the air after goals look at the video of the bar in the England v wales game as evidence. Probably best to not be able to if u18's are around, I'm sure parents would be thrilled for their kids to get covered in alcohol. Then the fact you could then have many people constantly wanting to leave their seats to go get drinks, would get annoying your view being blocked regularly as a result. And this is all before more potential violence as a result of more drunk fans. Totally agree with both these posts, they are absolutely spot on and sum up what would happen perfectly. As Hodge has said, if you can`t go 45 minutes without the need for a drink you really need to take a serious look at yourself IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 21 hours ago, stevep38 said: But manners cost nothing. The steward should of just quietly pointed it out and asked politely that they returned to the concourse with the drinks. Shouting at and making a scene is not called for. Maybe so, but how well do you keep your patience if say several hundred people have tried the same thing already that day? It's obviously wrong, and the steward should have been polite about it but I bet it gets frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 19, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Maybe so, but how well do you keep your patience if say several hundred people have tried the same thing already that day? It's obviously wrong, and the steward should have been polite about it but I bet it gets frustrating Sadly it's tough - if they chose a customer facing job it is part of their job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevep38 Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, MarcusX said: Maybe so, but how well do you keep your patience if say several hundred people have tried the same thing already that day? It's obviously wrong, and the steward should have been polite about it but I bet it gets frustrating It might get frustrating but professional polite behaviour should always happen. If you can't be polite and professional then maybe the steward shouldn't be in that position. To me polite and professional behaviour should be a minimum requirement in such a job. I certainly wouldn't take kindly to someone being so stroppy with me and would tell him/her in no uncertain terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: Totally agree with both these posts, they are absolutely spot on and sum up what would happen perfectly. As Hodge has said, if you can`t go 45 minutes without the need for a drink you really need to take a serious look at yourself IMO. I have a few people around me who arrive at their seats 10 minutes into the game, take it in turns to have a p*ss over the next 25 minutes and then head for the concourse 10 minutes before half-time......then they repeat the process during the second half. Whilst they are sat in their seats, they hold conversations about anything and everything. I just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 No excuses for stewards being rude if it was a genuine case of not knowing the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 3 hours ago, MarcusX said: Maybe so, but how well do you keep your patience if say several hundred people have tried the same thing already that day? It's obviously wrong, and the steward should have been polite about it but I bet it gets frustrating In which case perhaps a customer facing job isn't for them. Zero excuse for rude behaviour towards supporters if they themselves are being polite and civil and have genuinely just not known the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 I find if you smuggle your drink in in your belly it's all fine and no one says a word....sometimes I can see more than the requisite amount of players on the pitch....joking aside, there's no accounting for tact and I feel a quiet word would've sufficed in this instance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: No excuses for stewards being rude if it was a genuine case of not knowing the rules. Being firm with people can often be mistaken for being rude by some. Some people accept being told they can't do something whilst others resent it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 On 18/04/2017 at 15:48, Nongazeuse said: My two daughters (aged in 20s) attended Friday's match, one for the first time in several years. They both took a glass of cider into the seats in the Lower Dolman stand and were shouted at by a very officious steward and told they were not allowed to bring alcohol to the seats. He also got very angry with other people doing the same thing. Is this actually banned? I have done this myself in the past and indeed one daughter had been to the rugby earlier this year and not been harangued or prevented from doing so. If this is not permitted then it seems odd to market drinks so openly. Is coffee or tea allowed in as well? Whatever the rules I think the steward in question needs some training in basic manners - at least one of my girls was upset enough not to want to return to Ashton Gate. Has this been reported to the Club, otherwise they will not be able to give training in basic manners suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevep38 Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, Dave said: Has this been reported to the Club, otherwise they will not be able to give training in basic manners suggested. You shouldn't have to give training in basic manners. That should be your parents job when a toddler not a grown up. And certainly not in a customer focused position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, stevep38 said: You shouldn't have to give training in basic manners. That should be your parents job when a toddler not a grown up. And certainly not in a customer focused position I obviously agree with all your comments. My point was, has the Club been informed of this situation, to enable appropriate action to be taken, to stop a reoccurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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