The Humble Realist Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Can't believe there isn't a topic on this ?! Surely without flint playing in today's friendly something is going on...if it's just a knock fair enough but why name him amongst the subs if so? I know many will say 'nothing to see here ' but surely at the very least it's a bit suspicious!!
David Brent Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 We know what Flint can do. We didn't have to play him.
robinreliant Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Hörður and Flint will play against Cheltenham and probably the full 90 mins. (According to LJ)
Phileas Fogg Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 It's definitely fishy. It was pretty much a full strength side minus him, so the 'we know what he can do' argument doesn't stand up. He's not injured, surely there can't be any concerns about his fatigue when we were playing against farmers today, was hardly going to be strenuous. He's not old and incapable of playing a few friendlies in a week.. seems a bit strange. Think something is going on personally.
Davefevs Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: Can't believe there isn't a topic on this ?! Surely without flint playing in today's friendly something is going on...if it's just a knock fair enough but why name him amongst the subs if so? I know many will say 'nothing to see here ' but surely at the very least it's a bit suspicious!! No Flint today - and you're trying to start fires...irony
glynriley Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 It could be as simple as LJ wants to give Hegeler time in that role. Didn't he pull out at Yeovil and Flint started? Or he's off! Who knows?
Dollymarie Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Panic not. He's getting locked in the cupboard again tomorrow, and only let out on Tuesday and Friday
ScottishRed Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, samo II said: Lad is going. Nope. This is all OTIB and random twitter speculation .
cheshire_red Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 If Flint and Magnússon start against Cheltenham it rather gives the impression of not knowing which pairing s going to be starting the season. It would only give one game for Flint and Wright to team back up before the season starts.
samo II Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 1 minute ago, ScottishRed said: Nope. This is all OTIB and random twitter speculation . Aye. Of course, of course. Let's see what happens the next day or two before we start dismissing everything.
reddoh Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: Panic not. He's getting locked in the cupboard again tomorrow, and only let out on Tuesday and Friday you will have to let him out on Saturdays soon.
Saunders87 Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 The problem is if and it's a big IF LJ has lied about the situation, again, albeit for the right reasons we literally won't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. I personally think it was solely to get JH minutes as someone mentioned with him pulling out of the Yeovil game he stands to benefit more from the run around.
Lrrr Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, cheshire_red said: If Flint and Magnússon start against Cheltenham it rather gives the impression of not knowing which pairing s going to be starting the season. It would only give one game for Flint and Wright to team back up before the season starts. You expect they will still be doing a lot in training with all the pairings, we're seemingly just giving all the pairs a chance to have a go with each other in match conditions so far. No harm in that.
ScottishRed Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Just now, samo II said: Aye. Of course, of course. So where is the real evidence ? Yeah he didn't play today, but so what he will at Cheltenham - unless injured. Its all piss and wind, there is nothing to suggest he is off at all. Its about as credible as the complete bollocks regarding Tim Krul.
Lrrr Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Saunders87 said: The problem is if and it's a big IF LJ has lied about the situation, again, albeit for the right reasons we literally won't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. I personally think it was solely to get JH minutes as someone mentioned with him pulling out of the Yeovil game he stands to benefit more from the run around. A lot already don't seem to
Saunders87 Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Just now, hodge said: A lot already don't seem to You're right there, as I said in another thread he's got my backing for now. Willing to give him a clean slate and see how we do the first half of the season!
reddoh Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Saunders87 said: The problem is if and it's a big IF LJ has lied about the situation, again, albeit for the right reasons we literally won't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. I personally think it was solely to get JH minutes as someone mentioned with him pulling out of the Yeovil game he stands to benefit more from the run around. I really don't understand why you expect clubs too tell the truth. If they did than every other club would know our teams truths, bad for our club. I fully expect teams too lie and am never disappointed and just remember History is always written by the victors and probably isn't the truth either.
Andy Horsman Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 I'm not seeing a conspiracy. Flint replaced Hegeler in the last match, today was Hegeler's opportunity for a run out at CB. I may be wrong but until a bid is actually accepted, it's all what ifs and maybes.
arrytheb Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 Really? They played for 4/5 months together last season and train most days together. It really wouldn't give the impression of not knowing. Just trying different combinations as who knows what injuries could occur by August 5th
BigTone Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 39 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: Panic not. He's getting locked in the cupboard again tomorrow, and only let out on Tuesday and Friday Dolly !!! I am getting sick of sharing the same bloody cupboard as him all the time.
David Brent Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 45 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It's definitely fishy. It was pretty much a full strength side minus him, so the 'we know what he can do' argument doesn't stand up. What I meant is that Flints availability in the last few seasons has been exemplary but it's still possible that he could be out for the odd game or spell. I agree that was a full strength side (the lineup I expect to see, with Flint in for Hegeler, for Barnsley) but we've never really looked at alternatives at CB. We've tried many midfield pairings, wide players, systems etc but Flint has pretty much been a constant. Its still possible he'll be gone but I'm not looking at that lineup as an indicator of it.
reddoh Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, arrytheb said: Edit: S*** post!! not sure it was, stick with your first thoughts.
INCRED Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 1 hour ago, The Humble Realist said: Can't believe there isn't a topic on this ?! Surely without flint playing in today's friendly something is going on...if it's just a knock fair enough but why name him amongst the subs if so? I know many will say 'nothing to see here ' but surely at the very least it's a bit suspicious!! They wanted to give Hegeler and Wright game time, Flint & Mags will play against Cheltenham - so says LJ today
reddoh Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: Dolly !!! I am getting sick of sharing the same bloody cupboard as him all the time. think yourself lucky that Scott's not come home early but that would explain Luis Suárez's biting
eric04 Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 If LJ is 100% sure Flint will still be here on Aug 5th, then he starts every friendly. No question. But he knows there's a decent chance he won't and he needs to look at alternatives within the squad now rather than after the event. Factually, we haven't had any bids, but plenty of us aren't fooled by comments like that. We all know clubs are monitoring him, waiting for other dominos to fall before they make their move. Flint knows this, the club knows this, his agent will know this. Dont be fooled by some of the comments coming out of AG. Clever use of words and spin. I still think it's more likely he'll be off this window.
pillred Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Saunders87 said: You're right there, as I said in another thread he's got my backing for now. Willing to give him a clean slate and see how we do the first half of the season! that's very patient compared to most on here.
Offside Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 I hope I'm wrong, but I've got a feeling he will go. It's only a matter of time before a club puts in an offer that either City or Flint (or both) will find too good to refuse.
JoeAman08 Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 As has been said, we know what we're getting with Flint. He doesn't like missing games so taking it easy on him now. Could it mean something is brewing? Of course but the club will get a good deal if he goes and we've got ample backup.
steviestevieneville Posted July 22, 2017 Posted July 22, 2017 1 hour ago, The Humble Realist said: Can't believe there isn't a topic on this ?! Surely without flint playing in today's friendly something is going on...if it's just a knock fair enough but why name him amongst the subs if so? I know many will say 'nothing to see here ' but surely at the very least it's a bit suspicious!! YES MY REPLY IS ON CAITALS TO GET ATTENTION . For **** he's not that good , get over it. Very good first ball winner which every team needs and we got a replacement in baily wright . There are a few that don't rate baily , I promise you he is as good a defender if not better than flinty . Plus I think he'll play hegeler there . LJ wants us to play from the back. Flint and wright are very similar defenders . Hegeler can be the sweeper in behind the first ball winner (wright) let's not forget EVERY time a nippy forward gets flint one on one he's like bamby on ice. People get carried away with a players petsonality . Don't get me wrong , flintys been great for us but players come and go , **** it we'll survive .
Major Isewater Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 8 hours ago, reddoh said: I really don't understand why you expect clubs too tell the truth. If they did than every other club would know our teams truths, bad for our club. I fully expect teams too lie and am never disappointed and just remember History is always written by the victors and probably isn't the truth either. I agree and in some respects I found LJ a bit too open with his prematch interviews, may be showing his hand to the opposition or may be ' smoke and mirrors ' .
Major Isewater Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 8 hours ago, BigTone said: Dolly !!! I am getting sick of sharing the same bloody cupboard as him all the time. That must be one helluva sized cupboard !
Saunders87 Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 7 hours ago, pillred said: that's very patient compared to most on here. Lee Johnson fails - Bristol city fail. If LJ truly was the reason behind our bad form last season and Steve Lansdown showing that he will stick with him, this year we might not be so lucky! So I'd rather he was successful and not have to go through another season of disappointment and torture!
BigTone Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 42 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: That must be one helluva sized cupboard ! At least with Scotty in here as well my shirts are all washed and ironed.
class_not_gas Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Dollymarie said: Panic not. He's getting locked in the cupboard again tomorrow, and only let out on Tuesday and Friday With baldock ?
eardun Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 Thread title reminds me of Herman's Hermits for some reason: 'No Flint today, my love has gone away...' Or the little known B side: Relax he's playing at Cheltenham.
Dollymarie Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, class_not_gas said: With baldock ? How many times do I have to repeat myself about that?
downendcity Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 48 minutes ago, eardun said: Thread title reminds me of Herman's Hermits for some reason: 'No Flint today, my love has gone away...' Or the little known B side: Relax he's playing at Cheltenham. Wasn't Relax recorded by Frankie Goes to Benchwood (if we bring in a new keeper)?
reddoh Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Dollymarie said: How many times do I have to repeat myself about that? Perhaps you should explain to us that you only brought the cupboard after Baldock lied to you.
Davefevs Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 10 hours ago, eric04 said: If LJ is 100% sure Flint will still be here on Aug 5th, then he starts every friendly. No question. . So, sod other players getting match fit or getting practice alongside other CBs, should Flint get injured or suspended. If Johnson really thinks Hegeler is a CB this season, then we've 4 decent CBs, all playing for their place....I'd make that 5 personally with Taylor Moore. None of them should be lulled into thinking they are undroppable.
Dollymarie Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, reddoh said: Perhaps you should explain to us that you only brought the cupboard after Baldock lied to you. I technically did, cos I've moved twice since he fibbed to my face!
wendyredredrobin Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 With Moore, Maggs Hegelar and Wright in the squad, We can afford to lose Flint if the price is right. I would miss him though as he wins a lot in the air both at the back and when he goes up for corners. Would miss his commitment too. Question is, what is a good price?
Port Said Red Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 @Dollymarie new forum name...... .. @Oldmotherhubbard
Septic Peg Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 Well I've just watched Scotty's snaps from last night and it was obviously an end of tour party (Frankie on the Bombay sapphire, Marlon walking around with 2 bottles in his hand, Gus is a closet party animal! Some of the staff have managed to get dodgy specs to match Eros!) and Mr Flint was there enjoying himself so I can only assume he was rested yesterday for the friendlies in the week against tougher opposition.
Major Isewater Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 Just now, wendyredredrobin said: With Moore, Maggs Hegelar and Wright in the squad, We can afford to lose Flint if the price is right. I would miss him though as he wins a lot in the air both at the back and when he goes up for corners. Question is, what is a good price? It's as much his character that he will be a big loss when he goes. Like Frankie Fielding , both average players making their way in the game through sheer character and hard work . I highly respect those two .
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 12 hours ago, Saunders87 said: The problem is if and it's a big IF LJ has lied about the situation, again, albeit for the right reasons we literally won't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. I personally think it was solely to get JH minutes as someone mentioned with him pulling out of the Yeovil game he stands to benefit more from the run around. Not too sure who the we are, but words don't literally come out of people's mouths. Surprisingly, we don't carry speech bubbles around with us.
Taz Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 11 hours ago, eric04 said: If LJ is 100% sure Flint will still be here on Aug 5th, then he starts every friendly. No question. So your way of thinking then is to play your best line-up, every game, ready for the start of the season? On this basis then, someone picks up an injury the day before kickoff, and suddenly we throw someone in who has had less of a pre season because he's "not first choice". The majority of players at most clubs, unless injured or out in the cold, will play a decent amount of friendlies. Towards the end, maybe the last 2 games, you'll probably play your strongest 11 to get some continuity, but before that, to expect a player to play every single game, is unrealistic.
Guest Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 Jeez, after years of starting every league and cup game Flint not even allowed to sit out one friendly lest we are unsure how he'll partner a guy he played alongside since January?
cheshire_red Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 13 hours ago, cynic said: That really is too simple for some to understand. 1 hour ago, Taz said: So your way of thinking then is to play your best line-up, every game, ready for the start of the season? On this basis then, someone picks up an injury the day before kickoff, and suddenly we throw someone in who has had less of a pre season because he's "not first choice". The majority of players at most clubs, unless injured or out in the cold, will play a decent amount of friendlies. Towards the end, maybe the last 2 games, you'll probably play your strongest 11 to get some continuity, but before that, to expect a player to play every single game, is unrealistic. According to reports it appears Flint and Wright will only get one game together before the start of the season. Not ideal for the most crucial pairing in the team who have not played together for 3 months. Sorry if that is too simple for some to understand.
The Humble Realist Posted July 23, 2017 Author Posted July 23, 2017 Who else didn't play a single minute ? Was it just flint out of the potential regulars
eric04 Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Taz said: So your way of thinking then is to play your best line-up, every game, ready for the start of the season? On this basis then, someone picks up an injury the day before kickoff, and suddenly we throw someone in who has had less of a pre season because he's "not first choice". The majority of players at most clubs, unless injured or out in the cold, will play a decent amount of friendlies. Towards the end, maybe the last 2 games, you'll probably play your strongest 11 to get some continuity, but before that, to expect a player to play every single game, is unrealistic. You honestly think Flint wouldn't have started these games if there was uncertainty? My point is, there's clearly more going on than the party line of "we've had no bids so he's going nowhere"
HoldenBall Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, eric04 said: You honestly think Flint wouldn't have started these games if there was uncertainty? My point is, there's clearly more going on than the party line of "we've had no bids so he's going nowhere" You're basing this on not playing one friendly? He's played 90 minutes in every other friendly we played, even against Yeovil when the speculation to Leeds was at it's hottest.
BarnzFM Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 14 hours ago, cheshire_red said: If Flint and Magnússon start against Cheltenham it rather gives the impression of not knowing which pairing s going to be starting the season. It would only give one game for Flint and Wright to team back up before the season starts. You don't play your strongest team in friendliest, it's about getting the squad up to match fitness hence the chopping and changing
chinapig Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 32 minutes ago, cheshire_red said: According to reports it appears Flint and Wright will only get one game together before the start of the season. Not ideal for the most crucial pairing in the team who have not played together for 3 months. Sorry if that is too simple for some to understand. It may be simple but the logic of your argument is surely that only the first choice 11 should play in pre-season games as they will all have forgotten how to do their jobs during the summer. If it applies to Flint it presumably applies to everybody. Which leaves you with much of the squad having had no match practice.
BarnzFM Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, eric04 said: You honestly think Flint wouldn't have started these games if there was uncertainty? My point is, there's clearly more going on than the party line of "we've had no bids so he's going nowhere" It's s preseason friendy, every chance of him not starting
chinapig Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, eric04 said: You honestly think Flint wouldn't have started these games if there was uncertainty? My point is, there's clearly more going on than the party line of "we've had no bids so he's going nowhere" It's not clear at all, you are making an assumption and presenting it as fact. We'll see what happens in due course but in the meantime Flint sitting out one game does not prove he is leaving. Any more than Bryan playing proves he isn't.
eric04 Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, Sergio Georgini said: You're basing this on not playing one friendly? He's played 90 minutes in every other friendly we played, even against Yeovil when the speculation to Leeds was at it's hottest. But he only played because hegeler got injured in the warm up.
The Humble Realist Posted July 23, 2017 Author Posted July 23, 2017 Just now, chinapig said: It's not clear at all, you are making an assumption and presenting it as fact. We'll see what happens in due course but in the meantime Flint sitting out one game does not prove he is leaving. Any more than Bryan playing proves he isn't. Don't think it's 'proof'...but surely it's a bit suspicious given the spectulation?
glynriley Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, eric04 said: But he only played because hegeler got injured in the warm up. Which could also be the reason he never played yesterday. Maybe they were both only going to start 1 game each??
samo II Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 I don't think it is 'nailed on' that he'll go or anything, but I am convinced there is fire under this smoke, based off the type of people who've been talking to me about it I.e. those you don't give a tinker's cuss about Bristol City, nor trade in gossip. This next week should be interesting, to say the least.
HoldenBall Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, eric04 said: But he only played because hegeler got injured in the warm up. Well it's been confirmed he's starting against Cheltenham so panic over.
chinapig Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: Don't think it's 'proof'...but surely it's a bit suspicious given the spectulation? If you are suspicious by nature perhaps. I take Glyn Riley's point though, i.e.Flint and Hegeler effectively swapped games, as it is based on fact rather than speculation.
BobBobSuperBob Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Sergio Georgini said: Well it's been confirmed he's starting against Cheltenham so panic over. Only because Leeds want another chance to look at him before they commit Baulking at the price apparently
chinapig Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Only because Leeds want another chance to look at him before they commit Baulking at the price apparently Neatly shows how you can draw the same inference from opposite facts. Subtle.
BRISTOL86 Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 Observing the utter meltdown on here would almost soften the blow
samo II Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, Sergio Georgini said: Well it's been confirmed he's starting against Cheltenham so panic over. I hope so; would rather we kept him. But Tomlin was official just 'injured' until his move was pretty much done, so I'm not sure it means much. 17 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Only because Leeds want another chance to look at him before they commit Baulking at the price apparently The thing is; we may think having a long contract bumps the price, but worth keeping in mind we bought Mags for a relatively paltry sum compared to those mentioned for Flint. I think if (which it very much is) we let him go, it'll be because he expressed an interest in doing so, and we'll get a lot less than some people have suggested he's worth. He's worth a fair wedge to us; others may view his cost as less steep, even if they want him. 5 minutes ago, chinapig said: Neatly shows how you can draw the same inference from opposite facts. Subtle. I think we've seen enough smoke and mirrors when it comes to transfers (both in our favour and to our detriment) that being 'assured' anything by the club one way or the other means very little. I suspect Flint may have not played at Yeovil at all were Hegeler not injured; had that occurred, much of the chat dismissing his absence yesterday would look like wishful thinking. I think we'll know this week whether the clubs involved have done enough to sell Flint on them, and we're being offered what we'd want for him. May you live in interesting times, as the age old curse goes...
chinapig Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, samo II said: I hope so; would rather we kept him. But Tomlin was official just 'injured' until his move was pretty much done, so I'm not sure it means much. The thing is; we may think having a long contract bumps the price, but worth keeping in mind we bought Mags for a relatively paltry sum compared to those mentioned for Flint. I think if (which it very much is) we let him go, it'll be because he expressed an interest in doing so, and we'll get a lot less than some people have suggested he's worth. He's worth a fair wedge to us; others may view his cost as less steep, even if they want him. I think we've seen enough smoke and mirrors when it comes to transfers (both in our favour and to our detriment) that being 'assured' anything by the club one way or the other means very little. I suspect Flint may have not played at Yeovil at all were Hegeler not injured; had that occurred, much of the chat dismissing his absence yesterday would look like wishful thinking. I think we'll know this week whether the clubs involved have done enough to sell Flint on them, and we're being offered what we'd want for him. May you live in interesting times, as the age old curse goes... But my point was that Bob had skilfully shown how you can take both the fact that Flint plays in a game or that he doesn't as evidence to support a conclusion that has already been reached. We already knew that Flint wasn't due to play at Yeovil, which immediately led to people to conclude he was a goner. As indeed did somebody deciding he looked a bit grumpy when he got off the coach. Then he played when Hegeler dropped out so he was staying but once he fairly predictably dropped out yesterday to give Hegeler the game he had missed that was again proof he is off. He may yet go, though not on the cheap I'm sure, but until now we have just had conspiracy thinking, including the usual assertion that the club is lying, presented as evidence. For me Occam's razor always applies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
eardun Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 So this thread has established: - that Flint not playing in a friendly means he's leaving - that Flint playing in a friendly means he's leaving - that Flint should play every friendly, even though that may mean he's leaving and if he is, other CBs won't get sufficient match practice - that Flint playing v Yeovil was because Hegeler was injured and not because Hegeler is leaving - that Hegeler playing in Tenerife was because he isn't injured or leaving but because Flint is leaving - that Flint is playing v Cheltenham because he is or isn't leaving and because he didn't play in Tenerife - that Hegeler isn't playing v Cheltenham because he played in Tenerife and didn't play in Yeovil and nothing to do with him leaving - that Flint needs to play with Wright more, but he won't be v Cheltenham - that Flint should be kept in a cupboard - that no one has suggested that Flint should be wrapped in cotton wool. That's all clear then.
robinreliant Posted July 23, 2017 Posted July 23, 2017 So if Flint goes to Leeds in season 2019/20 somebody will say there you are I told you so.
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