Red Army 75 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Which is understandable. What pisses me off is the bullshit that Flint comes out with the other night to @RedM about how it's not in his hands and acting all mopey. Why pretend it's not what you want when it's clearly what you want as you indicated it to the club months ago ! Exactly. When I read that Friday night . It didn't make sense . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Which is understandable. What pisses me off is the bullshit that Flint comes out with the other night to @RedM about how it's not in his hands and acting all mopey. Why pretend it's not what you want when it's clearly what you want as you indicated it to the club months ago ! It really is just a job to these players. Can you blame them? It's a short career, if I was a player I'd probably do the same. We like the idea that players have an emotional connection to the club, but mostly they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: What pisses me off is the bullshit that Flint comes out with the other night to @RedM about how it's not in his hands and acting all mopey. Why pretend it's not what you want when it's clearly what you want as you indicated it to the club months ago ! It is not in his hands. The club wants to sell him so he has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: Is Gregor MacGregor the journalistic Boaty McBoatface? Some think the Head Coach is Bully MacBullshit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It really is just a job to these players. Can you blame them? It's a short career, if I was a player I'd probably do the same. We like the idea that players have an emotional connection to the club, but mostly they don't. Spot on . The fans only have the real connection. Some players become fans. Some owners are fans. But majority of players it's a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Stupid of Flint's agent to have him sign a long term deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 18 minutes ago, Robbored said: That might be because LJ doesn't see him as captain material. Obviously Wilbs was the prefect choice but after him, only LJ knows. I think he's one of those players that is 100% focused on his own game that means he wouldn't make a great pick. @RedM has allured to him in the past being in the zone pre match and barely talking to anyone.. that's not what you need from a captain. Not saying that's a bad thing just that it doesn't suit the role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Stupid of Flint's agent to have him sign a long term deal No it's not. It means that City can demand a bigger wedge when he's being transferred - like now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Just now, Robbored said: No it's not. It means that City can demand a bigger wedge when he's being transferred - like now! Stupid of Flint's agent then. The more City get the less Flint's agent/Flint get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Just now, bristolcitysweden said: Stupid of Flint's agent then. The more City get the less Flint's agent/Flint get Erm.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Just now, Robbored said: Erm.......... It's one cake meaning the total amount of money Birmingham are prepared to pay to get Flint. If City get a bigger part of the cake it's less for Flint's agent/Flint to enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 28 minutes ago, Benni said: It is not in his hands. The club wants to sell him so he has to go. Gutting. But not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 It's interesting how regardless of what is actually said publically, people who claim to be 'in the know' manage to find narratives that fit their agendas. It would be impossible for anyone to be less 'ITK' than me- I am the Jon Snow of OTIB- so I would never accuse anyone of lying, but when you have some people claiming "I've heard Flint's being forced out" and others saying" I've heard his greedy agent is stirring the pot" someone is telling porkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Wright and Hegeler for Saturday please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 2, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Spot the typo.... Or let's hope it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 37 minutes ago, Benni said: It is not in his hands. The club wants to sell him so he has to go. How is it not? It's quite obvious that Flint/agent are looking for a move but people have rose tinted Flint glasses and cannot he see he may want to move. Tbh I don't blame him - He's done well for us and to him its only another job but more money. The whole cult hero status has people blinded IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 2, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 43 minutes ago, Benni said: It is not in his hands. The club wants to sell him so he has to go. Of course it is, he sorted himself a new contract last summer, if he wasn't interested in leaving why is his agent touting his name around? If he wanted to stay it's very easy for him to get that message to other clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desso Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 15 minutes ago, phantom said: Spot the typo.... Or let's hope it is The club is under pressure to sell any players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, phantom said: Of course it is, he sorted himself a new contract last summer, if he wasn't interested in leaving why is his agent touting his name around? If he wanted to stay it's very easy for him to get that message to other clubs Lee and Mark want to sell him. The club sets the price (not Flint) and Lee selects the team (not Flint). This means he's not playing if he stays and his agent has to promote him to other clubs. So, obviously, the situation is out of his hands. Why is that so difficult to understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 2, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Benni said: Lee and Mark want to sell him. The club sets the price (not Flint) and Lee selects the team (not Flint). This means he's not playing if he stays and his agent has to promote him to other clubs. So, obviously, the situation is out of his hands. Why is that so difficult to understand? Since when have they wanted to sell Flint? Why in press conference does LJ state we don't have to sell them? Do you honestly think this is being driven by the club and not Flint and his agent? Do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Benni said: Lee and Mark want to sell him. The club sets the price (not Flint) and Lee selects the team (not Flint). This means he's not playing if he stays and his agent has to promote him to other clubs. So, obviously, the situation is out of his hands. Why is that so difficult to understand? That scenario is not difficult to understand but it is only one of the scenarios that has been suggested? Why should this version be the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Benni said: It is not in his hands. The club wants to sell him so he has to go. After being told by his agent - not even himself - that they wanted to explore what other clubs could offer him, despite having signed a new long term deal? Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Just now, phantom said: Do you honestly think this is being driven by the club and not Flint and his agent? I'm not ITK, but simply processing the various (and there are a lot) versions of events that I've seen (not necessarily all posted publicly), I have a feeling the truth is probably one which technically satisfies both versions of events, but certainly doesn't admonish the club in the way some are using today's video to do. At a guess from piecing together storylines: Flint is another of the players to fallen out with the manager, principally because he cares a lot about City, as has long been evidenced by his on-field demeanour. He was someone who was loyal to the promotion team and Cotterill in particular, and never truly settled under Jonhson. When the summer came round, both sides knew he would be considering his options. Now suppose for a minute there is a much earlier unreported offer this summer, that wasn't communicated to Flint. He may feel betrayed in addition to his frustration at the direction of the club. Now he does want out but the club hold all the cards. In this situation you have someone who dearly loves the club (so people saying that are correct) but has run out of the patience with those in charge. You also have a club that doesn't want to sell (so people saying that are correct), but has pushed the player to the brink and ultimately now has to and is engineering a sale (see: Baker). This is conjecture of course, but I can't find a better way to reconcile everything I've read and heard. Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Olé said: I'm not ITK, but simply processing the various (and there are a lot) versions of events that I've seen (not necessarily all posted publicly), I have a feeling the truth is probably one which technically satisfies both versions of events, but certainly doesn't admonish the club in the way some are using today's video to do. At a guess from piecing together storylines: Flint is another of the players to fallen out with the manager, principally because he cares a lot about City, as has long been evidenced by his on-field demeanour. He was someone who was loyal to the promotion team and Cotterill in particular, and never truly settled under Jonhson. When the summer came round, both sides knew he would be considering his options. Now suppose for a minute there is a much earlier unreported offer this summer, that wasn't communicated to Flint. He may feel betrayed in addition to his frustration at the direction of the club. Now he does want out but the club hold all the cards. In this situation you have someone who dearly loves the club (so people saying that are correct) but has run out of the patience with those in charge. You also have a club that doesn't want to sell (so people saying that are correct), but has pushed the player to the brink and ultimately now has to and is engineering a sale (see: Baker). This is conjecture of course, but I can't find a better way to reconcile everything I've read and heard. Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle. Interesting post as usual Olé. Just my personal opinion but I don't know if Flint 'cares a lot about City' or 'loves the club' though. It's not as if he's an academy boy or a player that's been here years and got married, had kids here and has an emotional attachment. He was part of one exceptional squad and I would say a more likely reality is that he cares a lot about that squad and the manager at that time rather than Bristol City FC per se. The only two players in recent history (last 5 years or so) that spring to mind for me as examples of those that have come from outside with no connection and left caring a lot about the club are Adomah and Stead. I think those in that promotion squad care are very close though, they all seem to go to each others weddings and go on holiday together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 34 minutes ago, phantom said: Spot the typo.... Or let's hope it is I had just screensaved the very thing so I could post it. Just goes to prove you should read everything before commenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Robbored said: That might be because LJ doesn't see him as captain material. Obviously Wilbs was the prefect choice but after him, only LJ knows. Nonsense, he's been asked if he'll take the captaincy more than once and turned it down to concentrate on his own game. His own game, btw, that naturally includes leading by example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, bristolcitysweden said: Stupid of Flint's agent then. The more City get the less Flint's agent/Flint get That's not how it works. In fact it will be quite the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Nonsense, he's been asked if he'll take the captaincy more than once and turned it down to concentrate on his own game. His own game, btw, that naturally includes leading by example. Just putting it out there.. but doesn't turning down the captaincy indicate he hasn't got the mental toughness to be captain? Surely it's a bit like penalty takers and the mental side of that, you want your strikers to be demanding to be first up in a shoot out - likewise, you want your leaders and more experienced players to be demanding captaincy if it's available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Not sure why Flint would feel betrayed by the club. Plays every game even when he's not at his best and there's been more investment in the squad than ever since Cotterill left. From what LJ said today, Flint made it known - via his agent - some time ago that he wanted to start exploring how well other clubs wouldn't pay him and he feels betrayed?! I think I must have missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Just putting it out there.. but doesn't turning down the captaincy indicate he hasn't got the mental toughness to be captain? Surely it's a bit like penalty takers and the mental side of that, you want your strikers to be demanding to be first up in a shoot out - likewise, you want your leaders and more experienced players to be demanding captaincy if it's available. Not really imo., perhaps he's satisfied being a natural leader on the pitch but doesn't welcome the other/off field responsibilities that might go with being captain. After all, he wouldn't have to change his game at all, he's basically a captain every time he plays, bar wearing the armband and having the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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