OldlandReddies Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Great news for all you football gamblers out there....get on Cheltenham to win this weekend and Hinds to score anytime ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted August 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 57 minutes ago, NickJ said: Sir Alex sold Ferguson as soon as he realised he wasn't good enough, for Man Utd. It just took a couple of dozen appearances (including 15 consecutive PL appearances) and a few years for him to realise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I've not read the whole of this thread. And I'm benefitting from a free Gin bar (12 choices since 1pm), but if anyone thinks that this move is nothing to do with SL being bezzy mates with GJ (and LJ being his son), then they're incredibly dense. It is beyond belief that TM would benefit from going down a league. And quite frankly I think it's ridiculous (even though I'm a massive fan of GJ), that anyone would think he'd benefit from a few months in league two. What a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I've not read the whole of this thread. And I'm benefitting from a free Gin bar (12 choices since 1pm), but if anyone thinks that this move is nothing to do with SL being bezzy mates with GJ (and LJ being his son), then they're incredibly dense. It is beyond belief that TM would benefit from going down a league. And quite frankly I think it's ridiculous (even though I'm a massive fan of GJ), that anyone would think he'd benefit from a few months in league two. What a complete joke. I think people would be incredibly dense if they think these deals are done over Johnsons kitchen table without any input from the players or their agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Big C said: I think people would be incredibly dense if they think these deals are done over Johnsons kitchen table without any input from the players or their agents Clearly they're not done like that, but I bet they're not as far away from that as you'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: Clearly they're not done like that, but I bet they're not as far away from that as you'd think. These players still have agents though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Big C said: These players still have agents though They do. But I bet they have no to no input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Reflecting on this Moore is the only mildly surprising one. Hinds and Morrell will benefit from the gametime at league level. Although he's had early season form, none of us can say for sure whether Hinds would thrive at L1 yet. Bit worrying - mainly for his own sake - that Moore is regressing it seems. Hope they all do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: They do. But I bet they have no to no input. Not very good agents then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Big C said: Not very good agents then Do you think agents give a shot about moves that have no money involved? Of course they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: Do you think agents give a shot about moves that have no money involved? Of course they don't. Well they might if it potentially lowers the value of their client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: Do you think agents give a shot about moves that have no money involved? Of course they don't. It's laughable if you think that any agent would let his client go to a club just to help the managers dad out if there were better offers on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Big C said: It's laughable if you think that any agent would let his client go to a club just to help the managers dad out if there were better offers on the table. Depends if they have other options hat the club are willing to accept. I think you're giving agents too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Do you think agents give a shot about moves that have no money involved? Of course they don't. They might not give a shit about the deal, but I suspect if they don't bother fighting their clients corner when the player is unhappy, they'd find themselves clientless pretty quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Depends if they have other options hat the club are willing to accept. I think you're giving agents too much credit. The player has a big say in it too. If they dont want to go then they can turn it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Depends if they have other options hat the club are willing to accept. I think you're giving agents too much credit. I think you are giving your conspiracy theory to much credence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, Big C said: It's laughable if you think that any agent would let his client go to a club just to help the managers dad out if there were better offers on the table. 12 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Depends if they have other options hat the club are willing to accept. I think you're giving agents too much credit. Fordy I can see you've been a big downer for the last 8 months. Do you think these loan deals will scupper our season or the chances of these young lads in regards to their future ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, stephenkibby. said: Fordy I can see you've been a big downer for the last 8 months. Do you think these loan deals will scupper our season or the chances of these young lads in regards to their future ? I think they'll be beneficial for the three lads concerned when compared with their prospects of sitting on our bench, or worse, not being in the match day squad. However, do I think we've chosen to send out our loanees to the best possible places? Especially in the case of Moore and Hinds, no. I definitely don't. I strongly suspect there would've been better offers from people who aren't GJ. So, do I think our loans would've been sent to Cheltenham if GJ wasn't LJ's dad? No. Definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I think they'll be beneficial for the three lads concerned when compared with their prospects of sitting on our bench, or worse, not being in the match day squad. However, do I think we've chosen to send out our loanees to the best possible places? Especially in the case of Moore and Hinds, no. I definitely don't. I strongly suspect there would've been better offers from people who aren't GJ. So, do I think our loans would've been sent to Cheltenham if GJ wasn't LJ's dad? No. Definitely not. Do you think the better clubs would definitely have been willing to offer regular game time for the players? That is the crux of it for me. Don't overly care who the club is, but regular minutes at the highest level where that is on offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I think they'll be beneficial for the three lads concerned when compared with their prospects of sitting on our bench, or worse, not being in the match day squad. However, do I think we've chosen to send out our loanees to the best possible places? Especially in the case of Moore and Hinds, no. I definitely don't. I strongly suspect there would've been better offers from people who aren't GJ. So, do I think our loans would've been sent to Cheltenham if GJ wasn't LJ's dad? No. Definitely not. I agree, the Cheltenham connection is good for us and I think people have got it round the wrong way. It's not us doing Cheltenham a favour it's them doing us one and giving these lads league football when they otherwise wouldn't be getting any Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I'm wondering how much of their wages is being paid by Town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 33 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: The player has a big say in it too. If they dont want to go then they can turn it down. Of course they can. Best put in a Transfer Request at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, cheshire_red said: Of course they can. Best put in a Transfer Request at the same time Christ, Engvall is taking his time writing his out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 His card is well and truly marked presently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: I think they'll be beneficial for the three lads concerned when compared with their prospects of sitting on our bench, or worse, not being in the match day squad. However, do I think we've chosen to send out our loanees to the best possible places? Especially in the case of Moore and Hinds, no. I definitely don't. I strongly suspect there would've been better offers from people who aren't GJ. So, do I think our loans would've been sent to Cheltenham if GJ wasn't LJ's dad? No. Definitely not. Much better than I was trying to type....ta. 1 hour ago, Big C said: I agree, the Cheltenham connection is good for us and I think people have got it round the wrong way. It's not us doing Cheltenham a favour it's them doing us one and giving these lads league football when they otherwise wouldn't be getting any Don't disagree that CTFC is a good option for us as a club overall, just don't think it's the right move for Moore (definitely in my head) or Hinds (think he'd be better training with our first team every day)...but good for Morrell. It shouldn't be a one stop shop for our loanees. Yeah, I know DDG has gone to Chesterfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Good interview with Taylor today from cheltenham: Said he knew for sometime he was looking for a loan this season, so has been looking "for something suitable for me and a place where I can get as many games as possible" and "Cheltenham is not too far from Bristol....so it has all planned out nicely". Also said "when you're looking for a loan...you have to choose the right club that will give you the most opportunity and game time....Cheltenham was obviously the right choice because I feel I can help the team in a massive way....so after talking it through with the manager, with my agent and with Lee Johnson, it felt right" On going out on loan, he said that going out to Bury last season "was probably the best thing I've ever done, to go out and play league football week in week out, that's where you're going to learn the most" Spoke well as always, good to hear some words from the horses mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just out of interest, as comparisons were being made on this thread. Luke Steele was signed for £500k from Darren Fergusons Peterborough by Alex Fergusons Manchester United at 17. That was a lot of money 15 years ago, he never played a first team game for Manchester United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 On 30/08/2017 at 22:25, Fordy62 said: I think they'll be beneficial for the three lads concerned when compared with their prospects of sitting on our bench, or worse, not being in the match day squad. However, do I think we've chosen to send out our loanees to the best possible places? Especially in the case of Moore and Hinds, no. I definitely don't. I strongly suspect there would've been better offers from people who aren't GJ. So, do I think our loans would've been sent to Cheltenham if GJ wasn't LJ's dad? No. Definitely not. If say maybe two of the three musketeers tare it up it up in league two this season(especially when it comes to the 'crunch),would another club maybe have genuine grounds to cry "fowl play..nepotism'..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert the bruce said: If say maybe two of the three musketeers tare it up it up in league two this season(especially when it comes to the 'crunch),would another club maybe have genuine grounds to cry "fowl play..nepotism'..?? Nope. City can loan players to whoever they like i'm pretty sure. Its when we send Đurić, Maggers and O'Neill there in January that the moaning might start...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 On 30/08/2017 at 17:16, bristolcitysweden said: Half of the players in L2 are overaged fattys that hardly can run So little danger of our lads being caught with a nasty foul then. You have a bit of a point concerning bad tackles but the talented youngsters would have had this all their lives and dealt with it in order to become professional footballers. There is always a risk wherever and whenever you enter the field of play or even in training . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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