Hinds, Moore and Morrell join Cheltenham

[View from the Dolman]

Confirmed:

Joe Morrell, Taylor Moore and Freddie Hinds have joined Cheltenham Town on loan until January 1st.

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/trio-join-cheltenham-on-loan/

[JasonM88]

Oh ffs, Hinds and Moore could've got much better loans than that. I'm fed up of this. 

[Phileas Fogg]

Hmm, good move for Morrell but would've liked Hinds and Moore to be at a higher level really.

Bit concerning that Moore has regressed in the quality of club he's being loaned to.

Hope all 3 are starting each game.

[glynriley]

So 'ones for the future' translates to 'help for our Dad'!!!

Taylor Moore in particular must be regretting joining us. From U-20 England skipper to league 2 loanee in little over a year.

[Top Robin]

Think Hinds would have been a good first team back up 

[Guest]

Joke of a manager...........the pair of them.

[RumRed]

Ridiculous, if I were Hinds or Moore I'd be looking for a way out asap.

Not so sure about Morrell.

[Lrrr]

Wonder if Hinds and Moore had other options, can't loan them out if no one offers to take them and all. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Top Robin said:

Think Hinds would have been a good first team back up 

in one mate, I`d rather have him playing than the 5m man at the moment

[RedM]

Close enough to keep a proper eye on though. Hope we will benefit as much as Cheltenham, they must be delighted with the trio they are getting. Can we recall if needed?

[Port Said Red]

I did wonder about Moore when I saw that Cheltenham's main defensive signing from Hibs, got a long term injury on Saturday. I wonder if they will still be training with us?

[screech]

They get some proper football for a few months, if they are good enough at that level, in January I expect them to get a step up to a league 1 club.  We shall see where they are then. 

[spudski]

It's only for 4 months.

Don't knock where they are going to. I think it will suit all parties, more so us tbh. It will be easier to keep an eye on their progression, not just through match's, but in training as well.

Plus the relationship with manager will be more trustworthy, I should imagine.

For what it's worth, I was really impressed with Plavotic last night....his development has come on leaps and bounds since joining Cheltenham.

They'll get plenty of game time and better development at Cheltenham, than some random club we've got no 'affiliation' with imo.

[Nick Wilde]

Should be regular football and it's only until 1st of Jan.

[View from the Dolman]

4 minutes ago, RedM said:

Close enough to keep a proper eye on though. Hope we will benefit as much as Cheltenham, they must be delighted with the trio they are getting. Can we recall if needed?

No, you can't recall outside of the transfer window.

[Bris Red]

Taylor Moore's career is going backwards and fast isn't it? Jeez.

[JoeAman08]

Hinds has made about 3 senior appearances in his career and wasn't going to get many more here now Taylor is fit, Woodrow is in and Leko can play there. I don't think he'd have had L1 clubs lining up for him. 

Morrell looks close and perhaps this is his next step to play men's football every week and see where he stands in January. He looks close to being able to play in that Korey Smith role. 

Taylor Moore is an odd one. What I'll be looking for from him is to be starting every game for them at CB. He's not a RB any time I've seen him play there so he needs games in England at CB. 

Its easy to get negative about it because it's LJs fathers club but it's close to home for all of them and it's in the league. All 3 of them need the playing time. My biggest concern is can all 3 of them be in the same matchday squad? Anyway, I think it could be a very good move for all 3 of them. 

[underhanded]

Bit odd to blame the club for supposed player regression. I'm sure if a club at a higher level were guaranteeing 1st team football to the likes of Moore we would have given him the opportunity. Perhaps, this is where they're at.

If they play well, maybe the can get a better loan in Jan, or better still, force their way into the 1st team. Good move IMO

 

[Port Said Red]

2 minutes ago, bris red said:

Taylor Moore's career is going backwards and fast isn't it? Jeez.

Another one that needs to handle the tougher side of the game better? He is certainly going to come up against some tough nuts in that league. 

[Buckeyed]

We only have 1 day to find them loans if they aren't going to be first team regulars. If there wasn't any League 1 clubs interested then I can certainly see the logic.

[Bris Red]

1 minute ago, Port Said Red said:

Another one that needs to handle the tougher side of the game better? He is certainly going to come up against some tough nuts in that league. 

I think there is massive massive pressure on Moore now, I mean if all is well and he stays fit he HAS to impress at League 2 level and command a starting place. If he doesn't you've got to wonder what future he has here really or at any championship club.

[Roadrunner]

I know it only till the end of the year. I know his only trying to help daddy out. I for one am getting feed up with loaning out this players for us only to replace them with other loan players from other clubs.Give them a run of 5 to 6 games in the first team, if they are not good enough after that then loan them out.

[View from the Dolman]

5 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

My biggest concern is can all 3 of them be in the same matchday squad?

Yes, they can.

There's a limit of 5 loans in any EFL matchday squad.

There is a limit of 4 loans from any one club in a season. No more than 2 of these players can be aged over 23.

[View from the Dolman]

1 minute ago, Roadrunner said:

I know it only till the end of the year. I know his only trying to help daddy out. I for one am getting feed up with loaning out this players for us only to replace them with other loan players from other clubs.Give them a run of 5 to 6 games in the first team, if they are not good enough after that then loan them out.

If we give anyone a run now, the window will be shut and we can only loan to the Conference and below.

[Port Said Red]

2 minutes ago, bris red said:

I think there is massive massive pressure on Moore now, I mean if all is well and he stays fit he HAS to impress at League 2 level and command a starting place. If he doesn't you've got to wonder what future he has here really or at any championship club.

I agree, I think he will play every game if fit though, I am sure that will be part of the deal. I would like to think that he will be used at centre back as well, although he apparently did well at Bury he was used primarily at right back and that's not his future goal. I think this will work out well, I wonder if they will still train with us a day a week? 

[Nogbad the Bad]

Leaving out the father and son thing these 3 going to Cheltenham seems fine to me.

Hopefully plenty of games for each of them and having Morrell build an understanding with Hinds in league football seems positive to me.

All those saying it's a duff move for Taylor Moore, well, from what I've seen he's got everything to prove, and a few months playing regularly at CB at Cheltenham gives him a good base to start doing just that.

Good luck to all 3.

[Lrrr]

2 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

I know it only till the end of the year. I know his only trying to help daddy out. I for one am getting feed up with loaning out this players for us only to replace them with other loan players from other clubs.Give them a run of 5 to 6 games in the first team, if they are not good enough after that then loan them out.

Problem being they'd have needed to have been involved in pretty much every game from the start to get that run of games. If we don't loan them now we'd have to wait till January.

[RedRoss]

I think people are overacting about the destination of these players.

Just because TM has played for U20 England doesn't automatically mean he is ready for competitive mens football in a top L1 club. He has to earn that right.

Freddie Hinds looks very promising with his cup goals and contribution but remember he had only played a tiny amount of minutes with Luton's first team last year. He is hardly the finished article when it comes to experience.

Morrell needs to shine in this loan and push on. This is probably a step up to what he has been playing week in week out.

 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

The loans are the right way ahead, but I had hoped for a league 1 club for each. If it means definite game time however, it might work out. Only pity for me, is that Freddie won't get the chance of a hat-trick (of sorts) with a goal against Stoke in the Carabao Cup. 

[westred1]

Taylor reportedly turned back to pre-season out of sorts, shall we say. Not sure what's happened with him - whether it's attitude, coaching or acclimatising to the EFL.

Joe almost signed for another League Two club but they needed loan players in other positions.

Freddie should excel. Like a previous poster said, it's only four months. If he bangs them in at fourth tier level then the next step will be League One. People are blinded by the fact he's scored two great goals and automatically think he should be in and around the first team. As good as his potential is, he's got a lot to work on before being ahead of what we have. Good move for him.

[Roadrunner]

Yes i agree the timing is a problem. But you could still play them in the u23s, and sell them or loan them in January. Why the transfer window is still open weeks into the European football season is beyond me.Should be closed the day before the season starts in which ever division, country the player is going to.

[Kid in the Riot]

Imagine my surprise

[Bristol Rob]

Hinds, Morrell and Moore.

If it goes wrong at Cheltenham they could open a firm of personal injury claims specialists 

[spudski]

19 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Another one that needs to handle the tougher side of the game better? He is certainly going to come up against some tough nuts in that league. 

Exactly...the downside to having players come in from abroad, regardless of experience, is that it is a shock to their system just how fast and physical the Championship is.

Some adapt quicker better than others...others don't, both physically, mentally, turn of speed, strength, mind, tactics etc.

Even an old head like Pisano is finding the pace and physicality brutal.

It's imo, the toughest league in the world to play football in.

Take into consideration also how we are proposing to play, fast high tempo, with lots of pressing and movement, then you need to be spot on, as the margins are so fine. Just a deflected shot, like against Villa, make all the difference between 3 points or 1....do that over a season and it costs you.

Interesting what Holden was saying yesterday when being interviewed at the training session. Two for each position.

Moore will find games harder in this league and below, than playing U20's for England and for Lens, as it was against far less physical players and more time on the ball.

[Guest Benjam!n Ultra]

THIS IS EXTREMELY SURPRISING. 

[Taz]

10 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

I know it only till the end of the year. I know his only trying to help daddy out. I for one am getting feed up with loaning out this players for us only to replace them with other loan players from other clubs.Give them a run of 5 to 6 games in the first team, if they are not good enough after that then loan them out.

But the point is, now that the transfer rules have been changed so that no loans are allowed outside of the windows, after playing 5-6 games and realising they're not ready yet, we can't do anything with them until the January window opens, other than playing them in the under 23s.

This way they're getting games at a decent level, and if they can't hack it there, then they most definitely aren't ready for our first team.

If you ask me the loan window should have been left alone, largely due to the reasons you state in your first post. Too many clubs were using it though as an addition to the permanent window, by signing loans, and then making the deals permanent as soon as possible after that. I'm not sure of the exact reasons for it changing, but wouldnt be surprised if that was one of the reasons for it.

[Portland Bill]

2 minutes ago, Buckeyed said:

We only have 1 day to find them loans if they aren't going to be first team regulars. If there wasn't any League 1 clubs interested then I can certainly see the logic.

I very much doubt if any timescale came into this, Johnson junior and senior would have had this set up for a while.

To me it's a case of, helping Dad is more important than what's best for BCFC. These players should be going to teams where they will be coached into becoming better players, it won't happen at Cheltenham. Johny Smith was on loan there last season, he's now gone down a level to the Conference?? That loan really worked for BCFC then!. It seriously makes me wonder if the 'supposed' signing players for the future,is actually, signing players to loan out to Dad. 

I personally have had enough of the Johnsons being more important to each other than our football club.

 

[RedRaw]

With regard to Taylor Moore, he joined Bury on loan in January this year at the age of 19 making 13 appearances

At the same age, Joe Bryan was joining Plymouth on loan, making 10 appearances

I'd like to think both Taylor and the club are in it for the long term so as long as he is committed and progresses, there's no reason why he cant emulate what Joe has achieved to date

 

[kevster3]

16 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

I know it only till the end of the year. I know his only trying to help daddy out. I for one am getting feed up with loaning out this players for us only to replace them with other loan players from other clubs.Give them a run of 5 to 6 games in the first team, if they are not good enough after that then loan them out.

Seems like Daddy is still running this club

[petehinton]

What a complete waste we are making of Taylor Moore. Youth level England captain. Made radio Bristol co-commentator for a game. Now in lower league L2 on a pitch that regularly has about 30% grass on it. **** sake. 

[RumRed]

4 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

I very much doubt if any timescale came into this, Johnson junior and senior would have had this set up for a while.

To me it's a case of, helping Dad is more important than what's best for BCFC. These players should be going to teams where they will be coached into becoming better players, it won't happen at Cheltenham. Johny Smith was on loan there last season, he's now gone down a level to the Conference?? That loan really worked for BCFC then!. It seriously makes me wonder if the 'supposed' signing players for the future,is actually, signing players to loan out to Dad. 

I personally have had enough of the Johnsons being more important to each other than our football club.

 

Unfortunately I think the Johnsons are more important to SL and JL too.

[Buckeyed]

22 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

I for one am getting feed up with loaning out this players for us only to replace them with other loan players from other clubs.

I think this is a short-sighted view. Hinds is currently not considered to be good enough for the championship, but will be in the future. So loan him out and get somebody who is considered competent at this level in on loan until Hinds has stepped up a level.

[Engvall's Splinter]

Disappointing moves for Hinds and Moore. Would've expected somewhere else especially for Moore who's gone backwards it seems.

Overdue for Morrell. 

[Portland Bill]

32 minutes ago, spudski said:

It's only for 4 months.

Don't knock where they are going to. I think it will suit all parties, more so us tbh. It will be easier to keep an eye on their progression, not just through match's, but in training as well.

Plus the relationship with manager will be more trustworthy, I should imagine.

For what it's worth, I was really impressed with Plavotic last night....his development has come on leaps and bounds since joining Cheltenham.

They'll get plenty of game time and better development at Cheltenham, than some random club we've got no 'affiliation' with imo.

Affiliation?? As a football club we have no affiliation with Cheltenham Town.

Or at you telling me these deals would still have been done if Dad 'wasn't' their manager?

 

 

[Septic Peg]

I just want to know when did Uncle Pete scout these 3?

[spudski]

Forget the Family connection, and relationship between the Lansdowns and Johnsons.

Other Championship Clubs would be ripping your hand off, to have the 'connection' we have between our Club and another Club in the football league, especially as it's also geographically close as well.

Take into consideration the family connection, both are going to look out for one another, and talk about development a lot more freely.

All some people are doing is focussing on the family connection....and seeing it as a negative.

Why not make the connection? I can only see positives for the players development tbh.

3 minutes ago, Portland Bill said:

Affiliation?? As a football club we have no affiliation with Cheltenham Town.

Or at you telling me these deals would still have been done if Dad 'wasn't' their manager?

 

 

Hence the ' '.....of course it's because of GJ. But why not? Why is it so wrong? I can only see benefits.

No different to say Watfords owners, owning other clubs abroad and using them to develop and borrow players from. Different scenario, but using a 'connection' of some sort of trust.

[BCFC_Dan]

It's worth remembering with Taylor Moore that whilst he was an exciting signing with international appearances to his name, he'd only ever played a couple of times for Lens and is the same age as Zak Vyner. I'm not sure there'd be as much despair if it were Vyner going out on loan to Cheltenham.

[Coppello]

 

[Chalkie]

I'm more concerned with McCoulsky going to Newport only to find himself on the bench, not even getting on as a sub.

 

That's not going to develop his game at all

[Ivorguy]

All preparation for Dad returning as Director of Football, and uncle as Chief Scout ?

[Monkeh]

yes lets bash both johnsons for loaning 3 under 23 players that aren't ready or near the first team, that makes sense doesn't it,

Lets stunt their progress by not letting them play mens football and onlying give them 90 mins if a cup and the odd 5 minutes here and there,

Is hinds going to get in the team infront of Reid, Fam, Taylor or Woodrow?

Is morrell going to get in the first team infront of ONeil, Pack Smith Brownhill?

Is Moore going to get into the first team in front of Baker, Wright, Maggers, Vyner, Pasion, Flint?

 

 

[Guest BCFC1990]

8 minutes ago, spudski said:

Forget the Family connection, and relationship between the Lansdowns and Johnsons.

Other Championship Clubs would be ripping your hand off, to have the 'connection' we have between our Club and another Club in the football league, especially as it's also geographically close as well.

Take into consideration the family connection, both are going to look out for one another, and talk about development a lot more freely.

All some people are doing is focussing on the family connection....and seeing it as a negative.

Why not make the connection? I can only see positives for the players development tbh.

Hence the ' '.....of course it's because of GJ. But why not? Why is it so wrong? I can only see benefits.

No different to say Watfords owners, owning other clubs abroad and using them to develop and borrow players from. Different scenario, but using a 'connection' of some sort of trust.

My issue is gj does not have a great record developing youngsters. Did it help jonny smith or diego last season? 

I also know young players who were aroundthe squad during his reign gj was in charge here and all have said he wasn't interested in young player development it was all about results for the first team. I believe you have mentioned similar in the past

I will always be grateful to gj for 2 of my favourite seasons following city and hope i am wrong but do not share you confidence in this arrangement it seems to me more about helping dad

 

 

[red panda]

7 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

yes lets bash both johnsons for loaning 3 under 23 players that aren't ready or near the first team, that makes sense doesn't it,

Lets stunt their progress by not letting them play mens football and onlying give them 90 mins if a cup and the odd 5 minutes here and there,

Is hinds going to get in the team infront of Reid, Fam, Taylor or Woodrow?

Is morrell going to get in the first team infront of ONeil, Pack Smith Brownhill?

Is Moore going to get into the first team in front of Baker, Wright, Maggers, Vyner, Pasion, Flint?

 

 

How dare you post a sensible, well reasoned comment!  This is OTIB

[stephenkibby.]

Well if can't help your family out what's it coming to?

[Monkeh]

3 minutes ago, BCFC1990 said:

My issue is gj does not have a great record developing youngsters. Did it help jonny smith or diego last season? 

I also know young players who were aroundthe squad during his reign gj was in charge here and all have said he wasn't interested in young player development it was all about results for the first team. I believe you have mentioned similar in the past

I will always be grateful to gj for 2 of my favourite seasons following city and hope i am wrong but do not share you confidence in this arrangement it seems to me more about helping dad

 

 

well he got the best out of Fontaine, Maynard haynes and Nyatanga while here, helped develop skuse as well,

[Portland Bill]

9 minutes ago, spudski said:

Forget the Family connection, and relationship between the Lansdowns and Johnsons.

Other Championship Clubs would be ripping your hand off, to have the 'connection' we have between our Club and another Club in the football league, especially as it's also geographically close as well.

Take into consideration the family connection, both are going to look out for one another, and talk about development a lot more freely.

All some people are doing is focussing on the family connection....and seeing it as a negative.

Why not make the connection? I can only see positives for the players development tbh.

Hence the ' '.....of course it's because of GJ. But why not? Why is it so wrong? I can only see benefits.

No different to say Watfords owners, owning other clubs abroad and using them to develop and borrow players from. Different scenario, but using a 'connection' of some sort of trust.

"Why not". Because Gary Johnson is not the correct manager/coach to send these players to. 

He has a zero record of developing younger players, in fact i would go as far as saying his lack of interest in developing young players at City sent us back five years. It took years for the City managers 'after' Johnson to get rid of all the journeymen he had signed.

As I said in a previous post, Johny Smith is now playing in the Conference after being on loan at league 2 Cheltenham last season, he's gone down a level!.

 

[Alessandro]

Key things to think about when sending players on loan:

1. Player will actually get given game time, so can progress. (I'd think it's preferable to play 20 games at L2 level than being a sub and making 5/10 apps at L1 level)

2. Trust between clubs that the player will be developed. Ideally with an experienced manager who can help develop the player. (Whether you like him or not, GJ is an experienced manager)

3. Good relationship to report/discuss progress of player to parent club. 

4. The geographical factor shouldn't be estimated either. Not only from the clubs point of view, I.E watching the players or if they have a minor injury but also the players point of view. They are close enough to home to either commute or get back when they can. 

For me, taking emotion out of it and putting the parent links aside, the move makes sense. 

 

[Port Said Red]

18 minutes ago, BCFC1990 said:

My issue is gj does not have a great record developing youngsters. Did it help jonny smith or diego last season? 

I also know young players who were aroundthe squad during his reign gj was in charge here and all have said he wasn't interested in young player development it was all about results for the first team. I believe you have mentioned similar in the past

I will always be grateful to gj for 2 of my favourite seasons following city and hope i am wrong but do not share you confidence in this arrangement it seems to me more about helping dad

 

 

Jonny Smith was injured for a lot of last season, Girolamo has added goals to his game and according to @spudski Plavotic has improved a lot. GJ wasn't one for developing youngsters here, but he is in different circumstances at Cheltenham.

[spudski]

3 minutes ago, BCFC1990 said:

My issue is gj does not have a great record developing youngsters. Did it help jonny smith or diego last season? 

I also know young players who were aroundthe squad during his reign gj was in charge here and all have said he wasn't interested in young player development it was all about results for the first team. I believe you have mentioned similar in the past

I will always be grateful to gj for 2 of my favourite seasons following city and hope i am wrong but do not share you confidence in this arrangement it seems to me more about helping dad

 

 

Totally agree...but it is a completely different scenario now.

When GJ was at City, SL was throwing money around on 'experienced' players like it was going out of fashion. The Academy was neglected and none of those kids were getting the development they needed or anywhere near good enough to play Championship level.

We are now looking to develop players.

GJ is at a Club with no money, and the players we give him, will get valuable experience, plus they are a good standard for that division.

It's a win win scenario.

To others saying GJ is awful at developing youngsters....others have pointed out, that's not the case.

What he did here, cannot be compared to what he has done at other clubs.

[Kid in the Riot]

4 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

well he got the best out of Fontaine, Maynard haynes and Nyatanga while here, helped develop skuse as well,

Nyatanga was already an established C'Ship centre back. 

As for Skuse pa ha ha ha. He was kept out of the team most of the time by LJ. 

[Monkeh]

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Jonny SMith was injured for a lot of last season, Girolamo has added goals to his game and according to @spudski Plavotic has improved a lot. GJ wasn't one for developing youngsters here, but he is in different circumstances at Cheltenham.

in Gary's defense, we nether had the investment nore the players in the youth team here when gary was in charge,

Lansdown wasn't a billionaire then and was as free with his money as he is now

[lenred]

Leaving aside the LJ/GJ association I can certainly see positives both in geography and in sharing of information. And it's a good move for Morrell imho to get decent men's football. Just disappointed that Moore and Hinds are not at a league 1 team of some sort, more than likely a lower level one granted, but at least the players they'd be up against would be of a higher standard and it'd be bigger crowds, better stadiums and less physical than league 2. Moore's position and slide down the ranks especially seems worrying. Only 4 months I guess so here's hoping it works out for all of them. 

[Red-Robbo]

59 minutes ago, spudski said:

It's only for 4 months.

Don't knock where they are going to. I think it will suit all parties, more so us tbh. It will be easier to keep an eye on their progression, not just through match's, but in training as well.

Plus the relationship with manager will be more trustworthy, I should imagine.

For what it's worth, I was really impressed with Plavotic last night....his development has come on leaps and bounds since joining Cheltenham.

They'll get plenty of game time and better development at Cheltenham, than some random club we've got no 'affiliation' with imo.

Have to disagree,  Spud. 

If Hinds needed development at L2 level he might as well have stayed at Luton. 

He's clearly a prospect and has seized the chance of imposing himself on the two cup games he played. 

This just smacks of "doing a favour for dad".

[Portland Bill]

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Jonny SMith was injured for a lot of last season, Girolamo has added goals to his game and according to @spudski Plavotic has improved a lot. GJ wasn't one for developing youngsters here, but he is in different circumstances at Cheltenham.

GJ hasn't been one for developing youngsters 'anywhere'.

Its different circumstances at Cheltenham,  simply because he's being looked after by his son. 

Is he bringing in young players from other clubs?? 

[Monkeh]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Nyatanga was already an established C'Ship centre back. 

As for Skuse pa ha ha ha. He was kept out of the team most of the time by LJ. 

rightly so, at the time as well, johnson and elliot had an effective midfield partnership, our formed dipped when one got injured

[David Brent]

43 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Hinds, Morrell and Moore.

If it goes wrong at Cheltenham they could open a firm of personal injury claims specialists 

It didn't work for Carey, Coles and Hill

[JoeAman08]

21 minutes ago, spudski said:

Forget the Family connection, and relationship between the Lansdowns and Johnsons.

Other Championship Clubs would be ripping your hand off, to have the 'connection' we have between our Club and another Club in the football league, especially as it's also geographically close as well.

Take into consideration the family connection, both are going to look out for one another, and talk about development a lot more freely.

All some people are doing is focussing on the family connection....and seeing it as a negative.

Why not make the connection? I can only see positives for the players development tbh.

Hence the ' '.....of course it's because of GJ. But why not? Why is it so wrong? I can only see benefits.

No different to say Watfords owners, owning other clubs abroad and using them to develop and borrow players from. Different scenario, but using a 'connection' of some sort of trust.

It's literally being viewed negatively because GJ is there. Any other L2 club and there wouldn't be a word. Think most think Morrell is the best fit for them but people are being blinded by Hinds cup goals. He needs more experience and in L1 they'll be looking for a more proven player. Taylor Moore because he's played England U20 people think that means he's ready to play men's football but in reality he's been playing some of those games against smaller countries u20 as well. He's got a long way to go before he's ready for the championship and that is fine because he is a 20 year old CB!!!

If Cheltenham were in the conference I could see why people complain but reality is they're a league club and close to Bristol. It's not only a good connection to have for the club but good for the young players who can still be around their family and friends in the area. If anything we should be hoping Cheltenham keep getting better and we help make that happen because it benefits our young players. 

[Spoons]

1 hour ago, glos old boy said:

Joke of a manager...........the pair of them.

Wow! 

[Kibs]

41 minutes ago, petehinton said:

What a complete waste we are making of Taylor Moore. Youth level England captain. Made radio Bristol co-commentator for a game. Now in lower league L2 on a pitch that regularly has about 30% grass on it. **** sake. 

Cheltenhams pitch is excellent. It has been poor in recent seasons due to allowing Gloucester City to play their home matches there. This agreement is no longer in place so I fully expect it to return to being one of the best surfaces at that level.

[Portland Bill]

2 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

in Gary's defense, we nether had the investment nore the players in the youth team here when gary was in charge,

Lansdown wasn't a billionaire then and was as free with his money as he is now

SL, allowed GJ a ridiculous amount of money at the time. SL admitted after GJ left that he "let his heart rule his head" in letting GJ sign so many players, players that were panic buys ( and loans).

We had a ridiculous amount of players, we were bringing in loanees on top wages on a weekly basis at one stage.