RT's Vaseline Tub Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Surely Flinty & Bakes are the best centre half pairing as they have done it before together. It's just a pity the short sighted appointment of Bailey Wright as skipper has put a spanner in the works as hard to drop the Club Captain even if I see him as the most error prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Do you remember where we came in the league with Flint and Baker? Wright and Baker for me have looked so much stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT's Vaseline Tub Posted September 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 They've only played 3 games together in the league with 3 draws. Now Flinty's back we've got his match winning fire power like his goals at Wigan & at Home to Barnsley which kept us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 I don't have any issues with any pairing of those 3, Wright and Baker have been excellent but by the sounds of it so were Baker and Flint today. Good competition for places will hopefully keep them all on their toe's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 It's more of a squad game nowadays Nothing wrong with a club captain being on the bench anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said: It's more of a squad game nowadays Nothing wrong with a club captain being on the bench anyway Well, there is.. and especially when it is a centre half because as you know, they don't generally get to come on from the bench like say midfielders or even strikers. Great win, great attitutde and fair play for scoring the winner, but I hope people don't use it more to get at Wright (i know you arent btw) but others maybe. Wright has been very good along side Baker TOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 3 at the back anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buster Footman's T shirt said: 3 at the back anyone? Well, 4 is working so why would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Judging by the highlights we were lucky Reading didn't bury 2 or 3 and it was their finishing that let them down, they appeared to be in great positions quite a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Well, 4 is working so why would we? Just another option. May be worth a look if Pisano is to miss a couple of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Its a tough one. Didnt see the game today but the back 4 with Wright were great against Villa. Finally good to have decent competition in the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Well, there is.. and especially when it is a centre half because as you know, they don't generally get to come on from the bench like say midfielders or even strikers. Great win, great attitutde and fair play for scoring the winner, but I hope people don't use it more to get at Wright (i know you arent btw) but others maybe. Wright has been very good along side Baker TOO Oh there are certainly people doing that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, hodge said: Judging by the highlights we were lucky Reading didn't bury 2 or 3 and it was their finishing that let them down, they appeared to be in great positions quite a few times. And how many times have we been in that position where we've missed 2 or 3 sitters and still lost? About time it happened to another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Readings finishing was poor today. Great result but could easily have been 3-1 or 2-2. Not saying BW would have changed that but they did create some clear chances most of which were down our right - Vyner might have learned some valuable lessons today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Think it's been said, but hope this Flint / Wright thing doesn't end up being a pain in the ass. Worst case senario in January would be them both wanting out. Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 We seem to be making issues out of having competition for places Stick with 4 at the back and let players fight for places in a system that seems to be working - every decent team will have a couple of good chances at home like Reading did today - some go in some don't We can't start trying to fit everyone in by changing the formation Its a selection headache for LJ but at least it's a nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 I like Bailey Wright, but would like to remind those who say about being club captain having to play. Wilbraham was club captain for the past two seasons and was far from being in the first 11. Sometimes not even in the match squad so I doubt LJ thinks he's club captain so he plays. Me personally I like the fact we've 3 good centre backs plus Maggers so we've got options where's before we looked light in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said: I like Bailey Wright, but would like to remind those who say about being club captain having to play. Wilbraham was club captain for the past two seasons and was far from being in the first 11. Sometimes not even in the match squad so I doubt LJ thinks he's club captain so he plays. Me personally I like the fact we've 3 good centre backs plus Maggers so we've got options where's before we looked light in that department. Spot on mate And Hegeler if we need his type tactically against certain teams - we should be happy with this, we just need good man management- so much easier when things are going well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Derek from Nailsea said: Surely Flinty & Bakes are the best centre half pairing as they have done it before together. It's just a pity the short sighted appointment of Bailey Wright as skipper has put a spanner in the works as hard to drop the Club Captain even if I see him as the most error prone. Wright is the better footballer than both Baker and Flint. They're very similar, both head it and kick it stoppers. Both lack mobility which is why Wright was brought in. Wright is also highly respected by his team mates and is a natural leader of men - that's why he's club captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRascal Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Nice problem to have, isn't it? Too many quality centre backs in the squad. I'd be happy with any combination of them, but Flint offers goals and drive on top of the defensive qualities they all have. Possibly my favourite since Shaun Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlintWonderwall Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Sorry but we were battling relegation with this same pairing?? Wright and Baker everyday for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touch_my_butter Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 3 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Well, there is.. and especially when it is a centre half because as you know, they don't generally get to come on from the bench like say midfielders or even strikers. Great win, great attitutde and fair play for scoring the winner, but I hope people don't use it more to get at Wright (i know you arent btw) but others maybe. Wright has been very good along side Baker TOO Maybe one of the reasons for Wright being made club captain was that he wouldn't bitch and moan about being left on the bench despite being captain. Seems like a guy who sees the bigger picture and leads by example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Wright is the better footballer than both Baker and Flint. They're very similar, both head it and kick it stoppers. Both lack mobility which is why Wright was brought in. Wright is also highly respected by his team mates and is a natural leader of men - that's why he's club captain. What are you on? Seriously. Wright is barely quicker than Flint and no better on the ball. Baker is demonstrably more mobile than either. Buy some spectacles. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall's Splinter Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: What are you on? Seriously. Wright is barely quicker than Flint and no better on the ball. Baker is demonstrably more mobile than either. Buy some spectacles. Seriously. I must agree. I like all 3 yet neither of them are great footballers. That's not a dig. They're all good steady centre halves. Wright is solid, a bully, wins it well, gives it easy. Flint, good in the air, positionally a tad suspect, yet great in the opposition box. Baker, deceptively quick, reads it well and strong, yet prone to a ricket and a unnecessary yellow. Good competition. Steady competition. All good enough for us if not a bit more. Pisano will make a difference and assist these guys. I dot think you can say any are footballers (which is fine by me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said: What are you on? Seriously. Wright is barely quicker than Flint and no better on the ball. Baker is demonstrably more mobile than either. Buy some spectacles. Seriously. MM - we'll have to agree to disagree on this subjective debate but I'm pretty sure LJ would disagree with you. My guess is that Wright will be back in defence at Molinuex on Tuesday probably in place of Flint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 10 hours ago, FlintWonderwall said: Sorry but we were battling relegation with this same pairing?? Wright and Baker everyday for me Both have improved since then. Flint's first season at this level and Baker was 24 or so and a bit rash. I don't want us to have a 'first choice pairing'. I want it to be whoever has earned it should play. I appreciate the need to rotate players in a congested period of fixtures but we should take advantage of the quality we have in that position and make it tough competition to start. LJ did say we could use 3 at the back with our personnel, would be interesting to see how that would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 We've spent many of the recent seasons saying our players are tired at the end of a 46+ game season. Let's keep Bailey, Baker and Wright happy with regular games but the understanding that it's a squad game. I'm not a huge fan of rotation but if we are to progress and join the "bigger" teams, we need more than a first eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Xiled said: We've spent many of the recent seasons saying our players are tired at the end of a 46+ game season. Let's keep Bailey, Baker and Wright happy with regular games but the understanding that it's a squad game. I'm not a huge fan of rotation but if we are to progress and join the "bigger" teams, we need more than a first eleven. Shome mistake, surely Play Nathan Flint along side Bailey Baker... problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnr1986 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 For me Baker is our best CB and flint is by far better in both boxes than Wright so him every time when both are available. Personally think hordour is a better player than Wright who is distinctly average imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 I agree it's a tough call. It's worth remembering that whilst it was a good win yesterday, it was by no means a perfect defensive display. I counted at least four well-worked, clear shooting chances for Reading when we were opened up. On another day we could have been beaten pretty decisively. In the euphoria of an unexpected win against quality opposition it's easy to get carried away, especially when one of the subjects of the debate scored the winner. There is a difference between the player's individual performance, observed in isolation - how many headers and tackles he's won and so on - and how well he's functioned as part of an integrated whole that collectively denies the other team scoring opportunities. Flint excels at the former and I have great respect for his qualities, but as has been pointed out many times, his stand-out personal efforts can sometimes distract one from the fact that he has at times been a core element in a defence that has conceded far too many goals. Good defending is all about organisation, discipline and concentration. The challenge is to identify which players operate best together as part of a system. The issue with Flint during the window and his consequent omission from the side provided an opportunity that might not otherwise have arisen to see how other pairings might work and the results have been quite revealing, leading to the possible conclusion that, paradoxically, your strongest defence might not actually contain your best centre half. Ultimately, the acid test is which combination of individuals results in the fewest goals being conceded, whilst still allowing you to play in your preferred formation? Who'd be a manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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