Midlands Robin Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 I'll make no secret of the fact that Sean Dyche easily makes it on to my list of least favourite City players however there is no denying that he is doing a decent job as a manager. Ian Wright seems to think so and in this article he claims that Dyche could be the perfect replacement for Wenger at Arsenal and should, in time, be considered for the England job: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41478071 So, my question is, has Ian Wright lost his marbles or is Dyche good enough to bring success to a club that has gone stagnant under its current manager and where the weight of expectation and the demands of successful European competition would test even the very best managers? Would he make a good international manager in the future or is he just being touted for the role because of the continuing lack of truly successful English managers?
chipdawg Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Marbles: Lost Dyche is good, but jumping from Burnley, who by necessity play a very 'functional' brand of football, to managing Sanchez, Lacazette, Ozil, etc, just won't work. There'll be no respect from the players at the club or that the club want to buy and the scale of the challenge is completely different. Like going straight from doing a Parkrun to the London Marathon. Dyche needs a job at a club somewhere inbetween first- an Everton or a Newcastle perhaps
And Its Smith Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 I think he deserves a chance. Nothing to say players wont respect him at all. Managers have taken the leap before and it has worked perfectly well.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, RedDave said: I think he deserves a chance. Nothing to say players wont respect him at all. Managers have taken the leap before and it has worked perfectly well. Agree. Without significant backing I feel Burnley have near enough reached their ceiling, especially with so many competitors close geographically. Dyche deserves a chance at a bigger side.. wouldn’t be surprised to see him at somewhere like Everton or West Ham before the season is out.
Kodjias Wrist Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 The uproar from Arsenal fans if Dyche replaced Wenger.
cider-manc Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 If this did happen I personally feel that it would work out like moyes at Manchester United. The fans would want a big name manager and as soon as it went slightly off would turn quicker on dyche than one of those big names. Like United fans who gave LVG more time than moyes despite early results being more favourable to moyes.
Bar BS3 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Agree. Without significant backing I feel Burnley have near enough reached their ceiling, especially with so many competitors close geographically. Dyche deserves a chance at a bigger side.. wouldn’t be surprised to see him at somewhere like Everton or West Ham before the season is out. Everton, West Ham, maybe Southampton, any club of that sort of stature would be a good move for him. Maybe Villa, if they get back up..?
EnderMB Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 The day Arsenal follow Ian Wright's advice on management is a year to the day that Arsenal accept relegation to the Championship. I've got nothing against Dyche. I think he deserves an opportunity at a higher level. My gripe is that Dyche would be a stop-gap while a high-calibre replacement is sought. After seeing how Moyes's career has nosedived after getting a top job, I'm not sure if others would see it as a good opportunity without being promised significant investment.
BRISTOL86 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Doesn't matter who is managing Arsenal when there is such a lack of ambition from above.
Port Said Red Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 The trouble is that Dyche's talent appears to be taking all the parts from Vauxhalls, Volkswagens, Fords and so on and putting them together in such a way they can compete with the Mercedes of the Premier League. If he was given a Mercedes, I don't think he would know how to handle the parts to make them work for him in the same way.
Robbored Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 No doubt whatsoever that Dyche has complete respect from his players at Burnley. Even Joey Barton called him "an impressive man". Some compliment that... Im no not sure how many of the Burnley squad are foreign imports but at Arsenal the majority are so to me it'd be question of whether Dyche could earn the same level of respect. Im sure he has the skills and tactical nouse to manage a top club and personally, with Arsenal being my second club I'd love to see him take over from Wenger.
CyderInACan Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: Everton, West Ham, maybe Southampton, any club of that sort of stature would be a good move for him. Maybe Villa, if they get back up..? But they're walking the division, apparently. . .
Bar BS3 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: But they're walking the division, apparently. . . Yeah, well it is only a "bang average" division..!
Midlands Robin Posted October 3, 2017 Author Posted October 3, 2017 Southampton are an interesting case. They used to get by creating a tread mill of decent young players who kept them in the hunt for the top 10 and were moved on for decent profits. Things seem to be slowing down in that area and they look like they are running out of steam. Having a chat in the pub last night we thought that Southampton could find themselves in danger of getting dragged into a relegation scrap this season.
BCFC_Dan Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: The trouble is that Dyche's talent appears to be taking all the parts from Vauxhalls, Volkswagens, Fords and so on and putting them together in such a way they can compete with the Mercedes of the Premier League. If he was given a Mercedes, I don't think he would know how to handle the parts to make them work for him in the same way. Absolutely this. I'm so tired of hearing managers who have done well on a limited budget talked about as if they're better than those who've achieved success with a large budget. It's two different jobs and success in one in no way guarantees success in the other (though it certainly doesn't rule it out). Dyche is clearly a good manager and a forward-thinking one, but to stick him straight in a big club and assume he'd be successful is quite daft. He needs to either take an interim step to an Everton or a West Ham, or he needs to turn Burnley into regular top 8 contenders with a budget to match.
petehinton Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 If Gareth Southgate can be England manager there’s no reason anyone can’t be tbh. Dyche has done much much more than Southgate as a manager/coach, so no reason why there should be any uproar if he was ever considered
Luxo Jr. Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 The England question is interesting. The Arsenal one, not so much. One of the reasons the Allardyce farce was so disappointing is that he seemed like exactly the sort of manager England needed right now. We need to be hard to beat, gritty, competitive, because like it or not, we don't have the talent to compete with the style of play we're trying to implement. Dyche could maybe do a good job. We don't have bad players, we just don't have players good enough to carry a team without a definitive playing style.
poland_exile Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 Ian Wright likes to shout loudly. A great footballer, but as a pundit / celebrity his talents are limited to making senseless noise. Who remembers his chat show??
havanatopia Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Agree. Without significant backing I feel Burnley have near enough reached their ceiling, especially with so many competitors close geographically. Dyche deserves a chance at a bigger side.. wouldn’t be surprised to see him at somewhere like Everton or West Ham before the season is out. Everton strikes a chord for sure. 3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Doesn't matter who is managing Arsenal when there is such a lack of ambition from above. Wow. Think you should study the amount Arsenal have spent on transfers in the last 5 years; up there and how much they spent on their new stadium; up there with the best. Nothing about the money Arsenal have spent suggests lack of ambition, nothing. What might suggest that is their loyalty but in no way is that lacking in ambition and you are, anyway, ruling that out in your remark. I would therefore like to know what you are referring to?
BRISTOL86 Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, havanatopia said: Everton strikes a chord for sure. Wow. Think you should study the amount Arsenal have spent on transfers in the last 5 years; up there and how much they spent on their new stadium; up there with the best. Nothing about the money Arsenal have spent suggests lack of ambition, nothing. What might suggest that is their loyalty but in no way is that lacking in ambition and you are, anyway, ruling that out in your remark. I would therefore like to know what you are referring to? The fact that they see finishing 4th as an achievement to be proud of? Everything is in place for them to be England's best team, you have to severely question the decision making from above as to why it hasn't happened.
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Robbored said: No doubt whatsoever that Dyche has complete respect from his players at Burnley. Even Joey Barton called him "an impressive man". Some compliment that... Im no not sure how many of the Burnley squad are foreign imports but at Arsenal the majority are so to me it'd be question of whether Dyche could earn the same level of respect. Im sure he has the skills and tactical nouse to manage a top club and personally, with Arsenal being my second club I'd love to see him take over from Wenger. I thought City were your second club?
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 8 hours ago, chipdawg said: Marbles: Lost Dyche is good, but jumping from Burnley, who by necessity play a very 'functional' brand of football, to managing Sanchez, Lacazette, Ozil, etc, just won't work. There'll be no respect from the players at the club or that the club want to buy and the scale of the challenge is completely different. Like going straight from doing a Parkrun to the London Marathon. Dyche needs a job at a club somewhere inbetween first- an Everton or a Newcastle perhaps I disagree: all he has to do is play the old "show us your medals" game: none of the squad will be able to match his Division 2 play-off winners bauble.
havanatopia Posted October 3, 2017 Posted October 3, 2017 2 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: The fact that they see finishing 4th as an achievement to be proud of? Everything is in place for them to be England's best team, you have to severely question the decision making from above as to why it hasn't happened. You spoke of lack of ambition not decision making. You can have huge ambition but make seriously bad decisions. I would not necessarily take issue with you on the latter but that was not the premise of your earlier post; lack of ambition was.
BRISTOL86 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 13 hours ago, havanatopia said: You spoke of lack of ambition not decision making. You can have huge ambition but make seriously bad decisions. I would not necessarily take issue with you on the latter but that was not the premise of your earlier post; lack of ambition was. Good point. But to the casual observer the ambition just isn't there. Perhaps I'm wrong and they're doing everything they can to be serious title contenders and just ballsing it up.
Loco Rojo Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 He's one of those managers that are excellent in getting the best out of 'good' players that dont have big egos that need careful pampering - and of course dont have the English media circus reporting on everything they do. He excels in this type of team because his players want to keep their heads down, work hard, graft and fight for everything. The complete opposite to the Premier Leagues golden child teams like Arsenal, that when it gets tough, players have tantrums and cause unrest amongst the team - and especially with the manager. He's better off staying where he is, building his reputation further and keeping far far away from the day time TV sitcom teams like Arsenal and even further away from the total embarrassment that is the England team.
Touch_my_butter Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 11:25, Robbored said: No doubt whatsoever that Dyche has complete respect from his players at Burnley. Even Joey Barton called him "an impressive man". Some compliment that... Im no not sure how many of the Burnley squad are foreign imports but at Arsenal the majority are so to me it'd be question of whether Dyche could earn the same level of respect. All good points. See Moyes -> Man Utd
Offside Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 I imagine lots of Arsenal fans would want a "big name" when Wenger goes - whatever his merits, I can't see Dyche fitting that bill. It would be interesting to see what would happen if he was their manager, though. I can see the parallels with Moyes at Man Utd - taking over from a long serving manager, high expectations, pressure to win trophies etc. When Arsenal do get a new manager, will he be afforded the same patience Wenger has enjoyed to be able to build his side's identity? Probably not.
Midlands Robin Posted October 4, 2017 Author Posted October 4, 2017 Wenger won a double with Arsenal in his first full season in charge. I think any new manager would be given some time to re-build but expectations would be massive. It seems that to the Arsenal board the basic requirement for successful season is a top 4 finish with qualification for the Champions League. The fact that Arsenal have never won the top trophy in Europe will surely be the biggest requirement for a new manager. I don't see Sean Dyche as being the kind of man to build a champions league wining side (at the moment). I agree with the comments above that he needs to work with a team that has more resources than Burnley and with the way that Ronald Koeman is going at Everton that step up to the next level could be just around the corner.
havanatopia Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 8 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Good point. But to the casual observer the ambition just isn't there. Perhaps I'm wrong and they're doing everything they can to be serious title contenders and just ballsing it up. Put it this way, you would not spend 40 or 50 million on more than one player just to stand still or go backwards. I do not understand how a casual observer is important or even relevant in this discussion. However, since you use the term what does a casual observer have to go on? The league table is about it and that tells us that Arsenal are the 5th best in the Premier League, that they finished 1 point outside of the top four and 6 points ahead of Man Utd. I don't think that is ballsing it up; falling short? for sure but since there are 6 teams considered realistically capable of reaching the top four, if that is the pre-supposed goal, then two are always going to be disappointed. By that token you could say the team that finished 6th last season also 'ballsed it up'. That of course would be disingenuous because MU won the Europa League and gained entry to the Champions League via a different route; however, that is hardly a casual observation. Each of those six teams are capable and gunning for the title; only one can win it. I think the discussion here should be about not the casual observer but about a football fan who knows the game, watches the matches, sees what has happened since 2005 and then makes an argument for Arsenal making some poor choices and being slow to rectify their errors while other teams around them have advanced and others caught up such as Spurs, Man City and Liverpool re-entering the fray. Two of those three teams are having to wait significantly longer for their next title triumph, especially Spurs - 1961, compared to Arsenal. I have said for years that Arsenal have never replaced their back line of Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Nigel Winterburn and Lee Dixon and nor have sufficient leaders who are British. That was their backbone. Nor do they have a midfield 'policeman' like N'Kolo Kante or Matic. If you look at most of the other big 5 they nearly all at least have solid leaders in their ranks. Wenger has to take the blame for that failing. Maybe City can help Arsenal by selling them Flint in January for 20 million and they should look to find a new Patrick Viera. As you have said they have the potential they just lack the ability to deliver it as a cohesive unit and filling those few on field spaces with the correct type of player is what it will likely take. I still fancy them for a top 4 finish though!
BRISTOL86 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 43 minutes ago, havanatopia said: Put it this way, you would not spend 40 or 50 million on more than one player just to stand still or go backwards. I do not understand how a casual observer is important or even relevant in this discussion. However, since you use the term what does a casual observer have to go on? The league table is about it and that tells us that Arsenal are the 5th best in the Premier League, that they finished 1 point outside of the top four and 6 points ahead of Man Utd. I don't think that is ballsing it up; falling short? for sure but since there are 6 teams considered realistically capable of reaching the top four, if that is the pre-supposed goal, then two are always going to be disappointed. By that token you could say the team that finished 6th last season also 'ballsed it up'. That of course would be disingenuous because MU won the Europa League and gained entry to the Champions League via a different route; however, that is hardly a casual observation. Each of those six teams are capable and gunning for the title; only one can win it. I think the discussion here should be about not the casual observer but about a football fan who knows the game, watches the matches, sees what has happened since 2005 and then makes an argument for Arsenal making some poor choices and being slow to rectify their errors while other teams around them have advanced and others caught up such as Spurs, Man City and Liverpool re-entering the fray. Two of those three teams are having to wait significantly longer for their next title triumph, especially Spurs - 1961, compared to Arsenal. I have said for years that Arsenal have never replaced their back line of Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Nigel Winterburn and Lee Dixon and nor have sufficient leaders who are British. That was their backbone. Nor do they have a midfield 'policeman' like N'Kolo Kante or Matic. If you look at most of the other big 5 they nearly all at least have solid leaders in their ranks. Wenger has to take the blame for that failing. Maybe City can help Arsenal by selling them Flint in January for 20 million and they should look to find a new Patrick Viera. As you have said they have the potential they just lack the ability to deliver it as a cohesive unit and filling those few on field spaces with the correct type of player is what it will likely take. I still fancy them for a top 4 finish though! That's the point isn't it. Even to you or I their problems are so obvious. Yet they don't address them. For about ten transfer windows they've needed new defenders and a hard man in midfield but they never arrive. Perhaps im being harsh when I accuse of a lack of ambition. Perhaps 'content to tread water' is a better phrase. The fact that the likes of Jack Wilshere can inexplicably still have a contract there shows how much of a cosy culture there is at the club. Too many people from playing staff to management in a comfort zone Clubs such as Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd have shown ruthlessness in seeking change to address insufficient league performance. Arsenal content to keep on keeping on, with no signs at all that they will mount a serious title challenge any time soon. With the resources their disposal they could, and should be challenging routinely to be the best team in England and one of the best in Europe.
EnderMB Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 On 10/3/2017 at 13:03, BCFC_Dan said: Absolutely this. I'm so tired of hearing managers who have done well on a limited budget talked about as if they're better than those who've achieved success with a large budget. It's two different jobs and success in one in no way guarantees success in the other (though it certainly doesn't rule it out). Dyche is clearly a good manager and a forward-thinking one, but to stick him straight in a big club and assume he'd be successful is quite daft. He needs to either take an interim step to an Everton or a West Ham, or he needs to turn Burnley into regular top 8 contenders with a budget to match. It largely depends on whether their success is down to coaching, or whether it's down to good budget management. For Moyes, it was down to the latter. He bought well, and was able to maintain a level of success at that level. He also became complacent at Everton, struggling to adapt himself to a different team. When you take over Man Utd and you start trying to get the champions to play like Everton, you've lost the dressing room. For Dyche I hope it's the former as well as the latter.
Jackson Lamb Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 I never understand why nowdays pundits claim so and so could be a good fit for the England job. In my opinion, going from a league team to a national team is a step-down. Especially when it is England.
JoeAman08 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: I never understand why nowdays pundits claim so and so could be a good fit for the England job. In my opinion, going from a league team to a national team is a step-down. Especially when it is England. Read about Diego Simeone talking about managing Argentina one day. Said he'd love to but at the moment couldn't deal with preparing for 2 matches every few months or something along those lines. International management is completely different than managing a club. I think at international level things need to be simplified. You don't have time to integrate players together so to speak. You need a simple style that players are used to. Think that's a big problem for England. There is no style to fall back on that everyone grew up playing. Then try to play football with nations who teach a similar way from the start to senior level like Spain. then find it harder to break down teams who play for the point. As for Dyche, I think he's showing he's a capable manager. They've slowly brought in higher calibre players albeit still grafters who are more selfless than skilful. You've seen in their football though that they are capable at times of playing a few passes to carve out a good chance now. I agree he would need a bigger platform now to prove how good he is. I don't know what team that is though as I think there isn't much difference between the 20th to 8th best teams in the division. England? Think he'd improve them by keeping it simple. Solid defensively and get crosses into the box. England would do well with that style I think. Just not sure Dyche would be up for that job yet. It's an older mans job imo. A good manager who doesn't want that day to day pressure.
havanatopia Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Just not sure Dyche would be up for that job yet. It's an older mans job imo. A good manager who doesn't want that day to day pressure. You mean like Harry Redknapp?!. At least it would mean nobody could accuse him of blowing the budget. Mind you some might chip in and say something like "ahhh but Harry confessing to being a bit thick he might think he can transfer an England player"
JoeAman08 Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 12 minutes ago, havanatopia said: You mean like Harry Redknapp?!. At least it would mean nobody could accuse him of blowing the budget. Mind you some might chip in and say something like "ahhh but Harry confessing to being a bit thick he might think he can transfer an England player" Maybe, I know some that say he should've gotten the job in the past. I'm no English football historian though. Just feel it's for someone who's managed 20-30 years at club level and fancies a break from that rigorous schedule and pressure.
... Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 On 03/10/2017 at 07:48, Midlands Robin said: I'll make no secret of the fact that Sean Dyche easily makes it on to my list of least favourite City players however there is no denying that he is doing a decent job as a manager. Ian Wright seems to think so and in this article he claims that Dyche could be the perfect replacement for Wenger at Arsenal and should, in time, be considered for the England job: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41478071 So, my question is, has Ian Wright lost his marbles or is Dyche good enough to bring success to a club that has gone stagnant under its current manager and where the weight of expectation and the demands of successful European competition would test even the very best managers? Would he make a good international manager in the future or is he just being touted for the role because of the continuing lack of truly successful English managers? Do you think he would ever be accepted by the Chablis swilling, lobster baguette -eating cockneys? Do you? Do you really?? tfj
Lord Northski Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Not sure you can have an England manager looks like Raoul Moat.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 Seems to be doing well I would put him up there with Eddie Howe of Bournemouth.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 4 hours ago, havanatopia said: Put it this way, you would not spend 40 or 50 million on more than one player just to stand still or go backwards. I do not understand how a casual observer is important or even relevant in this discussion. However, since you use the term what does a casual observer have to go on? The league table is about it and that tells us that Arsenal are the 5th best in the Premier League, that they finished 1 point outside of the top four and 6 points ahead of Man Utd. I don't think that is ballsing it up; falling short? for sure but since there are 6 teams considered realistically capable of reaching the top four, if that is the pre-supposed goal, then two are always going to be disappointed. By that token you could say the team that finished 6th last season also 'ballsed it up'. That of course would be disingenuous because MU won the Europa League and gained entry to the Champions League via a different route; however, that is hardly a casual observation. Each of those six teams are capable and gunning for the title; only one can win it. I think the discussion here should be about not the casual observer but about a football fan who knows the game, watches the matches, sees what has happened since 2005 and then makes an argument for Arsenal making some poor choices and being slow to rectify their errors while other teams around them have advanced and others caught up such as Spurs, Man City and Liverpool re-entering the fray. Two of those three teams are having to wait significantly longer for their next title triumph, especially Spurs - 1961, compared to Arsenal. I have said for years that Arsenal have never replaced their back line of Tony Adams, Martin Keown, Nigel Winterburn and Lee Dixon and nor have sufficient leaders who are British. That was their backbone. Nor do they have a midfield 'policeman' like N'Kolo Kante or Matic. If you look at most of the other big 5 they nearly all at least have solid leaders in their ranks. Wenger has to take the blame for that failing. Maybe City can help Arsenal by selling them Flint in January for 20 million and they should look to find a new Patrick Viera. As you have said they have the potential they just lack the ability to deliver it as a cohesive unit and filling those few on field spaces with the correct type of player is what it will likely take. I still fancy them for a top 4 finish though! The bit in bold smells of a fishing expedition to me: what on earth does the nationality matter in terms of whether someone can lead?
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 On 03/10/2017 at 07:54, chipdawg said: Marbles: Lost Dyche is good, but jumping from Burnley, who by necessity play a very 'functional' brand of football, to managing Sanchez, Lacazette, Ozil, etc, just won't work. There'll be no respect from the players at the club or that the club want to buy and the scale of the challenge is completely different. Like going straight from doing a Parkrun to the London Marathon. Dyche needs a job at a club somewhere inbetween first- an Everton or a Newcastle perhaps I agree, for some reason I think he's got Everton boss written all over him....and I haven't got a clue why I think that! He just seems a good fit when they lose patience with Koeman....
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 4, 2017 Posted October 4, 2017 On 03/10/2017 at 13:06, petehinton said: Dyche has done much much more than Southgate as a manager/coach...... Don't agree with that, Southgate took Middlesbrough to 12th in the Premier League in his first season in charge, beating Man City 8-1 along the way....he also had a 82% win record as boss of England U21s....Dyche relegated Burnley as manager in their first Premier League season...
petehinton Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 13 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Don't agree with that, Southgate took Middlesbrough to 12th in the Premier League in his first season in charge, beating Man City 8-1 along the way....he also had a 82% win record as boss of England U21s....Dyche relegated Burnley as manager in their first Premier League season... With the greatest respect mate that was 10 years ago. Playing the % game he won less than 30% of his games at Boro. His leaving legacy with the u21s was finishing bottom of their Euro 2015 group. Burnley were an unremarkable mid table Champ team when Dyche took over. Yes they were relegated in their first year, but they were promoted at the first time of asking. Stayed up comfortably last year and are flying this year. If I was chairman of a premier league club/Champ club wanting to go up soonish, and had to pick between the two, wouldn’t even draw breath before picking Dyche.
Robbored Posted October 5, 2017 Posted October 5, 2017 Southgate is the face of the FA as all England managers are but in Southgates case he's a FA corporate man. He's a safe pair of hands, non controversial and tame.............. It'll be like watching grass grow. Fortunately I'm bowling tonight.
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