old_eastender Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 (where 6 is a decent display) Frankie - 6 - no real chance with any of the goals, made a couple decent saves. Wright - 6 - reasonable performance at RB again. Bryan - 7- Defensively solid, offered some threat going forward. Flint - 6 - Unlucky deflection from his attempted clearance for first, partly at fault for 2nd although Hegelar more so, won most balls that came his way. Hegelar - 2 - Simply awful at Centre Back, way off the pace. At fault for 2nd and 3rd goals, including the build-up to the 3rd. Hope he is not played in that position again. Pack - 4 - Poor and slow. Leeds forwards left to run at our defence time after time. Those who think Pack is Championship quality CM really need to think again. Brownhill - 7 - Never stopped running or trying just given little help in midfield without Korey. Setup Fammy for what should have been consolation goal. COD - 5 - Nowhere near his best today, one of two decent crosses but very few, if any, of his trade-mark runs with the ball. Leko - 6 - Looked dangerous but as with Burton game, no end product. Perhaps unlucky not to get a pen in the first half. Reid - 5 - Like COD nowhere near his best today, lost his footing when clean through early in 2nd half. Woodrow - 3 - As with his last two sub appearances, offered nothing up front. Very odd to start him in preference to Fammy. SUBS. Taylor - 7 before red card, looked calm and assured on the ball, good movement as ever. Fammy - 5 - Chased and won more ball that CW, but poor miss at the end. Mags - 7 - Not on for long but seemed comfortable, absolutely should have started at CB in preference to Hegelar. MANAGER - 4 - OK so Korey, Baker, Pato not available, but really poor decision to play Hegelar CB in preference to Mags. Mystifying decision to start CW in place of Fammy. Also should have made the first changes at HT, not wasted 12 mins of second half with same non-working line-up.
Forever Red 94 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Flint a 6? Today showed he is not as good as people make out! Kick the ball long towards him and sure he looks good. But, positionally he is poor, cant defend the ball on the floor and has the turning circle of a double decker. He didnt have baker to hold his hand today and got badly exposed. Should of cashed in when we had the chance! Get pisano back and partner baker with wright.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 29 minutes ago, old_eastender said: (where 6 is a decent display) Frankie - 6 - no real chance with any of the goals, made a couple decent saves. Wright - 6 - reasonable performance at RB again. Bryan - 7- Defensively solid, offered some threat going forward. Flint - 6 - Unlucky deflection from his attempted clearance for first, partly at fault for 2nd although Hegelar more so, won most balls that came his way. Hegelar - 2 - Simply awful at Centre Back, way off the pace. At fault for 2nd and 3rd goals, including the build-up to the 3rd. Hope he is not played in that position again. Pack - 4 - Poor and slow. Leeds forwards left to run at our defence time after time. Those who think Pack is Championship quality CM really need to think again. Brownhill - 7 - Never stopped running or trying just given little help in midfield without Korey. Setup Fammy for what should have been consolation goal. COD - 5 - Nowhere near his best today, one of two decent crosses but very few, if any, of his trade-mark runs with the ball. Leko - 6 - Looked dangerous but as with Burton game, no end product. Perhaps unlucky not to get a pen in the first half. Reid - 5 - Like COD nowhere near his best today, lost his footing when clean through early in 2nd half. Woodrow - 3 - As with his last two sub appearances, offered nothing up front. Very odd to start him in preference to Fammy. SUBS. Taylor - 7 before red card, looked calm and assured on the ball, good movement as ever. Fammy - 5 - Chased and won more ball that CW, but poor miss at the end. Mags - 7 - Not on for long but seemed comfortable, absolutely should have started at CB in preference to Hegelar. MANAGER - 4 - OK so Korey, Baker, Pato not available, but really poor decision to play Hegelar CB in preference to Mags. Mystifying decision to start CW in place of Fammy. Also should have made the first changes at HT, not wasted 12 mins of second half with same non-working line-up. Look again at the Flint 'unlucky deflection' his attempted clearance was half hearted at best and then Wright's half hearted attempted block and you have the first goal in a nutshell. As for the 2nd I think you give Flint too much credit it was a clumsy unnecessary touch, mind you Pack weakly losing possession in the build up was the main cause of the danger in the first place.
David Brent Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Not bothered who gets what, as long as Bryan’s is the highest.
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 46 minutes ago, old_eastender said: (where 6 is a decent display) Frankie - 6 - no real chance with any of the goals, made a couple decent saves. Wright - 6 - reasonable performance at RB again. Bryan - 7- Defensively solid, offered some threat going forward. Flint - 6 - Unlucky deflection from his attempted clearance for first, partly at fault for 2nd although Hegelar more so, won most balls that came his way. Hegelar - 2 - Simply awful at Centre Back, way off the pace. At fault for 2nd and 3rd goals, including the build-up to the 3rd. Hope he is not played in that position again. Pack - 4 - Poor and slow. Leeds forwards left to run at our defence time after time. Those who think Pack is Championship quality CM really need to think again. Brownhill - 7 - Never stopped running or trying just given little help in midfield without Korey. Setup Fammy for what should have been consolation goal. COD - 5 - Nowhere near his best today, one of two decent crosses but very few, if any, of his trade-mark runs with the ball. Leko - 6 - Looked dangerous but as with Burton game, no end product. Perhaps unlucky not to get a pen in the first half. Reid - 5 - Like COD nowhere near his best today, lost his footing when clean through early in 2nd half. Woodrow - 3 - As with his last two sub appearances, offered nothing up front. Very odd to start him in preference to Fammy. SUBS. Taylor - 7 before red card, looked calm and assured on the ball, good movement as ever. Fammy - 5 - Chased and won more ball that CW, but poor miss at the end. Mags - 7 - Not on for long but seemed comfortable, absolutely should have started at CB in preference to Hegelar. MANAGER - 4 - OK so Korey, Baker, Pato not available, but really poor decision to play Hegelar CB in preference to Mags. Mystifying decision to start CW in place of Fammy. Also should have made the first changes at HT, not wasted 12 mins of second half with same non-working line-up. 7 got brownhill? Only going forward. Defensively he was at fault for the first goal and to a lesser extent the second, admittedly he improved, but by then it was too late. Also you can't have seen any other games this season to say that about pack. He plays well alongside smith and has had a good season, based on today you could have said half our team aren't championship standard. Very very unfair comment.
RedJim Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Brownhill MOTM. Another good performance from him despite the poor team showing. He is a quality player and seems to be getting better all the time.
Fiale Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, old_eastender said: (where 6 is a decent display) Frankie - 6 - no real chance with any of the goals, made a couple decent saves. Wright - 6 - reasonable performance at RB again. Bryan - 7- Defensively solid, offered some threat going forward. Flint - 6 - Unlucky deflection from his attempted clearance for first, partly at fault for 2nd although Hegelar more so, won most balls that came his way. Hegelar - 2 - Simply awful at Centre Back, way off the pace. At fault for 2nd and 3rd goals, including the build-up to the 3rd. Hope he is not played in that position again. Pack - 4 - Poor and slow. Leeds forwards left to run at our defence time after time. Those who think Pack is Championship quality CM really need to think again. Brownhill - 7 - Never stopped running or trying just given little help in midfield without Korey. Setup Fammy for what should have been consolation goal. COD - 5 - Nowhere near his best today, one of two decent crosses but very few, if any, of his trade-mark runs with the ball. Leko - 6 - Looked dangerous but as with Burton game, no end product. Perhaps unlucky not to get a pen in the first half. Reid - 5 - Like COD nowhere near his best today, lost his footing when clean through early in 2nd half. Woodrow - 3 - As with his last two sub appearances, offered nothing up front. Very odd to start him in preference to Fammy. SUBS. Taylor - 7 before red card, looked calm and assured on the ball, good movement as ever. Fammy - 5 - Chased and won more ball that CW, but poor miss at the end. Mags - 7 - Not on for long but seemed comfortable, absolutely should have started at CB in preference to Hegelar. MANAGER - 4 - OK so Korey, Baker, Pato not available, but really poor decision to play Hegelar CB in preference to Mags. Mystifying decision to start CW in place of Fammy. Also should have made the first changes at HT, not wasted 12 mins of second half with same non-working line-up. How did Taylor get 7 - he didn't really do anything, then gets involved in a stupid fracass sticking his head into a Leeds players face and going down as though he's just been headbutted. Well played, just back from injury and now a 3 match ban for violent conduct. Christ it wasn;t even a bad challenge for him to confront the player over.
petehinton Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Everyone a 5/10 or lower except Bryan who was 6/10 Hegelar 3/10 Reid 4/10
Fiale Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Generous giving fielding a 6. Awful on 2nd and scared of coming off his line throughout the game. So many routine balls to come off his line and gather, but never shouts and comes, instead stays on his line and leaves our defence to deal with it. One occasion first half ball was in the air with just Wright and fielding in the box, fielding just stays on his line and Wright is forced to head it away. Schoolboy stuff. Obviously many players were awful, but just thought Id mention him as I have never thought he is a championship goalie and today showed why. That was shameful, Fiedling should have just plucked it out of the air instead forces Wright to head it, so instead of our possession it landed not far out the box just in front of a Leeds player
Lack of Action Man Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Anyone who was in the Lansdown upper could have seen that all of our back 4 were utter turd, Bryan included.
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, petehinton said: Everyone a 5/10 or lower except Bryan who was 6/10 Hegelar 3/10 Reid 4/10 Not a million miles off....i’ll post mine in thread below.
And Its Smith Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Fielding 6 Wright 6 Flint 4 Hegeler 3 Bryan 5 Leko 5 Brownhill 8 Pack 4 COD 5 Reid 6 Woodrow 3
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Not a million miles off....i’ll post mine in thread below. Reid, pack and flint who have all been dependable and solid we're nervy and error prone today. Leeds must have looked at our line up and thought, they are showing us no respect, we looked so open and vulnerable to the counter, they must have loved playing against this overly attack minded formation. Same problem as the losing run,
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, redfieldred said: 7 got brownhill? Only going forward. Defensively he was at fault for the first goal and to a lesser extent the second, admittedly he improved, but by then it was too late. Also you can't have seen any other games this season to say that about pack. He plays well alongside smith and has had a good season, based on today you could have said half our team aren't championship standard. Very very unfair comment. Are you sure that you are not confusing Brownhill for Pack?. Flint and Wright were at fault for the first and Pack, Flint and Hegeler for the 2nd. IMO Pack has had 2 good games and the rest of the season he has been poor, I agree that he looks better with Smith alongside, but Smith looks better with or without Pack and that is the difference.
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Fielding 5 bryan 5 hegeler 3 wtight 5 flint 5 pack 4 brownhill 6 - he was defensively poor in the first 20 mins, after that he was good, Leko 5 woodrow 3 odowda 4 reid 5 Subs all 5
Hazelboy Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Might be a little harsh but: Fielding 4 - can’t kick, doesn’t communicate, can’t see him starting at Sunderland. Wright 4 - not a right back Flint 4 - Not very good at all, struggles when people isolate him 1 on 1 Hegeler 1 - If he sees himself as a centre back he can **** off back to germany Bryan 6 - ok O’Dowda 4 - What does he do? Pack 3 - Slow and weak, out muscled and out fought by Viera in midfield. Brownhill 5 - ran around a lot, didn’t actually achieve anything leko 2 - either run across the pitch get tackled, run down wing put ball into a) the stand b) the keeper c) first defender or my favourite thing, tackle himself. Woodrow 2 - pathetic footballer, can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t hold the ball up. Unfortunately Fulham fans are right about him. Reid 4 - Bullied, ran around a lot Taylor 5 - looked busy, picked on the wrong guy, got a nice 3 game ban coming up Diedhiou 5 - ran about Magnússon 5 - better than Hegeler
Ska Junkie Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 (where 6 is a decent display) Frankie - 5 - no real chance with any of the goals, made a couple decent saves. Aimless long kicks straight to their keeper wasn't good. Wright - 3- Poor display IMHO. He was supposed to be playing right back not centre half. Bryan - 7- The best defender in red by an absolute mile. Flint - 4 - At fault for the first, unlucky for the second but generally in headless chicken mode today. Hegelar - 1- Terrible, absolutely terrible. Pack - 2- Awful performance by Marlon. Only gave him a 2 because I couldn't give Hegelar 0. Brownhill - 6 - Never stopped running or trying just given little help in midfield without Korey. Setup Fammy for what should have been consolation goal. Agreed. COD - 5 - Anonymous. Leko - 6 - At least he tried. Reid - 5 - Like COD nowhere near his best today, lost his footing when clean through early in 2nd half. Agreed Woodrow - 4 - Won a few balls in the air but contributed nothing. SUBS. Taylor - 6- Seemed to be making a difference before the red. I saw the butt but don't know what he did to get a red as well. Fammy - 5 - Chased and won more ball that CW, but poor miss at the end.Agreed Mags - 5 - Didn't have time to change the game but didn't do a lot wrong. Should have started at CB. MANAGER - 4 - Strange decision to play Hegelar CB in preference to Mags. Mystifying decision to start CW in place of Fammy. If he has prioritised Tuesday over a league game, change the 4 to a 2. Bad day at the office for LJ. MOTM - Viera, Leeds.
Antman Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Wrong team pick from the outset. Once we realise they are pushing on with a front 3 and not letting our CB's or the wingers play the ball, we should have adapted, we didn't. the lump who spent the game in Flints face did a job, put him right off his game and disrupted the back 4. Hegeler was poor, why not play a 3 with mags ? Why not just play Mags at CB? My ratings are as follows. Fielding: 5 rooted to his line time and again, didn't command the area at all and needed to when the mayhem started. He looked panicked all afternoon bar one good stop. Bryan: 6. OK, worked hard in autopilot mode. Flint: 4. had a total mare. Put off by the big bloke, and made some howlers. He isn't invincible it seems. Hegelar: 2. Frankly awful. Slow, ponderous. A player who can make a great pass if the game is played at 5 mph. Today was NOT his game. The shirt pull was embarrassing. (why wasn't he subbed earlier?) Wright: 5 he isn't a right back. We needed him in CB position to scrap. Wrong decision. If LJ was protecting Zak Vyner by not playing him, why have him on the bench? Brownhill: 7. Worked his bollocks off. My MOTM. Pack: 4. I don't get it. He is slow, constantly gets caught in possession, wants to constantly play the Hollywood pass, he is not Korey Smith and never will be. Why people rate him is beyond me. Too many lazy, obvious balls. O'Dowda: 5. Ineffective today. Scared to take on Ayling. Leko: 5. Fantastic skills topped off with a laughable errors. Totally ineffective today. Reid: 5. Huffed and puffed, but teams have figured him out now. Woodruff (sp?): 4. totally ineffective, rather would have seen Taylor from the start. Fammy: 6 worked hard when he was on. Taylor: 5. Worked hard, stupid red card. leeds figured us out, out muscled us and LJ had no response. we need a strong busy MF ASAP!
Antman Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 30 minutes ago, redfieldred said: Also you can't have seen any other games this season to say that about pack. He plays well alongside smith and has had a good season, based on today you could have said half our team aren't championship standard. Very very unfair comment. Pack has been shielded by Smith, Korey does the heavy lifting and now he's out, we are seeing Pack exposed as a League 1 MF player. we need some proper muscle in MF asap.
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Are you sure that you are not confusing Brownhill for Pack?. Flint and Wright were at fault for the first and Pack, Flint and Hegeler for the 2nd. IMO Pack has had 2 good games and the rest of the season he has been poor, I agree that he looks better with Smith alongside, but Smith looks better with or without Pack and that is the difference. Brownhill was stood way too deep for the first, by the time he realised the danger it was too late. He has no proper defensive instinct. He is a box to box mid. Admittedly today pack seemed to have lost it as well, I don't say this to criticise him as a player. He is a good player but not s defensive midfielder. He had to play that role today and didn't. Too many on here watch players on the ball rather than off the ball, I saw him off the ball in the first 20 minutes, hid positional sense was off.
Guest BCFC1990 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 They were all awful wouldn’t give anyone above a 2 today
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Didn't take long for pack to become the scapegoat again, he has had a sniff at motm several times this season.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, redfieldred said: Brownhill was stood way too deep for the first, by the time he realised the danger it was too late. He has no proper defensive instinct. He is a box to box mid. Admittedly today pack seemed to have lost it as well, I don't say this to criticise him as a player. He is a good player but not s defensive midfielder. He had to play that role today and didn't. Too many on here watch players on the ball rather than off the ball, I saw him off the ball in the first 20 minutes, hid positional sense was off. I think you will find that Pack is meant to be our defensive midfielder when Smith is not playing.
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Where do we start? Bad day at the office. I rarely criticise a starting eleven and having just heard LJ on BBCRB, I won’t start now. I could see the logic, maybe if not what I’d have done personally. Usual 6/10 is a player deserving of his wages. I’m gonna be tough on myself and only go full marks. Fielding 5/10 - hesitant today. The lines between him and our back two were very inconsistent. Couple of okay saves. Not gonna blame him for goals. Wright 5/10 - Leeds so well prep’d, never gave him any time on ball, exploiting his weakness on the ball. Did ok defensively, but the lack of capability with it means we are stifled at home. Might’ve shaded a 6 if If was being generous. Flint 4/10 - don’t think he dealt well with Losoggo at all. Leeds played everything into him and picked up pieces around him. For first goal, don’t know why he tried to do a block tackle / clearance when he could’ve cleared it down the pitch without needing to clear it into the player? Second goal, why not just pass it away for a corner, the route back to Fielding wasn’t there. Sliding it back was the risk...we paid for it. Hegeler 5/10 - pretty similar as Flint, but I don’t think he was involved in their goals like Flint was. Came into midfield with the ball a couple of times. Don’t believe the radio for those who said Flint won everything and Hegeler didn’t....that’s conscious bias imho. Leko 4/10 - two good runs, great. The rest...my one-off opinion (first time i’ve seen him live) is that he looks like he doesn’t have a football brain. Very poor when we don’t have the ball, makes wrong decisions. Was crocked early on, was that to do with it. Won’t tar future performances with my view of this one, but looks like the kid who has had it too easy at youth football. O’Dowda - 4/10 - what a chance to impose his place in the first team. Wasted. Said it before, gives away cheap fouls, Ayling sucked him in two or three times. Pack - 3/10 - seemed to be treading water out there. Not been the player I rate over the last couple of games. Vieira won everything, chased and harried him into going sideways, backwards or giving it away. Forward passes rarely found his teammates. Brownhill - 6/10 - 5 first half, 7 second. Worked his socks off. Not quite his day on the ball, but tried to drive us on second half. Probably ahead of Pack in terms of selection now. Reid - 4/10 - pretty anonymous today, but given so little service. Woodrow - 5/10 - very little service, but in our better spell in last 15 minutes of first half, he was the catalyst. Subs: Taylor - 0/10 - happy to be proved wrong by the camera, but he was 100% culpable for the butt, his momentum was towards the player (who cynically tripped him - no more), he was looking for it. If he’s broken his nose, then I think he’s only got himself to blame. It will heal during his 3-game ban. Unprofessional. LJ has said he’ll back him on BBCRB, but from the angle I saw it at, there’s Little to defend. Diedhiou - 5/10 - little service, should’ve scored. Magnüsson - not rated The hindsight view: Vyner at RB, Wright alongside Flint. Diedhiou instead of Woodrow (but surely the selection was with Tuesday in mind) The squad view: Its funny how we’ve thought we have good depth, but one poor performance challenges that thought. I think today, those of you who question what Smith brings, may see what we miss when he’s not there.
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: I think you will find that Pack is meant to be our defensive midfielder when Smith is not playing. It's not that simple. We were playing 4-2-4 in effect. I blame LJ for that, not brownhill or pack. Did you not notice how open we were in midfield?! It was the wrong players in the wrong formation. Showed a decent Leeds team no respect. We needed some steel in midfield. Wright should have been centre back. Vyner rb Famara should have started. Hegeler should have been centre mid and either odowda or leko on the bench also pack AND smith are the holding mids. When they are both playing we look far more solid. Both have defensive instincts,
Cider Queen Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 33 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: Anyone who was in the Lansdown upper could have seen that all of our back 4 were utter turd, Bryan included. Agreed and from the Dolman our midfield non existent! Pathetic performance all round.. Hoping it's just an off day and not glimpse of things to come!
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Where do we start? Bad day at the office. I rarely criticise a starting eleven and having just heard LJ on BBCRB, I won’t start now. I could see the logic, maybe if not what I’d have done personally. Usual 6/10 is a player deserving of his wages. I’m gonna be tough on myself and only go full marks. Fielding 5/10 - hesitant today. The lines between him and our back two were very inconsistent. Couple of okay saves. Not gonna blame him for goals. Wright 5/10 - Leeds so well prep’d, never gave him any time on ball, exploiting his weakness on the ball. Did ok defensively, but the lack of capability with it means we are stifled at home. Might’ve shaded a 6 if If was being generous. Flint 4/10 - don’t think he dealt well with Losoggo at all. Leeds played everything into him and picked up pieces around him. For first goal, don’t know why he tried to do a block tackle / clearance when he could’ve cleared it down the pitch without needing to clear it into the player? Second goal, why not just pass it away for a corner, the route back to Fielding wasn’t there. Sliding it back was the risk...we paid for it. Hegeler 5/10 - pretty similar as Flint, but I don’t think he was involved in their goals like Flint was. Came into midfield with the ball a couple of times. Don’t believe the radio for those who said Flint won everything and Hegeler didn’t....that’s conscious bias imho. Leko 4/10 - two good runs, great. The rest...my one-off opinion (first time i’ve seen him live) is that he looks like he doesn’t have a football brain. Very poor when we don’t have the ball, makes wrong decisions. Was crocked early on, was that to do with it. Won’t tar future performances with my view of this one, but looks like the kid who has had it too easy at youth football. O’Dowda - 4/10 - what a chance to impose his place in the first team. Wasted. Said it before, gives away cheap fouls, Ayling sucked him in two or three times. Pack - 3/10 - seemed to be treading water out there. Not been the player I rate over the last couple of games. Vieira won everything, chased and harried him into going sideways, backwards or giving it away. Forward passes rarely found his teammates. Brownhill - 6/10 - 5 first half, 7 second. Worked his socks off. Not quite his day on the ball, but tried to drive us on second half. Probably ahead of Pack in terms of selection now. Reid - 4/10 - pretty anonymous today, but given so little service. Woodrow - 5/10 - very little service, but in our better spell in last 15 minutes of first half, he was the catalyst. Subs: Taylor - 0/10 - happy to be proved wrong by the camera, but he was 100% culpable for the butt, his momentum was towards the player (who cynically tripped him - no more), he was looking for it. If he’s broken his nose, then I think he’s only got himself to blame. It will heal during his 3-game ban. Unprofessional. LJ has said he’ll back him on BBCRB, but from the angle I saw it at, there’s Little to defend. Diedhiou - 5/10 - little service, should’ve scored. Magnüsson - not rated The hindsight view: Vyner at RB, Wright alongside Flint. Diedhiou instead of Woodrow (but surely the selection was with Tuesday in mind) The squad view: Its funny how we’ve thought we have good depth, but one poor performance challenges that thought. I think today, those of you who question what Smith brings, may see what we miss when he’s not there. Hegeler was poor and totally at fault for the 3rd goal which is the point at which LJ had thankfully seen enough. I think you might need to revisit the red cards, yes he was wrong to confront the player but the Leeds player looks to me to have clearly nutted him, the photo on the red card thread clearly shows contact, should have been a red and a yellow.
Antman Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Hegeler was poor and totally at fault for the 3rd goal which is the point at which LJ had thankfully seen enough. I think you might need to revisit the red cards, yes he was wrong to confront the player but the Leeds player looks to me to have clearly nutted him, the photo on the red card thread clearly shows contact, should have been a red and a yellow. Taylor clearly put his head in first.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Antman said: Taylor clearly put his head in first. ?
Antman Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: ? that doesn't show Taylor getting up and sticking his head in the guys face. which is what he did. you know a still isnt in any way a fair representation of the events. The Leeds player responded and that's the red. it was stupid for Taylor to respond to the trip like that. Leeds game plan was to get in our faces and ruffle feathers and it worked annoyingly well.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Antman said: that doesn't show Taylor getting up and sticking his head in the guys face. which is what he did. you know a still isnt in any way a fair representation of the events. The Leeds player responded and that's the red. it was stupid for Taylor to respond to the trip like that. Leeds game plan was to get in our faces and ruffle feathers and it worked annoyingly well. I agree that Taylor was wrong to confront him and was deserving of a yellow and yes got in the guys face but the only head movement came from the Leeds player, I think it is very clear, As I said on another thread my immediate reaction was Taylor was play acting but on multiple views it is clear that the only head movement is from the Leeds player.
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Brownhill the only City player that looked championship standard on the day. Enjoy him whilst you can, he will move on up the ladder pretty soon.
Calculus Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Where do we start? Bad day at the office. I rarely criticise a starting eleven and having just heard LJ on BBCRB, I won’t start now. I could see the logic, maybe if not what I’d have done personally. Usual 6/10 is a player deserving of his wages. I’m gonna be tough on myself and only go full marks. Fielding 5/10 - hesitant today. The lines between him and our back two were very inconsistent. Couple of okay saves. Not gonna blame him for goals. Wright 5/10 - Leeds so well prep’d, never gave him any time on ball, exploiting his weakness on the ball. Did ok defensively, but the lack of capability with it means we are stifled at home. Might’ve shaded a 6 if If was being generous. Flint 4/10 - don’t think he dealt well with Losoggo at all. Leeds played everything into him and picked up pieces around him. For first goal, don’t know why he tried to do a block tackle / clearance when he could’ve cleared it down the pitch without needing to clear it into the player? Second goal, why not just pass it away for a corner, the route back to Fielding wasn’t there. Sliding it back was the risk...we paid for it. Hegeler 5/10 - pretty similar as Flint, but I don’t think he was involved in their goals like Flint was. Came into midfield with the ball a couple of times. Don’t believe the radio for those who said Flint won everything and Hegeler didn’t....that’s conscious bias imho. Leko 4/10 - two good runs, great. The rest...my one-off opinion (first time i’ve seen him live) is that he looks like he doesn’t have a football brain. Very poor when we don’t have the ball, makes wrong decisions. Was crocked early on, was that to do with it. Won’t tar future performances with my view of this one, but looks like the kid who has had it too easy at youth football. O’Dowda - 4/10 - what a chance to impose his place in the first team. Wasted. Said it before, gives away cheap fouls, Ayling sucked him in two or three times. Pack - 3/10 - seemed to be treading water out there. Not been the player I rate over the last couple of games. Vieira won everything, chased and harried him into going sideways, backwards or giving it away. Forward passes rarely found his teammates. Brownhill - 6/10 - 5 first half, 7 second. Worked his socks off. Not quite his day on the ball, but tried to drive us on second half. Probably ahead of Pack in terms of selection now. Reid - 4/10 - pretty anonymous today, but given so little service. Woodrow - 5/10 - very little service, but in our better spell in last 15 minutes of first half, he was the catalyst. Subs: Taylor - 0/10 - happy to be proved wrong by the camera, but he was 100% culpable for the butt, his momentum was towards the player (who cynically tripped him - no more), he was looking for it. If he’s broken his nose, then I think he’s only got himself to blame. It will heal during his 3-game ban. Unprofessional. LJ has said he’ll back him on BBCRB, but from the angle I saw it at, there’s Little to defend. Diedhiou - 5/10 - little service, should’ve scored. Magnüsson - not rated The hindsight view: Vyner at RB, Wright alongside Flint. Diedhiou instead of Woodrow (but surely the selection was with Tuesday in mind) The squad view: Its funny how we’ve thought we have good depth, but one poor performance challenges that thought. I think today, those of you who question what Smith brings, may see what we miss when he’s not there. Interesting that you've rated Hegeler better then Flint, which I agree with. Both were terrible, IMO, but how Flint gets away with some of his performances is beyond me. A good first ball winner, often a threat from set pieces but can't handle people running at him. The sooner we get Baker and Wright back in the middle and a reliable back up for Pisano that LJ trusts the better...
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Hegeler was poor and totally at fault for the 3rd goal which is the point at which LJ had thankfully seen enough. I think you might need to revisit the red cards, yes he was wrong to confront the player but the Leeds player looks to me to have clearly nutted him, the photo on the red card thread clearly shows contact, should have been a red and a yellow. Couldn’t see whose job it was to track losoggo for his header. If Hegeler, then fair enough. I do think that too many on here just post pre-conceived views of players without watching the match orvthe individual performances. Hegeler wasn’t great today, but he wasn’t shit, nor was he worse than Flint....but he’s a an easy target, languid style, not a tough-style CB (like our Aden), so let’s just give him 1/10 and say he’s shit. Not having a go at you, just some on here probably haven;t even watched today.
winsaw Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 59 minutes ago, petehinton said: Everyone a 5/10 or lower except Bryan who was 6/10 Hegelar 3/10 Reid 4/10 Brownhill MOTM for me was at least a 7, did the work of 2 all afternoon
Ska Junkie Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Couldn’t see whose job it was to track losoggo for his header. If Hegeler, then fair enough. I do think that too many on here just post pre-conceived views of players without watching the match orvthe individual performances. Hegeler wasn’t great today, but he wasn’t shit, nor was he worse than Flint....but he’s a an easy target, languid style, not a tough-style CB (like our Aden), so let’s just give him 1/10 and say he’s shit. Not having a go at you, just some on here probably haven;t even watched today. Dave, I gave him a 1 and thought he was lucky to get that. I've always liked him as a player and defended him at times but I really did think he was awful today hence my score. Nothing to do with preconceptions, just an honest opinion of a terrible performance by Jens.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Couldn’t see whose job it was to track losoggo for his header. If Hegeler, then fair enough. I do think that too many on here just post pre-conceived views of players without watching the match orvthe individual performances. Hegeler wasn’t great today, but he wasn’t shit, nor was he worse than Flint....but he’s a an easy target, languid style, not a tough-style CB (like our Aden), so let’s just give him 1/10 and say he’s shit. Not having a go at you, just some on here probably haven;t even watched today. Because no matter how many times he might have played there he is not a CB and that is not his fault if the manager chooses him to play there ahead of Magnússon when there is an injury. In a way we were lucky that LJ never played him in CM with Pack, can you imagine how slow that would have been?.
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Calculus said: Interesting that you've rated Hegeler better then Flint, which I agree with. Both were terrible, IMO, but how Flint gets away with some of his performances is beyond me. A good first ball winner, often a threat from set pieces but can't handle people running at him. The sooner we get Baker and Wright back in the middle and a reliable back up for Pisano that LJ trusts the better... Terrible is an interesting word, but strong for my liking. Would like to see Baker and Wright, Pisano and Bryan. That imho is our best defensive back 4. Flint’s goals....darn them. Would be an easier decision without them.
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 My ratings for today. Bryan and Brownhill - just about acceptable. Everyone else - completely shite. Leeds were a reasonable side, they might have been very good but we don't know because we didn't require them to actually do anything to get three goals. Hegeler should never be picked at centre half, we'd already established that but apparently LJ forgot. Bailey Wright is a proper centre half so we play him right back, where he's awful, and we play Hegeler centre half, where he's awful. Makes no sense whatsoever. At the very least swap them over so your only out of position player is at full back, but why not use Vyner or Magnússon? Boggles the mind (and yes I heard his explanation on the radio and it was a load of horse shit, he should have held his hands up to poor judgement there and moved on). Fielding's kicking is actually getting worse and what he was doing for the second is beyond me, he should have smothered that. Pack continues to be somewhat useful off the ball and a complete plodder on it. Can someone take him aside and ban him from shooting from outside the box please? Woodrow and Reid were both ineffective, though with no service to speak of. Leko looked like Eliasson did last time, an inexperienced winger in front of a centre half playing full back. No support on the overlap, no support from a central midfielder (something we miss without Korey) and consequently not enough confidence to grab the ball and run at them. O'Dowda lost the ball more times than I could count despite having Bryan around. He put in a decent cross to Reid for what was the only chance of the game but we really missed Patterson's ball retention there. Flint was below average for him. Unassured at the back and no threat going forward. We can't have nine players out of eleven failing to turn up to any game, let alone one where the manager has picked the wrong side and the opponents are not awful. No need to panic, it's only one game, and not one I thought we'd win as soon as I saw the teamsheet - I think it's best to draw a line under the whole mess and move on.
ciderrider Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I think all the low marks for Flint are a bit harsh, Hegeler was so bad that Flint was effectively playing in central defense on his own today. Im not saying he played well, obviously most players were poor today, but the big man wasnt as bad as some scores are saying.
Antman Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Couldn’t see whose job it was to track losoggo for his header. If Hegeler, then fair enough. I do think that too many on here just post pre-conceived views of players without watching the match orvthe individual performances. Hegeler wasn’t great today, but he wasn’t shit, nor was he worse than Flint....but he’s a an easy target, languid style, not a tough-style CB (like our Aden), so let’s just give him 1/10 and say he’s shit. Not having a go at you, just some on here probably haven;t even watched today. watch Hegelar for the first (?) one, the ball passes him by and he makes no attempt to get involved, strolling back. that was poor he did leave Flint exposed for that, but Flint amplified things by making a grand fluff of everything.
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Dave, I gave him a 1 and thought he was lucky to get that. I've always liked him as a player and defended him at times but I really did think he was awful today hence my score. Nothing to do with preconceptions, just an honest opinion of a terrible performance by Jens. That is perfectly fair enough. I will now check what you gave Flint!
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Antman said: watch Hegelar for the first (?) one, the ball passes him by and he makes no attempt to get involved, strolling back. that was poor he did leave Flint exposed for that, but Flint amplified things by making a grand fluff of everything. Will watch the highlights....my views are from one view only....happy to be wrong.
GrahamC Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nibor said: My ratings for today. Bryan and Brownhill - just about acceptable. Everyone else - completely shite. Leeds were a reasonable side, they might have been very good but we don't know because we didn't require them to actually do anything to get three goals. Hegeler should never be picked at centre half, we'd already established that but apparently LJ forgot. Bailey Wright is a proper centre half so we play him right back, where he's awful, and we play Hegeler centre half, where he's awful. Makes no sense whatsoever. At the very least swap them over so your only out of position player is at full back, but why not use Vyner or Magnússon? Boggles the mind (and yes I heard his explanation on the radio and it was a load of horse shit, he should have held his hands up to poor judgement there and moved on). Fielding's kicking is actually getting worse and what he was doing for the second is beyond me. So true. Inexplicable team selection and well as Frankie has done so far this season, I am amazed more didn't notice that he should have claimed the ball when Flint tackled the ball back to him. I guess he thought it might have been given as a back pass, but it wasn't and would have been far preferable to the utter shambles that ensued.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Will watch the highlights....my views are from one view only....happy to be wrong. Take a look from 3 minutes on, I would love to see at what point Taylor tries to nut him.
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Will watch the highlights....my views are from one view only....happy to be wrong. @Antman - just seen second goal....yep, pretty poor tracking back....hands up on that. 4/10 for Jens, same as Flint.
Antman Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Take a look from 3 minutes on, I would love to see at what point Taylor tries to nut him. he was side on to the south stand, you could see it in profile, he put his head right up into his face - not a nut, i agree, but the guy shoves back on him. stupid response all round
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Antman said: he was side on to the south stand, you could see it in profile, he put his head right up into his face - not a nut, i agree, but the guy shoves back on him. stupid response all round Mate, Taylor's response was clearly wrong but a). Taylor head only moves after the contact. B). the contact occurs when the Leeds guy CLEARLY drops the nut on him when Taylor is about 3 or 4 inches away from him, surely you can see that?. Hence one red and one yellow.
Redtucks Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Generous giving fielding a 6. Awful on 2nd and scared of coming off his line throughout the game. So many routine balls to come off his line and gather, but never shouts and comes, instead stays on his line and leaves our defence to deal with it. One occasion first half ball was in the air with just Wright and fielding in the box, fielding just stays on his line and Wright is forced to head it away. Schoolboy stuff. Obviously many players were awful, but just thought Id mention him as I have never thought he is a championship goalie and today showed why. There's a surprise!!!
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 58 minutes ago, ciderrider said: I think all the low marks for Flint are a bit harsh, Hegeler was so bad that Flint was effectively playing in central defense on his own today. Im not saying he played well, obviously most players were poor today, but the big man wasnt as bad as some scores are saying. He had a poor game. By the same token, perhaps Hegeler might’ve been good today had Flint not dragged him down! Both were below par, Losoggo had too easy a game as a target man.
Donkeeebles Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Ok I will disregard Packs several outstanding performances this season and re-evaluate his capabilities as a championship player solely on today
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Donkeeebles said: Ok I will disregard Packs several outstanding performances this season and re-evaluate his capabilities as a championship player solely on today In peace, IMHO Pack will only ever look good when he has Smith or somebody of that ilk beside him, take that away and Pack is shown up as being slow and average and if Smith is poor Pack is usually worse, that is the way that I see it. I found/find it strange that people rate Pack over Smith, I said after our win at Ipswich god help us should Smith get injured, he is that important to us IMO. PS:- Nobody can fault Pack's effort or bravery.
Son of Fred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Forever Red 94 said: Flint a 6? Today showed he is not as good as people make out! Kick the ball long towards him and sure he looks good. But, positionally he is poor, cant defend the ball on the floor and has the turning circle of a double decker. He didnt have baker to hold his hand today and got badly exposed. Should of cashed in when we had the chance! Get pisano back and partner baker with wright. One thing I'll agree with is the bite of Eros to return at fullback..as regards back stabbing Flinty??..ok,not the best game, but have a feckin word with yourself.
Forever Red 94 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: One thing I'll agree with is the bite of Eros to return at fullback..as regards back stabbing Flinty??..ok,not the best game, but have a feckin word with yourself. Why would it be backstabbing? He is a level below both wright and baker! He has got away with some truly dreadful performances and mistakes over the past couple of seasons, no room for sentiment in football, we have to go with our strongest back 4 when everybody fit. Which does not include flint
Donkeeebles Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Forever Red 94 said: Why would it be backstabbing? He is a level below both wright and baker! He has got away with some truly dreadful performances and mistakes over the past couple of seasons, no room for sentiment in football, we have to go with our strongest back 4 when everybody fit. Which does not include flint Didn't be just win championship player of the month? I guess he's doing something right
cityred exile Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 4 hours ago, RedJim said: Brownhill MOTM. Another good performance from him despite the poor team showing. He is a quality player and seems to be getting better all the time. you took the words out of my mouth !
Chappers Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Hardly worth giving marks, overall it was a poor team performance and Leeds had the measure of us all game. Just horribly disjointed, and in all honesty, I doubt that a couple of changes in starting XI would have made much difference. 5 games in 15 days means that squad rotation likely, main thing now is for the players to move on.
ZiderEyed Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Hegeler was hilariously poor. Brownhill did well, Bryan did well, the rest were abominable.
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