JamesBCFC Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Northred said: You really think so,not with amount of points were dropping, I don't think so after Mark Ashtons statement, The same statement you twisted a pretzel so that it meant what you wanted it to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Do not put words into others’ mouths Rather silly and juvenile No place on an adult forum Silence would be your best option! Excellent response Ivor. Exactly in keeping with your dreary outlook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said: Excellent response Ivor. Exactly in keeping with your dreary outlook! It's also incredibly hypocritcal of him, given his own assertions that the club aren't actually after promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted February 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: The same statement you twisted a pretzel so that it meant what you wanted it to? Just stating the amount of point were dropping I dont think we'll make playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Northred said: Just stating the amount of point were dropping I dont think we'll make playoffs That doesn't change the words Mark Ashton said into the ones you twisted them into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 Perhaps the club are in no mad rush, or not going to bust a gut, to get promotion, while we are still more "Blackpool" (when they went up) than we are "Burnley" (enough things in place to be optimistic of staying there). Perhaps they are quietly confident that, unlike previous times (eg 10 years ago) this tilt at the top six has not happened in spite of the general state of the club, but because of it; and that another one next season is to be expected. Perhaps they have noted, and are encouraged, that Brighton took 6 seasons of Championship football and three failed play-offs before winning promotion, and are doing well in the Prem. Perhaps they'd rather the squad was stronger (and believe this will be the case next September, as it has been strengthened for 3 or 4 years in a row now) before reaching the top and that finding ourselves in the PL next season with Mags and Elliason and Walsh and one or two others like them on the bench would be too challenging. Perhaps the club want to, and think they can, get this club into the PL and be more "Swansea" than "Cardiff" in the PL, there to stay, rather than there to pick up £100m/ be relegated, and that growing incrementally will achieve this. Perhaps. Or, perhaps I am a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Honiton Tony said: If they were serious about promotion they would have got in some decent players in January The strategy - whether you or I agree with it or not - has been explained time and again to us by the powers that be. You clearly still don't get it, so how about watching Plymouth instead? If not, there's a whole lot more frustration ahead for you and opportunities aplenty to make yourself look daft with comments like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Perhaps the club are in no mad rush, or not going to bust a gut, to get promotion, while we are still more "Blackpool" (when they went up) than we are "Burnley" (enough things in place to be optimistic of staying there). Perhaps they are quietly confident that, unlike previous times (eg 10 years ago) this tilt at the top six has not happened in spite of the general state of the club, but because of it; and that another one next season is to be expected. Perhaps they have noted, and are encouraged, that Brighton took 6 seasons of Championship football and three failed play-offs before winning promotion, and are doing well in the Prem. Perhaps they'd rather the squad was stronger (and believe this will be the case next September, as it has been strengthened for 3 or 4 years in a row now) before reaching the top and that finding ourselves in the PL next season with Mags and Elliason and Walsh and one or two others like them on the bench would be too challenging. Perhaps the club want to, and think they can, get this club into the PL and be more "Swansea" than "Cardiff" in the PL, there to stay, rather than there to pick up £100m/ be relegated, and that growing incrementally will achieve this. Perhaps. Or, perhaps I am a fool. Exactly my feelings. I would also add that staying down allows more time for academy players to develop into better players, hopefully meaning less outlay on expensive signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Perhaps the club are in no mad rush, or not going to bust a gut, to get promotion, while we are still more "Blackpool" (when they went up) than we are "Burnley" (enough things in place to be optimistic of staying there). Perhaps they are quietly confident that, unlike previous times (eg 10 years ago) this tilt at the top six has not happened in spite of the general state of the club, but because of it; and that another one next season is to be expected. Perhaps they have noted, and are encouraged, that Brighton took 6 seasons of Championship football and three failed play-offs before winning promotion, and are doing well in the Prem. Perhaps they'd rather the squad was stronger (and believe this will be the case next September, as it has been strengthened for 3 or 4 years in a row now) before reaching the top and that finding ourselves in the PL next season with Mags and Elliason and Walsh and one or two others like them on the bench would be too challenging. Perhaps the club want to, and think they can, get this club into the PL and be more "Swansea" than "Cardiff" in the PL, there to stay, rather than there to pick up £100m/ be relegated, and that growing incrementally will achieve this. Perhaps. Or, perhaps I am a fool. Brighton are 100% the club we should be looking to emulate, bar one disastrous season. 5 of their last 6 seasons in the Championship 10th, 4th, 6th, 3rd, 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Ivorguy said: I just think you are wrong It gives out all the wrong message - added to LJ’s comment re not aiming for automatic not good man management of players If I thought promotion was real possibility in next couple of seasons I might be a little mollified but can’t see we will be in December 2017 position automaticallyany time soon Huge missed opportunity As I have said same old City Why don't you think it's a possibility, Ivor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Exactly my feelings. I would also add that staying down allows more time for academy players to develop into better players, hopefully meaning less outlay on expensive signings. Great let's stay down then . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: You quote directly, good idea . You then put your own interpretation of what he means which is exactly what everyone else has done . I pretty much read it as the club don't believe that they will get promoted this season and are/ were not prepared to take the gamble to try to make it happen. It looks like ' play it safe ' from the club which in all likelihood means we won't quite do it . I don’t read it like that though. So unless he specifically said we aren’t targeting promotion which he didn’t then I don’t get the vitriol towards the interview. It is pretty clear Bristol city will never gamble based on league position. We didn’t last January when fighting relegation and didn’t this January chasing promotion. Our plan is always to bring in what scouts say is/could be better than what we have. If it works out no one questions though. Kent, Diony and Walsh haven’t made huge impacts so people are taking cheap shots at the club which is appalling imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Perhaps the club are in no mad rush, or not going to bust a gut, to get promotion, while we are still more "Blackpool" (when they went up) than we are "Burnley" (enough things in place to be optimistic of staying there). Perhaps they are quietly confident that, unlike previous times (eg 10 years ago) this tilt at the top six has not happened in spite of the general state of the club, but because of it; and that another one next season is to be expected. Perhaps they have noted, and are encouraged, that Brighton took 6 seasons of Championship football and three failed play-offs before winning promotion, and are doing well in the Prem. Perhaps they'd rather the squad was stronger (and believe this will be the case next September, as it has been strengthened for 3 or 4 years in a row now) before reaching the top and that finding ourselves in the PL next season with Mags and Elliason and Walsh and one or two others like them on the bench would be too challenging. Perhaps the club want to, and think they can, get this club into the PL and be more "Swansea" than "Cardiff" in the PL, there to stay, rather than there to pick up £100m/ be relegated, and that growing incrementally will achieve this. Perhaps. Or, perhaps I am a fool. I'll go for your second option . ( just teasing ! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Northred said: He made a statement to say we are not prepared for promotion this season, I don't think we can look forward to playoffs with the comment, why build our hopes up, oh well another season in championship next season Yes indeed, a fate worse than hell. If you're serious, I'd suggest having a word with yourself and getting some perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Yes indeed, a fate worse than hell. If you're serious, I'd suggest having a word with yourself and getting some perspective. From his posts I doubt him talking to himself will produce any real sense of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think what he said about promotion is fair enough. It's what he said about the recruitment process that worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said: The same statement you twisted a pretzel so that it meant what you wanted it to? Just look at that window-Ashton & Co have had a shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: Just look at that window-Ashton & Co have had a shocker. Surely the proof of that would be based on what the incoming players have done by the end of the season, not after 4 weeks? Never an opportunity missed by yourself to lump on the negatives though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honiton Tony Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: The strategy - whether you or I agree with it or not - has been explained time and again to us by the powers that be. You clearly still don't get it, so how about watching Plymouth instead? If not, there's a whole lot more frustration ahead for you and opportunities aplenty to make yourself look daft with comments like that. I am fully aware that we have a lot of decent players I was meaning the players we got In during January which were a long way from what was needed . And what the hell has Plymouth got to do with it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 45 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Why don't you think it's a possibility, Ivor? Because the likelihood of putting a promotion team together following the five pillars would require a great deal of luck, given we will have our best players leaving when we are anywhere half decent and we will not be investing, as per this season, when a final push could well get us over the line If we don’t seriously go for promotion then the opposite could be our fate The problem, as I have said before, hinges on bringing new and additional monies in to supplement the five pillar approach. I think the five pillar approach is flawed Seriously hope I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, Honiton Tony said: I am fully aware that we have a lot of decent players I was meaning the players we got In during January which were a long way from what was needed . And what the hell has Plymouth got to do with it ? As I said - you don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I'll go for your second option . ( just teasing ! ) Won't get fooled again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: Won't get fooled again. Baba ORiley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 37 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Because the likelihood of putting a promotion team together following the five pillars would require a great deal of luck, given we will have our best players leaving when we are anywhere half decent and we will not be investing, as per this season, when a final push could well get us over the line If we don’t seriously go for promotion then the opposite could be our fate The problem, as I have said before, hinges on bringing new and additional monies in to supplement the five pillar approach. I think the five pillar approach is flawed Seriously hope I am wrong Thanks. I'm not entirely sold on the pillars myself. However... You mention that if some our best players leave this will set us back. Why - where's the evidence their replacements will be worse? There's just as much chance they'll be as good, and why not even better? We just don't know, yet you're assuming the worst case scenario. Perhaps I'm being too optimistic (not my default setting btw) - again, who knows? Kodjia is now the template - sell high and buy a very good replacement for a lot less. So why can't this work when/if Flint or Bryan move on? As for January - in my view, the season we go up will be when we get all the necessary transfers done in the summer, we get lucky with no or few injuries, and we don't need to do any business at all mid season (a time when the type of players we need, at the type of money we can afford, just aren't around). All things considered, I don't see the value in making a desperate dash for promotion this season. It's not the be all and end all right now. Of course, failure to make the play-offs after such a good 2/3s of the season would be disappointing but thinking about the massive strides forward we've made in the last 12 months and the belief we can continue to progress will be of some consolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Robert the bruce said: Just look at that window-Ashton & Co have had a shocker. Yeh- just look at it: We didn't manage to sell one single player. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Ivorguy said: Because the likelihood of putting a promotion team together following the five pillars would require a great deal of luck, given we will have our best players leaving when we are anywhere half decent and we will not be investing, as per this season, when a final push could well get us over the line If we don’t seriously go for promotion then the opposite could be our fate The problem, as I have said before, hinges on bringing new and additional monies in to supplement the five pillar approach. I think the five pillar approach is flawed Seriously hope I am wrong Do you understand how FFP works fella? Do you understand contracts, who's available, what money is available, who fits, what wage demands etc? How do you intend to bring these 'additional monies' in, within the confines of FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, spudski said: Do you understand how FFP works fella? Do you understand contracts, who's available, what money is available, who fits, what wage demands etc? How do you intend to bring these 'additional monies' in, within the confines of FFP? Get Uncle Steve to wheel in sacks of cash through a tunnel under the pillars, obvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Fair enough. But having listened to the interview the vibe was very much ‘we want to do as well as we can but we won’t bet the house on it’ - ie we will continue with our way of doing things and not throw everything that we’ve committed to, in terms of overall strategy, out of the window. I don’t know how anyone can have heard it and drawn the conclusion ‘we don’t want to go up’ which is how it often seems to have been misrepresented. Come on, yes you do, be honest with yourself man. This is OTIB! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Robert the bruce said: Just look at that window-Ashton & Co have had a shocker. Ok- if you're unclear: I felt that one of the biggest threats to our squad in January was never all about who we did or didn't buy but who we might sell or have to sell (i.e. the player wants to leave). Against a lot of odds- we kept all of our important players and managed to ensure that there's something like 20 ( mainly youth) players out on loan. In Jan we had the likelihood of several first teamers returning- some of which could easily make the starting line up- we bought a potentially very good midfielder in Walsh (early days) and loaned in two, on the face of it, very exciting players. If that all amounts to a "shocker" then a "good window" would surely be signing De Bruyne and Messi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Ok- if you're unclear: I felt that one of the biggest threats to our squad in January was never all about who we did or didn't buy but who we might sell or have to sell (i.e. the player wants to leave). Against a lot of odds- we kept all of our important players and managed to ensure that there's something like 20 ( mainly youth) players out on loan. In Jan we had the likelihood of several first teamers returning- some of which could easily make the starting line up- we bought a potentially very good midfielder in Walsh (early days) and loaned in two, on the face of it, very exciting players. If that all amounts to a "shocker" then a "good window" would surely be signing De Bruyne and Messi. Nah its a shambles because we didn't go out and spend £10m plus taking a big risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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