Port Said Red Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I was one of those who was beginning to wonder whether the lad would learn what was required in this league, but since the last time he cost us a goal , he seems to have come back stronger and stronger. I thought that was one of his best performances today, strong in the air and on the ground and confident in his own ability. I realise that Wednesday were poor but I think that the most telling thing was that Flint looked comfortable with him there, which I can't say has been the case in the past. Yes, you could say he has a mistake in him, but you could say that about John Stones and how much did he cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 He did ok today without too much pressure from Wednesday. Tuesday will be tougher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Not the strongest centre back, but having been to Italian defending school, Hörður actually reads attacks really well, and will often come in with a decisive intervention. Tuesday will be more of a challenge but without Hugill up front, can't imagine it will be as physical as taking on Nihiu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Maggersno1Fan said: Maggers is top draw & probably helps a lot that the person in front of him doesn’t go off Galavanting I guess you are a fan of his then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just needs to avoid the tendency to be a bit casual at times, but he is still young and getting better all the time. I really like the lad, especially his long throws. I did notice before his first long throw, he was not coming forward to take it until the Icelandic chant started. Fan power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Just needs to avoid the tendency to be a bit casual at times, but he is still young and getting better all the time. I really like the lad, especially his long throws. I did notice before his first long throw, he was not coming forward to take it until the Icelandic chant started. Fan power? I can't remember...serious question...have we ever scored from the consequences of a Hörður throw in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spud55 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, spudski said: I can't remember...serious question...have we ever scored from the consequences of a Hörður throw in? Cardiff at home Flint header from Hörður throw in, Leeds away as well, not direct but as a result of the general chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, spudski said: I can't remember...serious question...have we ever scored from the consequences of a Hörður throw in? Flint, Cardiff at home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, spudski said: I can't remember...serious question...have we ever scored from the consequences of a Hörður throw in? We counted it in another thread, 4 this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Hörður is gettin better and better. Soon he will score I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I can certainly remember one very recent game where 2 Hordour throws resulted in 2 goals. Can't remember which game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said: Hörður is gettin better and better. Soon he will score I think. Hopefully we'll see one of these free kicks that he developed with Pirlo. Genuinely confident having him in the side now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I like Maggers .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I realise why people worry about Maggy , he is all left foot. Any opposition will be able to play on that . He is a good player but I would be working on his right foot because he is a little predictable. He loses valuable seconds as he takes the ball on to his left and we know where he's going with it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 I like maggy. Seems a little to calm under pressure ! Started to win more in the air , reads the game well , has the odd error in him , and doesn’t seem to be the strongest physically. I thought he took free kicks for Iceland ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 42 minutes ago, spudski said: I can't remember...serious question...have we ever scored from the consequences of a Hörður throw in? 2 at Leeds a couple of weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BS13Red Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Djuric scored from the long throw in the cup game v Palace also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 58 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Just needs to avoid the tendency to be a bit casual at times, but he is still young and getting better all the time. I really like the lad, especially his long throws. I did notice before his first long throw, he was not coming forward to take it until the Icelandic chant started. Fan power? Nail on the head there + needs to be stronger when it gets a little physical, is easy to out muscle at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Solid game today. Very difficult against Nihui and Joao and they didn’t win many headers against him. He kept the ball well and has learned the key fact of if in doubt get that round fu**er out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 He looks classy on the ball. Never rushed and rarely gives it away. His passing is always very accurate. You can see him improving every game. Really liked him in the middle today. Competition for places starting to develop all over the pitch. Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 He has at least two **** ups per game in him! However that doesn’t mean he won’t get better and I like the weapon he has. Cue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 LJ singled out praise for him today. I think good management as Mags strikes me as a confidence player who’ll take it well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 There is no wonder he is rated after today's performance. In Maggers you have a centre half who can actually bring the ball out of defence, pick out decent passes etc. Baker and certainly not Flint are really capable of that. It was a significant contribution to our overall play today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Collis1 said: There is no wonder he is rated after today's performance. In Maggers you have a centre half who can actually bring the ball out of defence, pick out decent passes etc. Baker and certainly not Flint are really capable of that. It was a significant contribution to our overall play today. Have you been watching Flint recently? What's struck me most recently is the improvement of his passing, been playing brilliant some brilliant long balls recently. Do agree RE Magnússon though. Glad to see him getting some proper praise on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Nail on the head there + needs to be stronger when it gets a little physical, is easy to out muscle at times. Just don't play at those times.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Better as a CB than a LB for me. Would't be in my ideal 11 but a good capable back up option for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 He did ok today, words like superb are way over the top for me but I can understand Lj saying that to build his confidence. He made a couple of really poor passes 2nd half, one left Flint glaring at him I what looked like disbelief to me. I still think he's short of confidence but he's improving. For me he's still behind Flint, Baker and Wright in the centre back role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Will be on bench once Baker is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 20:17, You Do The Dziekanowski said: Solid game today. Very difficult against Nihui and Joao and they didn’t win many headers against him. He kept the ball well and has learned the key fact of if in doubt get that round fu**er out I still don’t think he’s learned the ‘key fact’ - he dwelt on the ball for way too long at one point yesterday and put us bang in trouble....he does this way too much. He just needs to eliminate it from his game...he’s done it too much eg Cardiff home and away and Man City at home to name but three.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 A better game against very poor oppo. Still feel is a liability against quality but he has at least improved since start of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 20 hours ago, ZiderEyed said: Have you been watching Flint recently? What's struck me most recently is the improvement of his passing, been playing brilliant some brilliant long balls recently. Do agree RE Magnússon though. Glad to see him getting some proper praise on here. yup should have had a assists with a lovely pass putting famara clean through on goal at the weekend. His all round game just gets better and better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie pickering Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 22:29, Collis1 said: There is no wonder he is rated after today's performance. In Maggers you have a centre half who can actually bring the ball out of defence, pick out decent passes etc. Baker and certainly not Flint are really capable of that. It was a significant contribution to our overall play today. Flint can't play out from the back? I take it you missed his assist for Paterson at home to Middlesbrough earlier this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 22:29, Collis1 said: There is no wonder he is rated after today's performance. In Maggers you have a centre half who can actually bring the ball out of defence, pick out decent passes etc.... Really?! I just saw a guy who continually spanked it down the channels to no-one in particular....nothing against Maggers, but you obviously watched a different game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 22:29, Collis1 said: There is no wonder he is rated after today's performance. In Maggers you have a centre half who can actually bring the ball out of defence, pick out decent passes etc. Baker and certainly not Flint are really capable of that. It was a significant contribution to our overall play today. Said in another thread, but I think because Flint looks so awkward on the ball people seem to have this impression of him, whereas in reality his range of passing is exceptional for a championship level centre back. Can't think of many others that can play 2 defence splitting through balls in the air and on the deck in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StGeorge Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Really?! I just saw a guy who continually spanked it down the channels to no-one in particular....nothing against Maggers, but you obviously watched a different game... No he didn't, really, yesterday no one did that apart from the odd occasion in second half. it was all about palying out from the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 21:39, REDOXO said: He has at least two **** ups per game in him! However that doesn’t mean he won’t get better and I like the weapon he has. Cue! fair summing up, just needs to be more decisive, liked it sat when he just hoofed it up field. sometimes that's all that's needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I still don’t think he’s learned the ‘key fact’ - he dwelt on the ball for way too long at one point yesterday and put us bang in trouble....he does this way too much. He just needs to eliminate it from his game...he’s done it too much eg Cardiff home and away and Man City at home to name but three.... Agreed he holds on to the ball longer than what’s needed. He always looks to keep the ball on the deck where possible, drags strikers out of position by holding on to it giving more time and space to Smith/Pack. The errors we saw against Man City and Cardiff seem to have stopped. He’s not letting the ball go out under pressure, he’s putting challenges in if he keeps his spot in the team I’m confident he’d be a championship standard defender come May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lerring Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 19:58, kivsy said: doesn’t seem to be the strongest physically. Totally agree. Needs a bit more muscle and, more importantly, aggression. He got bundled into our net off the ball by a Wednesday forward and said/did nothing about it. You'd never see anyone trying that on with baker or flint. Mags is definitely improving, but that aggression is a vital asset he needs to add to become a solid championship centre back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 22:39, REDOXO said: He has at least two **** ups per game in him! However that doesn’t mean he won’t get better and I like the weapon he has. Cue! ' cue ' , blimey is that what they call him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 22:29, Collis1 said: There is no wonder he is rated after today's performance. In Maggers you have a centre half who can actually bring the ball out of defence, pick out decent passes etc. Baker and certainly not Flint are really capable of that. It was a significant contribution to our overall play today. Huh? Flint is actually pretty decent at this. Clearly something thats been worked on because he didnt used to be but his distribution is much better than say 1/2 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Maggers did well Saturday and also did well against Fulham. I couldn't help but laugh though when he pile-drove that cross field ball out of play near the end on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, MarcusX said: Huh? Flint is actually pretty decent at this. Clearly something thats been worked on because he didnt used to be but his distribution is much better than say 1/2 years ago God, I hate 'Huh' - American shit. Didn't your parents teach you any manners? As someone else mentioned, I must have been watching a different game. But, the game I was watching Maggers was bringing the ball out defence and getting involved with some pretty intricate passes with Pack/Smith. Whilst its true Flint has improved his distribution, I have never seen him do this to the extent of Maggers on Saturday. HUH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 15 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Really?! I just saw a guy who continually spanked it down the channels to no-one in particular....nothing against Maggers, but you obviously watched a different game... http://championship.squawka.com/english-football-league-championship/03-03-2018/bristol-vs-sheff-w-day/matches Click on Magnússon, passing and you will see his passing map. He played very few passes into channels. Astonishing improvement in accuracy compared to the match v Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 37 minutes ago, Cowshed said: http://championship.squawka.com/english-football-league-championship/03-03-2018/bristol-vs-sheff-w-day/matches Click on Magnússon, passing and you will see his passing map. He played very few passes into channels. Astonishing improvement in accuracy compared to the match v Cardiff. I believe what this does show is that possibly LJ has told him to play simpler as a lot of the passes are sideways or backwards and very short. Also the passes given away are longer which tells its own story. Thought he was average Saturday. Did what was expected against a team that didn’t test him, too many getting carried away because he didn’t **** up for once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: I believe what this does show is that possibly LJ has told him to play simpler as a lot of the passes are sideways or backwards and very short. Also the passes given away are longer which tells its own story. Thought he was average Saturday. Did what was expected against a team that didn’t test him, too many getting carried away because he didn’t **** up for once No getting carried away. He did what I would hope a ball playing centre back would do distribute the ball successfully and simply retaining possession versus inviting pressure onto the team from lost possession e.g. numerous members of the team over recent weeks. I believe the improvement was due to being at CB, and the improvement across the team was in the teams selection and shape which encourages to feet rather than longer. Regarding your he didn't **** up for once. How many errors defensive errors has he made leading to goals this season in the league? Yes passes given away are longer. A norm. However another player whose passing accuracy improved significantly Saturday was Fielding due to dropping the ball short into the option of Magnússon showing for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Do you change the back four after a good performance though? For me Mags starts tomorrow regardless of Bailey's fitness and if we defend well again, he starts again against Burton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: http://championship.squawka.com/english-football-league-championship/03-03-2018/bristol-vs-sheff-w-day/matches Click on Magnússon, passing and you will see his passing map. He played very few passes into channels. Astonishing improvement in accuracy compared to the match v Cardiff. This basically proves my point. Compare this to Flints and you will see the clear difference. This website is great by the way, how do they get this data?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Collis1 said: This basically proves my point. Compare this to Flints and you will see the clear difference. This website is great by the way, how do they get this data?! It comes from another service - https://www.optasports.com/services/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Cowshed said: No getting carried away. He did what I would hope a ball playing centre back would do distribute the ball successfully and simply retaining possession versus inviting pressure onto the team from lost possession e.g. numerous members of the team over recent weeks. I believe the improvement was due to being at CB, and the improvement across the team was in the teams selection and shape which encourages to feet rather than longer. Regarding your he didn't **** up for once. How many errors defensive errors has he made leading to goals this season in the league? Yes passes given away are longer. A norm. However another player whose passing accuracy improved significantly Saturday was Fielding due to dropping the ball short into the option of Magnússon showing for it. Frankie literally rolls it to baker and flint exactly the same and has done all season. Magnússon played 5/10 yard passes all game to flint or Bryan and sometimes pack when he dropped in. Anybody who’s played a bit of football can do that. He is still the weak link in our team and performing to a standard the same as everyone else on Saturday doesn’t mean he has become a good player for us yet. Have to agree to disagree on him. If baker is fit Magnússon doesn’t play simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I'd definitely have Bailey over Mags if he's fit. Though i expect both play if Baker is still out as pisano might be rested. LJ was full of praise post match for Hörður's performance on Saturday which suggests that Wright will be on the bench. at Deepdale. Personally I hope LJ shares my view of not changing a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 37 minutes ago, Bs4Red said: Frankie literally rolls it to baker and flint exactly the same and has done all season. Magnússon played 5/10 yard passes all game to flint or Bryan and sometimes pack when he dropped in. Anybody who’s played a bit of football can do that. He is still the weak link in our team and performing to a standard the same as everyone else on Saturday doesn’t mean he has become a good player for us yet. Have to agree to disagree on him. If baker is fit Magnússon doesn’t play simple There have been games where Frankie Fielding recently has not been rolling it out or playing it to feet consistently. A obvious example was Cardiff. Magnussons passes are not 5/10 yards, and that is a fact. That map confirmed it. And neither were they played (spanked!!) into channels as you stated. Magnussons passing ability at centre back is an asset. Note not RB. You have not answered the question regarding defensive error leading to goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Bs4Red said: I believe what this does show is that You were about as wrong as Trumps hair .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 3/3/2018 at 19:19, spudski said: I can't remember...serious question...have we ever scored from the consequences of a Hörður throw in? Not at home that I remember(get out clause) but as a defender I like him , would prefer him to stay lefter but I don't know how he is told to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I'd be surprised if Pisano plays. Out for 7 months and then 2 games in 4 days seems a bit much. Pisano will start and play for about an hour as he did on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, Robbored said: Pisano will start and play for about an hour as he did on Saturday. Is that definite or a guess based on you think he came through Saturday ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I wouldn’t change the back four too much from Saturday if possible. If Pisano is struggling then Wright has to come in but I would leave Mags at CB. You can see his confidence is growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, Robbored said: Pisano will start and play for about an hour as he did on Saturday. Is that on the website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Is that definite or a guess based on you think he came through Saturday ok? 22 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It's a guess of course but LJ and Eros himself will want game time to get upto speed. He's an integral part of the team and was sorely missed as we saw on Saturday. He did well for the hour he was on and I expect he'll get the same at Deepdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 50 minutes ago, Robbored said: It's a guess of course but LJ and Eros himself will want game time to get upto speed. He's an integral part of the team and was sorely missed as we saw on Saturday. He did well for the hour he was on and I expect he'll get the same at Deepdale. I hope he has come through unscaved, I liked what I saw pre-injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I hope he has come through unscaved, I liked what I saw pre-injury He looked a very decent RB for sure. Very skilled in the dark arts of Italian defending as well. Like most players returning after a long lay off he'll take 5 or 6 matches to get back to his pre injury fitness. Famara is only just regaining his full fitness and he's been back for.several games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip Broadwalk Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 18:41, Port Said Red said: I was one of those who was beginning to wonder whether the lad would learn what was required in this league, but since the last time he cost us a goal , he seems to have come back stronger and stronger. I thought that was one of his best performances today, strong in the air and on the ground and confident in his own ability. I realise that Wednesday were poor but I think that the most telling thing was that Flint looked comfortable with him there, which I can't say has been the case in the past. Yes, you could say he has a mistake in him, but you could say that about John Stones and how much did he cost? John Stones has barely made a mistake this season. Starting to look cheap. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 5 hours ago, Cowshed said: There have been games where Frankie Fielding recently has not been rolling it out or playing it to feet consistently. A obvious example was Cardiff. Magnussons passes are not 5/10 yards, and that is a fact. That map confirmed it. And neither were they played (spanked!!) into channels as you stated. Magnussons passing ability at centre back is an asset. Note not RB. You have not answered the question regarding defensive error leading to goals? I didn’t say anything about spanking balls into channels? They quite clearly are all very short passes, the longer ones are mainly across the box to flint. When has he ever played RB? We both know there have been numerous occasions, no need to be pedantic just because you don’t like my opinion. He is improving but at the moment is still not in the top 3 CB at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Bs4Red said: I didn’t say anything about spanking balls into channels? They quite clearly are all very short passes, the longer ones are mainly across the box to flint. When has he ever played RB? We both know there have been numerous occasions, no need to be pedantic just because you don’t like my opinion. He is improving but at the moment is still not in the top 3 CB at the club I confused your post with BS4reds on tour. Apologies. And I meant FB. Might have to get more pedantic on my own posts. Magnússon does not make five/ten yard p[asses all game. His average passing length is beyond (well) that. I did not need a stats serviced to tell me that. Simple yes, longer than a Flint, Baker ... Bailey Wright is playing it shortest by some %. Those points I did look up. We both know ... No we do not. I looked it up out of interest to confirm something I thought. This can be our own confirmation bias, people in this thread are displaying it. Magnússon has a very similar propensity to make error leading to goals as Flint. A low one. Played in the centre Magnussons passing and play alters. You as somebody who has played a bit of football will know the passing patterns are different, and performance capacity linked to technical ability thus changes. Magnússon passing accuracy changes significantly when moved to centre back as does his play. Bange average to really quite good(and better) at one element - Passing. In a supposedly possession based team passing has to a valued asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 15 hours ago, JonDolman said: I'd definitely have Bailey over Mags if he's fit. Though i expect both play if Baker is still out as pisano might be rested. Horses for courses. IMO if a player is to play on the left side of defence, they really need to be left footed. I've been underwhelmed whenever I've watched BW play there because his left footed distribution just isn't good enough. At the start of the season, when he partnered Baker on the RH side he looked a completely different and better player. If Bakes isn't fit then Mags should keep his place. Blowing my own argument out of the water, what a new dimension Joe offered us on Saturday when he switched to RB. Defenders aren't used to a FB cutting inside. It may prove to be an interesting tactical switch to make from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 16 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Frankie literally rolls it to baker and flint exactly the same and has done all season. Magnússon played 5/10 yard passes all game to flint or Bryan and sometimes pack when he dropped in. Anybody who’s played a bit of football can do that. He is still the weak link in our team and performing to a standard the same as everyone else on Saturday doesn’t mean he has become a good player for us yet. Have to agree to disagree on him. If baker is fit Magnússon doesn’t play simple Frankie had stopped rolling it out till saturday when he mixed it up far more and was using Mags the most. Wants to start mixing it up his including his goal kicks. Magnússon and Fielding wasted less satuday surely that's better than what went on at Cardiff??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red7 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 15 hours ago, Robbored said: He's an integral part of the team and was sorely missed as we saw on Saturday. I think he will be an integral part of the team if he can stay fit. But he isn't at the moment - he's only played a handful of games for us up to now. And we have done pretty well without him, particularly pre-Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Cowshed said: I confused your post with BS4reds on tour. Apologies. And I meant FB. Might have to get more pedantic on my own posts. Magnússon does not make five/ten yard p[asses all game. His average passing length is beyond (well) that. I did not need a stats serviced to tell me that. Simple yes, longer than a Flint, Baker ... Bailey Wright is playing it shortest by some %. Those points I did look up. We both know ... No we do not. I looked it up out of interest to confirm something I thought. This can be our own confirmation bias, people in this thread are displaying it. Magnússon has a very similar propensity to make error leading to goals as Flint. A low one. Played in the centre Magnussons passing and play alters. You as somebody who has played a bit of football will know the passing patterns are different, and performance capacity linked to technical ability thus changes. Magnússon passing accuracy changes significantly when moved to centre back as does his play. Bange average to really quite good(and better) at one element - Passing. In a supposedly possession based team passing has to a valued asset. I understand your point from a passing sense, his average pass length on Saturday was between 12 and 15 yards, I’d suggest from playing experience that’s a relatively simple short pass. He also played the ball back to Frankie on 11 occasions. I understand your points, his errors have come at LB and perhaps haven’t led to goals directly but could have been stopped from him imo. All perceptions at the end of the day. Think i prefer my CB in a flint and baker mould Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Not strong enough to be a commanding centre half in the Championship.Hopefully he will not be in the defence against PNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Bs4Red said: I understand your point from a passing sense, his average pass length on Saturday was between 12 and 15 yards, I’d suggest from playing experience that’s a relatively simple short pass. He also played the ball back to Frankie on 11 occasions. I understand your points, his errors have come at LB and perhaps haven’t led to goals directly but could have been stopped from him imo. All perceptions at the end of the day. Think i prefer my CB in a flint and baker mould In each of your posts Magnússon’s passes are increasing in length … You now confirm he does not play it five/ten yards all game. I mentioned confirmation bias in a post. A thing about perceptions is they are not evidenced based and factual. In the first post in this thread it mentions John Stones and always having a mistake in him. All players make mistakes, It does not bear scrutiny, John Stones is less likely to make a mistake due to his passing ability. On a more humbler level; the same is true about Magnússon, performance stats are of a similar level to other players in similar positions. 1v1 similar (Flint is top) but above Bailey Wright, blocks /interceptions similar to the full backs, mistakes low … There is nothing bar peoples bias to back up this perception of Magnússon being error prone or two weak unless it is being 7% weaker in challenges than Flint which makes Baker weak, and Bailey Wright a comparative fairy because he loses out more than Magnússon. My opinion is that some fans still have outmoded views that defenders should be hard, kick it long and not fanny about with it back there … And that is where football has moved on. Possession is defending and attacking. Each wayward pass, each whatever it is Frankie is doing (at times) is error, Bristol City at Cardiff being barely able to pass to each other that is truly having mistakes within you. Looking at Bristol City pragmatically. If the project, the identity is to be a modern passing team it needs footballers in as many positions as possible. Starting at the back. A team playing in this manner must have a ball player at CB, and that is where Magnússon skill set could easily be an asset. Flint is phenom who is an automatic selection. Magnússon Saturday went sideways, backwards, forwards as necessary. He switches the ball well, misses one out and can penetrate with passes. He retains, releases, repeats … Allowing players up the pitch more opportunity to do what they do well. That is modern football. He Saturday did it very very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 38 minutes ago, Cowshed said: In each of your posts Magnússon’s passes are increasing in length … You now confirm he does not play it five/ten yards all game. I mentioned confirmation bias in a post. A thing about perceptions is they are not evidenced based and factual. In the first post in this thread it mentions John Stones and always having a mistake in him. All players make mistakes, It does not bear scrutiny, John Stones is less likely to make a mistake due to his passing ability. On a more humbler level; the same is true about Magnússon, performance stats are of a similar level to other players in similar positions. 1v1 similar (Flint is top) but above Bailey Wright, blocks /interceptions similar to the full backs, mistakes low … There is nothing bar peoples bias to back up this perception of Magnússon being error prone or two weak unless it is being 7% weaker in challenges than Flint which makes Baker weak, and Bailey Wright a comparative fairy because he loses out more than Magnússon. My opinion is that some fans still have outmoded views that defenders should be hard, kick it long and not fanny about with it back there … And that is where football has moved on. Possession is defending and attacking. Each wayward pass, each whatever it is Frankie is doing (at times) is error, Bristol City at Cardiff being barely able to pass to each other that is truly having mistakes within you. Looking at Bristol City pragmatically. If the project, the identity is to be a modern passing team it needs footballers in as many positions as possible. Starting at the back. A team playing in this manner must have a ball player at CB, and that is where Magnússon skill set could easily be an asset. Flint is phenom who is an automatic selection. Magnússon Saturday went sideways, backwards, forwards as necessary. He switches the ball well, misses one out and can penetrate with passes. He retains, releases, repeats … Allowing players up the pitch more opportunity to do what they do well. That is modern football. He Saturday did it very very well. Agreed they have got further but I think it depends how far you think a short pass is really probably should have said that originally but I think 20 yards and below is a short pass. I have a massive passion for football and quality football mate, I literally spend my days coaching and like to think I’m pretty good at it. I just don’t think Hörður is in the same level as Stones defensively etc to let his passing make up for his shortcomings. Without looking at the stats id say flint passing can’t be far off Magnússon which is a huge improvement of flints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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