tinman85 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, Red Army 75 said: No you constantly chat ******* rubbish I think you do so let's agree to disagree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, tinman85 said: No I am in reality! Not burying my head in the sand. Lee Johnson is not good enough. Were you saying that in December? It's another poor run of form but it doesn't make him not good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Red Exile said: I'd hope that that CEO would have a short list of potential successors to whoever was the current manager. Dean Smith has certainly come on since his Walsall days. Played a blinder today whilst our chap was taken the the cleaners. Thanks. Back on topic. Would be a good appointment for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, tinman85 said: I think you do so let's agree to disagree!! Fair comment. No problem. But u are clueless my friend. Not just about today. Or LJ . Bristol City in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted April 2, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, JBFC II said: Were you saying that in December? It's another poor run of form but it doesn't make him not good enough How many seasons can he have poor runs of form, before he does become not good enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, Red Army 75 said: Fair comment. No problem. But u are clueless my friend. Not just about today. Or LJ . Bristol City in general You know nothing about me mate. It's a game of football. No need to get personal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingsuperstar Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 31 minutes ago, ReggyRed said: Probably one of those ***** that cheered when wright went off Don't know about you but l did, his performance at Barnsley should have put him on the bench... Captain Useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, tinman85 said: You know nothing about me mate. It's a game of football. No need to get personal Agreed . But you are clueless about football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, Red Army 75 said: Agreed . But you are clueless about football If you are happy with Lee Johnson and this dire football then I think you my friend are clueless!! Get your Lee Johnson poster out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Oh, @tinman85 is talking shoestring budgets again... So looking at wage bills... Bristol City Holdings Ltd - 15/16... £17.432m (353 employees) which is broken up into... Bristol City Football Club Ltd - 15/16... £15.437m (138 employees) Ashton Gate Ltd - 15/16... £2.126m (215 employees) Note: there's a minor discrepancy here of c. £100k but that's not really relevant in the bigger picture Brentford FC Ltd - 15/16... £17.603m (192 employees) Or operating expenses... Bristol City Holdings Ltd - 15/16... £28.610m Brentford FC Ltd - 15/16... £29.731m Brentford FC Ltd has yet to file its accounts for 16/17 so I'm using 15/16 figures here for both sets of figures. So, @tinman85, can you clarify where the shoestring budget is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Agreed . But you are clueless about football Somebody who is defending the woeful football we have played since January, when this thread is about Dean Smith who clearly knows how to put together and execute quality football on a shoestring budget. Have a look at Johnson's signings and see if you can fit the good ones on your hands. You won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Somebody who is defending the woeful football we have played since January, when this thread is about Dean Smith who clearly knows how to put together and execute quality football on a shoestring budget. Have a look at Johnson's signings and see if you can fit the good ones on your hands. You won't. Can you give your facts on the "shoestring budget"? (See also my post directly above yours). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted April 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: Can you give your facts on the "shoestring budget"? (See also my post directly above yours). Give me the stats on money spent (you must have more time than me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggersno1Fan Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Speak to Neil Warnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, tinman85 said: A club that is happy treading water under this board and management. Sad. League One 12th League One Champions Championship 18th Championship 17th Championship 7th ...oh and a new stadium. ”Treading water”, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 39 minutes ago, tinman85 said: No I am in reality! Not burying my head in the sand. Lee Johnson is not good enough. I would agree that Lee will never take us to the Premier league.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Give me the stats on money spent (you must have more time than me) So just to be clear, you asserted a "shoestring budget" based on zero research and zero facts? Consider me shocked... "Money spent" is what comes under the heading of operating expenses and I've already outlined those. Brentford outspent BCFC on the last period available where records can be compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, tinman85 said: A club that is happy treading water under this board and management. Sad. Except for the fact that we're not treading water. Gone from relegation favourites to play off contenders. None of which excuses that utter horror show today of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsy62 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 47 minutes ago, JBFC II said: You could also say 3 defeats in 12 before today, stats are too subjective. Today was pathetic, really was but the progress over the past 12 months is incredible The worry is how are we going to start next season because we are fading badly at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Prosecution barrister: "...and that concludes the case for the prosecution." Defence barrister @tinman85: "Mr. Prosecution, you've got more time than me. You can provide the defence too. I ain't got time for facts or research or anything like that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni71 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, tinman85 said: A manager who clearly has a clue. Shoe string budget and that's how you play football. We are on the slippery slope again and he can't change it Brentford are below us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, woodsy62 said: The worry is how are we going to start next season because we are fading badly at the moment Especially with the likes of Bryan, Reid, Smith, Flint all probably going to leave, it'll be a massive upheaval and I can see us going the way of reading to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, windmillhillred said: Except for the fact that we're not treading water. Gone from relegation favourites to play off contenders. None of which excuses that utter horror show today of course. There have been other horrors shows over the last three of four months and generally we have been really poor over that period. The worry is that Lee seems to have run out of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 59 minutes ago, JBFC II said: Bit of an overreaction, we were dreadful for one game but we are still 7th and on a small budget, the turnaround has been amazing One ? Since January how many games have we been good in ? It is staggering to see the decline in performance of our team . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Top Robin said: There have been other horrors shows over the last three of four months and generally we have been really poor over that period. The worry is that Lee seems to have run out of ideas. Not been away this season but today was one of the worst home performances I have ever seen. Lack of any apparent gameplan, which LJ needs to take responsibility for but the number of individual errors, lack of urgency and general cluelessness lies at the doora of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 At the start of this season most pundits had us nailed on to be relagated. By December many of those pundits were raving about our style of play. Despite our poor run of form we are still in with an outside chance of a place in the play offs, something that wasn't in even the happiest clappers mind. But still people want Johnson replaced. Now I'm not saying any of our fans have an agenda against LJ but I struggle to make any real sense out of sacking him. The other thing that worries me is the OP wants a manager whose current club is 4 pts and 4 places behind us. We are a work in progress, and although we should have been able to sustain a play off place perhaps the pressure has taken its toll or the injuries have played a part in some results which have dented the confidence in such a young group. Whatever the reasons I'll be happy finishing in the top half if the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: So just to be clear, you asserted a "shoestring budget" based on zero research and zero facts? Consider me shocked... "Money spent" is what comes under the heading of operating expenses and I've already outlined those. Brentford outspent BCFC on the last period available where records can be compared. Money spent also doesn’t tell the full story. It also depends on the starting point. LJ inherited a threadbare squad full of loans after the disastrous summer of 2015. Therefore we needed a great deal of investment just to make us competitive in the division. Just because we’ve spent more than certain clubs over the last two years doesn’t mean our squad is necessarily superior if they started from a higher base. Such nuance and detail is wasted on certain posters however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, numbeast said: At the start of this season most pundits had us nailed on to be relagated. By December many of those pundits were raving about our style of play. Despite our poor run of form we are still in with an outside chance of a place in the play offs, something that wasn't in even the happiest clappers mind. But still people want Johnson replaced. Now I'm not saying any of our fans have an agenda against LJ but I struggle to make any real sense out of sacking him. The other thing that worries me is the OP wants a manager whose current club is 4 pts and 4 places behind us. We are a work in progress, and although we should have been able to sustain a play off place perhaps the pressure has taken its toll or the injuries have played a part in some results which have dented the confidence in such a young group. Whatever the reasons I'll be happy finishing in the top half if the table. At Christmas most had us to be promoted. We've progressed in terms of league position, but in the last 3 months we've regressed as a team. Who's to blame?? Manager, board, players?? Fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numbeast Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, glynriley said: At Christmas most had us to be promoted. We've progressed in terms of league position, but in the last 3 months we've regressed as a team. Who's to blame?? Manager, board, players?? Fans? There's a case to be made for all 4. 1) The manager, LJ needs a strategy to grind out results when we're not playing well, we just seem to do the same thing hoping we get a break. No matter how entertaining we are when we're on song some times we need to get down and dirty. I also think he can be too loyal to certain players, at this point in the season a bad game should mean changes. 2) The board, most of us knew we needed strengthening in certain positions, namely right back and central midfield. The board members and Steve Lansdown watch the same games as the fans and should have highlighted this to the head coach. Given the resources to strengthen those positions the maybe SL could have achieved his goal of self financing with the mega millions in the PL. 3) The players, are these the same players who beat 4 PL sides including Man U and 2 very respectable performances against the best side in the country over 2 legs. Suddenly the couldn't break down a side like Burton (with all due respect to them) You don't go from collossus's to mediocrity over night. 4) The fans, without doubt shoulder the least amount of blame. But that doesn't mean they are free of any blame. Our results buoyed our belief we were genuine contenders. The problem was when we hit a sticky patch we lost perspective, bemoaning draws that we'd otherwise be happy with or, to a certain degree, believed our own publicity. But as I've said the fans contribution is minimal. This season has been better than I expected in August, but hasn't lived up to those early months promised. It comes down to are you a glass half full, a glass half empty or sod the glass I'll have a can of Thatchers type of person (I think I'm the last one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, JBFC II said: You could also say 3 defeats in 12 before today, stats are too subjective. Today was pathetic, really was but the progress over the past 12 months is incredible ‘ Incredible ‘ ?????? Really ? Not suggesting we should change and it simply won’t happen but in a different scenario that performance today would get a football manager sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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