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I’m at The Den now and it’s all too easy.

Only Korey & Bobby trying.

They know it’s an easy gig as LJ will never be sacked due to his relationship with the Board.

i used to think that was a good thing as it bought stability but I now realise it’s a very cosy comfort zone here at the Club we all love - the culture has to change...

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it wont until those at the top are changed and I doubt if I`ll live that long.

We go where they take us, they have the seats mostly filled for next season, job done until April next year. round and round we go.

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I support LJ and WANT him to start as our manager next year BUT if we have another season where we inexplicably slip down the table and can’t seem to buy a win I will be calling for his head.

Not going anywhere when we cannot maintain form and he cannot seem to stop the rot.

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1 minute ago, Neo said:

I support LJ and WANT him to start as our manager next year BUT if we have another season where we inexplicably slip down the table and can’t seem to buy a win I will be calling for his head.

Not going anywhere when we cannot maintain form and he cannot seem to stop the rot.

If we carry on with this form next August, we'll be down by Christmas! 

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The positive in all this is the free ride for both Johnson and Ashton is gone now. All the goodwill generated up to Xmas from fans who were previously unsure or positive Johnson was the wrong man has now evaporated as he seems to be proving people who wanted to be wrong that they were actually right all along!!

So the next transfer window is the most important one we have had for years. Get this one wrong and suffer a bad start next season and the bullshit won’t wash any more. This notion that you can pick and choose when to mount a promotion challenge is just that, total bullshit. Interesting times ahead.

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13 minutes ago, RT's Vaseline Tub said:

I’m at The Den now and it’s all too easy.

Only Korey & Bobby trying.

They know it’s an easy gig as LJ will never be sacked due to his relationship with the Board.

i used to think that was a good thing as it bought stability but I now realise it’s a very cosy comfort zone here at the Club we all love - the culture has to change...

Why does this “he’ll never be sacked” thing persist. Such a myth. It is on record that he was very close to being sacked last season. If we had declined further this season he would almost certainly have gone.

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8 minutes ago, RT's Vaseline Tub said:

I used to think that was a good thing as it bought stability but I now realise it’s a very cosy comfort zone here at the Club we all love - the culture has to change...

Indeed the culture does need to change and that's why SL appointed LJ with licence to create his own backroom staff and appointed MA to oversee the club, 

Its not about one result or even one season. It's about creating stability over the long term.

Looks like City are going to lose today and slip further away from the pray offs but that won't be the end of the world. It's still been a good season.

City will be back next season and in a much stronger position for the experience of another season becoming established in the Championship.

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Expect I'll get torn to shreds here but what has LJ actually done today? He's chucked two strikers on and gone hit and hope.

Is that management? Couldn't any of us have done that? It's aimless. Sort it out Johnson for ***** sake, there HAS to be a plan B that isn't just go long. ******* pathetic.

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27 minutes ago, Neo said:

I support LJ and WANT him to start as our manager next year BUT if we have another season where we inexplicably slip down the table and can’t seem to buy a win I will be calling for his head.

Not going anywhere when we cannot maintain form and he cannot seem to stop the rot.

Thing is if you want to see City in the premier league Johnson will never get us there.not next year or any other.

Will be interesting to see how many years it will take for SL to 'smell the coffee!

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19 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

Expect I'll get torn to shreds here but what has LJ actually done today? He's chucked two strikers on and gone hit and hope.

Is that management? Couldn't any of us have done that? It's aimless. Sort it out Johnson for ***** sake, there HAS to be a plan B that isn't just go long. ******* pathetic.

Hit and hope? Well that's not lj philosophy is it??? Wait he tells us this and then signs diedhiou and djuric 

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1 minute ago, Londoner said:

Hit and hope? Well that's not lj philosophy is it??? Wait he tells us this and then signs diedhiou and djuric 

It is becoming clearer by the minute that there is no plan any more. We've been found out and LJ has no idea what to do to get winning again.

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26 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Indeed the culture does need to change and that's why SL appointed LJ with licence to create his own backroom staff and appointed MA to oversee the club, 

Its not about one result or even one season. It's about creating stability over the long term.

Looks like City are going to lose today and slip further away from the pray offs but that won't be the end of the world. It's still been a good season.

City will be back next season and in a much stronger position for the experience of another season becoming established in the Championship.

A good season??.make that a half...don't be so certain we will be the stronger for ******* up a great chance.... Why would you think for a moment we will have an even better opportunity next year than the one currently being pissed away.??..

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41 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

The positive in all this is the free ride for both Johnson and Ashton is gone now. All the goodwill generated up to Xmas from fans who were previously unsure or positive Johnson was the wrong man has now evaporated as he seems to be proving people who wanted to be wrong that they were actually right all along!!

So the next transfer window is the most important one we have had for years. Get this one wrong and suffer a bad start next season and the bullshit won’t wash any more. This notion that you can pick and choose when to mount a promotion challenge is just that, total bullshit. Interesting times ahead.

Don't believe it . They are both untouchable.

 

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52 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said:

3 wins in 19 games. Why do we have spells of blowing hot and cold in a season. Quite worrying.

14 points from 48 now isn't it this year.... crazy stat!

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1 hour ago, RT's Vaseline Tub said:

I’m at The Den now and it’s all too easy.

Only Korey & Bobby trying.

They know it’s an easy gig as LJ will never be sacked due to his relationship with the Board.

i used to think that was a good thing as it bought stability but I now realise it’s a very cosy comfort zone here at the Club we all love - the culture has to change...

For most of my 54 years following City the club has been a cosy place. This is nothing new. It may change for short periods but the culture always returns.

I don't get into the rage some fans do precisely because I know this to be the case.

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16 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

A good season??.make that a half...don't be so certain we will be the stronger for ******* up a great chance.... Why would you think for a moment we will have an even better opportunity next year than the one currently being pissed away.??..

It's been a good season for two reasons. 1) the very impressive EFL cup run, beating PL clubs along the way before losing by a late goal in both legs against the eventual winners. The cup run hugely raised our profile across the nation.

2) Compared to where the club was just a year ago the club has experienced a significant improvement in the Championship table flirting in and around the top six for much of the campaign., despite a crippling and lengthy injury list, most of which were long term injuries.. How many goals would Famara have scored if he'd been fit all season?    :dunno:

Even now after today's loss City are 8th. Most of us would have more than settled for that a year ago. It's another season of gradual improvement and yet you still see plenty of critical comments about LJ, that he doesn't know what he's doing, that his  transfers are shite, that his tactical nouse is lacking, blah de blah..............:facepalm:

Sure, it's disappointing that City have gradually faded but maybe the exertions  of the EFL cup  run has finally caught up - who knows? 

Get over the fact that City have slipped over recent games and look at the whole season rather than just half of it.

 

 

 

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It's all too cosy & comfortable! 

No need to do better because in the long term, failing this season is acceptable. That is the upshot of what Mark Ashton said.

And the players know this too. The best ones could well be elsewhere by August, and the rest know that LJ is safe, so if they don't like what's going on, they are in no position to change it, other than not bother. And they will still get paid. It's only us fans who get stiffed!

We are trying to emulate the "Southampton Way" but it's no guarantee of success. And it needs the right man in charge, which is in more doubt now than it has been for nearly 12 months. We need success first today then you can build and develop for tomorrow. Constantly building for the future is a mirage designed to distract from current failings & failure. 

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

The positive in all this is the free ride for both Johnson and Ashton is gone now. All the goodwill generated up to Xmas from fans who were previously unsure or positive Johnson was the wrong man has now evaporated as he seems to be proving people who wanted to be wrong that they were actually right all along!!

So the next transfer window is the most important one we have had for years. Get this one wrong and suffer a bad start next season and the bullshit won’t wash any more. This notion that you can pick and choose when to mount a promotion challenge is just that, total bullshit. Interesting times ahead.

Is this the third window??

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21 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said:

Means nothing, thats in the past, it's the now that counts.

The form is a concern, although it's possible to make a case to explain why it's happened. Regardless, as I've said in another thread, I hope he can learn from this run as he did from last year. I certainly think he's earned the right to be given the chance.

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18 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

The form is a concern, although it's possible to make a case to explain why it's happened. Regardless, as I've said in another thread, I hope he can learn from this run as he did from last year. I certainly think he's earned the right to be given the chance.

Which is Stevey ?

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

City will be back next season and in a much stronger position for the experience of another season becoming established in the Championship.

That is the worry for me.  What do you define as stronger position?  What if this squad peaked in December, and are now on the decline?  That’s my worry, especially if we lose a few....because our recruitment is mixed (i’m Being generous).  A World Cup summer is not a good summer to recruit, because the ‘chain reaction’ starts late, and becomes panicked....not withstanding the new deadline.

Our recruitment needs to be spot on, and any outgoings need to be timed to allow us time to bring in replacements (should we need to).

(Having said this, who thinks that City might win on Tuesday and Boro and Millwall drop points, and then we’ll be put through the ringer again against Boro at The Riverside).

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57 minutes ago, Vil1 said:

Robberd u talk out your ass .how many more goals would of famara scored if not injured well how many more would of he scored if he was any good.reid up top one worked for us then ******** le changed it.explain to me the crap hes got in.diony .woodrow.engvall.elliason.walsh.kent......why cos he aint played them or give them a chance .diony must be the worst signing in our history.aint seen much of him but wat we have he looks crap.and lj must think the same cos he aint got a look in.my player of the season fielding hes saved our ass so many times.lj tinkering that much to try get a result its a joke.keep a settled side .reid since famara has come back is not a threat.get rid this frecnch foriegn crap and pay proper money for propee players

You've said he's got no plan b. But also that he tinkers too much. I'm confused.

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Perhaps now the Rugby seasons been decided and Bristol got their promotion SL might just realise what his clueless one trick pony has thrown away. 2nd at the end of the year, which we deserved even if it was surprising. 

Out of his depth now and swimming against the tide, please don’t throw him another life-line

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27 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That is the worry for me.  What do you define as stronger position?  What if this squad peaked in December, and are now on the decline?  That’s my worry, especially if we lose a few....because our recruitment is mixed (i’m Being generous).  A World Cup summer is not a good summer to recruit, because the ‘chain reaction’ starts late, and becomes panicked....not withstanding the new deadline.

Our recruitment needs to be spot on, and any outgoings need to be timed to allow us time to bring in replacements (should we need to).

(Having said this, who thinks that City might win on Tuesday and Boro and Millwall drop points, and then we’ll be put through the ringer again against Boro at The Riverside).

Dave at the moment I would be worried about us facing the Gas (yes we are that bad) let alone a Birmingham team desperate for points and likely to be positive after coming back against fellow strugglers Burton. They will be targeting Tuesday as a win given our sorry state right now, and I wouldn't bet against them repeating last season's end of season performance & doing the double over us.

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1 minute ago, Dr Balls said:

Dave at the moment I would be worried about us facing the Gas (yes we are that bad) let alone a Birmingham team desperate for points and likely to be positive after coming back against fellow strugglers Burton. They will be targeting Tuesday as a win given our sorry state right now, and I wouldn't bet against them repeating last season's end of season performance & doing the double over us.

You’re right....I was trying to cheer myself up :P

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2 hours ago, ZiderEyed said:

Expect I'll get torn to shreds here but what has LJ actually done today? He's chucked two strikers on and gone hit and hope.

Is that management? Couldn't any of us have done that? It's aimless. Sort it out Johnson for ***** sake, there HAS to be a plan B that isn't just go long. ******* pathetic.

I don't think he even has a Plan A, yet alone the ability to formulate Plan B.

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3 hours ago, RT's Vaseline Tub said:

I’m at The Den now and it’s all too easy.

Only Korey & Bobby trying.

They know it’s an easy gig as LJ will never be sacked due to his relationship with the Board.

i used to think that was a good thing as it bought stability but I now realise it’s a very cosy comfort zone here at the Club we all love - the culture has to change...

Bristol City. Easy club to manage. Easy club to own. Easy club to play for. Tough club as fan. 

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19 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That is the worry for me.  What do you define as stronger position?  What if this squad peaked in December, and are now on the decline?  That’s my worry, especially if we lose a few....because our recruitment is mixed (i’m Being generous).  A World Cup summer is not a good summer to recruit, because the ‘chain reaction’ starts late, and becomes panicked....not withstanding the new deadline.

Our recruitment needs to be spot on, and any outgoings need to be timed to allow us time to bring in replacements (should we need to).

(Having said this, who thinks that City might win on Tuesday and Boro and Millwall drop points, and then we’ll be put through the ringer again against Boro at The Riverside).

 I have great faith in both LJ and MA to manage the summer  transfer window very efficiently. They've both said, independently of each other that the club plans for two or even three windows ahead.

Should the likes of Flint, Bryan, Reid or any first team regulars move on then Im confident that MA will negotiate the best possible financial deal for the club. The selling club hold all the cards. 

Should it happen then the incoming revenue can be reinvested back into the squad and no doubt that LJ will have a decent war chest to fill his shopping list.

Lets not forget that players come and go every season. This time last year fans were flapping because Tammy was going but this season has showed just how pointless flapping about players moving on is. City didn't miss him at all nor did we miss Kodjia  the season before last.

And you're right - although it's tougher after today's loss City are still not mathematically out of the pray offs yet.

That said, it's very like City will be the Championship again next season but with a stronger and more experienced squad and of course a more experienced head coach.

Theres also the possibility that some of the loan players, Vyner for example could have progressed enough to be pushing for a first team place. 

Im genuinely not apprehensive about next season at all.

 

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

 I have great faith in both LJ and MA to manage the summer  transfer window very efficiently. They've both said, independently of each other that the club plans for two or even three windows ahead.

Should the likes of Flint, Bryan, Reid or any first team regulars move on then Im confident that MA will negotiate the best possible financial deal for the club. The selling club hold all the cards. 

Should it happen then the incoming revenue can be reinvested back into the squad and no doubt that LJ will have a decent war chest to fill his shopping list.

Lets not forget that players come and go every season. This time last year fans were flapping because Tammy was going but this season has showed just how pointless flapping about players moving on is. City didn't miss him at all nor did we miss Kodjia  the season before last.

And you're right - although it's tougher after today's loss City are still not mathematically out of the pray offs yet.

That said, it's very like City will be the Championship again next season but with a stronger and more experienced squad and of course a more experienced head coach.

Theres also the possibility that some of the loan players, Vyner for example could have progressed enough to be pushing for a first team place. 

Im genuinely not apprehensive about next season at all.

 

I admire your optimism however misplaced

Don't be too disappointed when reality strikes next season

I remain deeply pessimistic because I have seen it all before and before and before and .........

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56 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Which is Stevey ?

Style of play (pressing / high energy), cup run and injuries (as much having to play key players more than they should, as missing other players). All = running out of steam at this end of the season.

The uncertainty is how much of an issue this has been, given LJ's career seems to have had more win / lose streaks than Stuart Broad's bowling career.........But as I've said he deserves the chance to turn it round given the overall improvement we've made.

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3 minutes ago, steveybadger said:

Style of play (pressing / high energy), cup run and injuries (as much having to play key players more than they should, as missing other players). All = running out of steam at this end of the season.

The uncertainty is how much of an issue this has been, given LJ's career seems to have had more win / lose streaks than Stuart Broad's bowling career.........But as I've said he deserves the chance to turn it round given the overall improvement we've made.

Thanks for replying

Can you answer wh6 he has selected sides that can’t press / high energy and changed the whole method of play ?

(Not a dig - or being sarcastic - Because I don’t )

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10 minutes ago, Robbored said:

 I have great faith in both LJ and MA to manage the summer  transfer window very efficiently. They've both said, independently of each other that the club plans for two or even three windows ahead.

Should the likes of Flint, Bryan, Reid or any first team regulars move on then Im confident that MA will negotiate the best possible financial deal for the club. The selling club hold all the cards. 

Should it happen then the incoming revenue can be reinvested back into the squad and no doubt that LJ will have a decent war chest to fill his shopping list.

Lets not forget that players come and go every season. This time last year fans were flapping because Tammy was going but this season has showed just how pointless flapping about players moving on is. City didn't miss him at all nor did we miss Kodjia  the season before last.

And you're right - although it's tougher after today's loss City are still not mathematically out of the pray offs yet.

That said, it's very like City will be the Championship again next season but with a stronger and more experienced squad and of course a more experienced head coach.

Theres also the possibility that some of the loan players, Vyner for example could have progressed enough to be pushing for a first team place. 

Im genuinely not apprehensive about next season at all.

 

I hope you’re right.  

Re the bit in bold, looking at our finances, circa £3.5m loss that would’ve been £12m loss without Kodjia, Bolassie, Adomah, etc being sold / add-ons....my gut feel is that although SL said we didnt need to sell in January, I think we need to generate transfer money this summer to provide the baseline for the summer window.  I think it might’ve been a January sell, had we not generated £3-5m from the cup run.  We haven;t made any transfer profit this season, only Tomlin going out the door.

I think self-sustaining is right, but with increased salaries for the likes of Flint, and any new contracts (Bobby), that places demands on us selling a biggie every summer.  Only some of that will be re-invested imho.  It’s a bit stark I admit, and I might be wrong.

That is why I think next season is gonna be tougher.

Still 15 points to play for though.  

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5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Thanks for replying

Can you answer wh6 he has selected sides that can’t press / high energy and changed the whole method of play ?

(Not a dig - or being sarcastic - Because I don’t )

No worries. I'm not sure to be perfectly honest. The chopping and changing is concerning as that's what happened last year, and had similar results. That said I guess it's a bit of a lose lose thing - stick with an underperforming team and get slagged off for not changing it, or change it and see the above. All I do know is that he turned it round once so i don't think changing him is the answer, or at least it seems too drastic.

Or to put it another way, it's not 'in LJ we trust' but more 'in LJ we hope'.

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29 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

I remain deeply pessimistic because I have seen it all before and before and before and .........

I appreciate you've been attending AG far longer than me but in the 50+ seasons I've been attending I've never felt the level of optimism that I currently have. I really feel that the club is going places now with the right professional people in place.

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Just now, Robbored said:

I appreciate you've been attending AG far longer than me but in the 50+ seasons I've been attending I've never felt the level of optimism that I currently have. I really feel that the club is going places now with the right professional people in place.

Hope you are right, that would be brilliant to see City back at the top level before my final substitution

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27 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I appreciate you've been attending AG far longer than me but in the 50+ seasons I've been attending I've never felt the level of optimism that I currently have. I really feel that the club is going places now with the right professional people in place.

Just because they keep telling you there the right people does not mean they are.Lansdown jnr has a degree in tourism,Mr arathon was a pub landlord in lockleaze and Mr Ashton had his contract terminated at watford (dream team)

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8 minutes ago, Mtimmy11 said:

Just because they keep telling you there the right people does not mean they are.Lansdown jnr has a degree in tourism,Mr arathon was a pub landlord in lockleaze and Mr Ashton had his contract terminated at watford (dream team)

So that makes them crap does it? 

My optimism isn't based on blah, blah spin, it's based on the evidence that I've witnessed with my own eyes. 

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Yes it does ,but then again it fits into the round pegs into square holes you like so much.I have not been down the gate for about 14months after seeing what a cosy club it is behind the scenes.Anybody who wants Johnson gone believe me will have a very long wait

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The amount of 50/50's and loose balls today that ended up being won by a Millwall player was staggering. You could just tell on the majority of them that had it been Ander Herrera or Paul Pogba on the other end of the tackle, it would've been won by a City player. But evidently fighting for a play off spot in a crunch match isn't enough to get our lot up for a game. Lack of willingness and effort from most today.

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