AdamB/Beanhead made redundant

[Fiale]

9 hours ago, billywedlock said:

This is Ashton and what he did at Watford. Not changed much. Drove out the people who made the club a club, gagging orders, controlling the media messages. Yada yada . 

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/3995357.oliver-phillips-reflects-on-the-departure-of-mark-ashton-from-watford/

 

 

The comment section is pretty worrying. Did the club do due diligence when signing him...

[CyderInACan]

50 minutes ago, spudski said:

If you want to know anymore about MA...I suggest you look into Calibre Sports group ltd, Grove Life ltd, Tactical Change and Ensco

Bit much for a Friday night. A pithy little précis would be nice please 

[EmersonsRed]

4 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Myself and @Tomarse used to play football 4-5 years ago with the media lot, Adam, @TimS, Joe Meredith, James Healey as well as Pete Smith. Looks like Pete is the last one left ... sad times really they used to win awards for their media work in the football league. 

Adam recently went out of his way to get my father in law a load of signed photos from the players, we asked for a couple and he came back with the whole squad and manager. He's a good egg and proper city fan.

Didn't we make Jimmer redundant too? I have never actually asked him, despite bumping into him a lot between when he left and now, I know he went to Yeovil. Another great bloke. This club is ******

[Robin1988]

1 minute ago, EmersonsRed said:

Didn't we make Jimmer redundant too? I have never actually asked him, despite bumping into him a lot between when he left and now, I know he went to Yeovil. Another great bloke. This club is ******

Yes, but that was more Kevin Smith's doing. And luckily he's gone too.

[BobBobSuperBob]

28 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Apologies if I am jumping the gun and not reading the thread in full but I'm busy...

...You talk about people blaming Lee Johnson for Baker's departure. Right.

I made a post which Robbored confused with 'LJ' when I made a theoretical reference to 'JL' having a role.

If that's a post to which you were referring... News for you! 'JL' stands for Jon Lansdown! Highly unlikely Johnson would have a direct role. Jon Lansdown though...

He Has a habit of jumping in with both feet and having a rant without reading properly 

 

[Bristol Rob]

8 pages of comment, and amazingly for OTIB not a single voice in opposition to the man,  his work or his personality.

I think that goes to show what a fine job Adam did for the club. It doesn't appear to be clouded by sentiment or that he was burdened with the SLO role, just that everyone who had dealings with him felt that he did a good job.

Rare in these times when people are quick to be critical. 

Very best of luck for the future Adam.

[downendcity]

52 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

'Kin ell, what are you going on about? She can wear hat she likes, and she wears it well.

 

A little old fashioned but that's all right.

[Red-Robbo]

So are people now suggesting that Adam B has been fired?   Or do some posters not know the difference between being made redundant and being fired?

I presume he has been made redundant - probably as it was thought with a media team for BS and one specifically for City, there was a unnecessary crossover and an economy could be made by rolling two jobs into one.

If he was made redundant he'd have had a meaningless "consultancy period" and be entitled to redundancy pay. He won't have been marched out the office at a moments notice, having only found out that it was his last day at 4:30 - as one of the alleged ITK's claims.  If he was fired, you wonder what for. If this was the case, the club would/should put out a short press release without necessarily going into details.

FWIW I think it's a mistake by the Club, and if anything it's Adam who perhaps should have been given a wider Bristol Sport role. 

However, i don't see a press office reshuffle as the presage of the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse as some of the more "excitable" posters on this thread seem to do.

I speak as a both an ex-press officer and someone who's been made redundant.  Shit happens.  Life ain't fair.

[Leaning To One Side]

4 hours ago, Septic Peg said:

In light of recent events, I'd like to reiterate my offer to Lisa Knights.

I'm calling you out. Let's box. You're an ex sportsperson so this is right up your street. I however get out of breath on the school run.

You have the height and reach advantage but I have the weight and age advantage. My husband was also an ex Judo champion so we can do MMA if you'd prefer. In fact, most of his family have been involved in Boxing/Judo/MMA so I can definitely train. I would imagine you're around the 12 stone mark so give me a few months and I'll aim for that.

 

All profits donated to CHSW and the BCCT. No purse required. We fight for pride only.

 

We can call it the Tim Shires and Adam Baker Testimonial Fight Night.

 

Slide into my DMs if you want it.

I think I've fallen for you Peg 

all in the name of charidee

[RedLionLad]

4 minutes ago, downendcity said:

A little old fashioned but that's all right.

Making a Rod for your own back there mate...

 

[CotswoldRed]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

So are people now suggesting that Adam B has been fired?   Or do some posters not know the difference between being made redundant and being fired?

I presume he has been made redundant - probably as it was thought with a media team for BS and one specifically for City, there was a unnecessary crossover and an economy could be made by rolling two jobs into one.

If he was made redundant he'd have had a meaningless "consultancy period" and be entitled to redundancy pay. He won't have been marched out the office at a moments notice, having only found out that it was his last day at 4:30 - as one of the alleged ITK's claims.  If he was fired, you wonder what for. If this was the case, the club would/should put out a short press release without necessarily going into details.

FWIW I think it's a mistake by the Club, and if anything it's Adam who perhaps should have been given a wider Bristol Sport role. 

However, i don't see a press office reshuffle as the presage of the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse as some of the more "excitable" posters on this thread seem to do.

I speak as a both an ex-press officer and someone who's been made redundant.  Shit happens.  Life ain't fair.

He's been there 20 years. He's liked by the 'customer base'. He's good at his job.

The customer base think your organisation is becoming more corporate and less like a club. You've already ruffled feathers by changing the name of the rugby club. Your football club is creaking with perceived incompetence (to many). 

So your course of action is what? 

[Olé]

2 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Fair Play to Gregor, he isn't afraid to comment

The Evening Post has a genuinely useful  journalist, City beat Man Utd, Bobby Reid is the best player in the wo.... and any minute now my alarm is going to go off. 

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, CotswoldRed said:

He's been there 20 years. He's liked by the 'customer base'. He's good at his job.

The customer base think your organisation is becoming more corporate and less like a club. You've already ruffled feathered by changing the name of the rugby club. Your football club is creaking with perceived incompetence (to many). 

So your course of action is what? 

As I said, I think - if it's a redundancy made on economic grounds - it's a mistake from the club. Simply because, as you say, the guy was good at his job.

My "course" as I thought I'd made explicit in my post is either to leave be, or expand Adam's role to include BS publicity and let the rather newer employee there go.

[Robin1988]

9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

So are people now suggesting that Adam B has been fired?   Or do some posters not know the difference between being made redundant and being fired?

I presume he has been made redundant - probably as it was thought with a media team for BS and one specifically for City, there was a unnecessary crossover and an economy could be made by rolling two jobs into one.

If he was made redundant he'd have had a meaningless "consultancy period" and be entitled to redundancy pay. He won't have been marched out the office at a moments notice, having only found out that it was his last day at 4:30 - as one of the alleged ITK's claims.  If he was fired, you wonder what for. If this was the case, the club would/should put out a short press release without necessarily going into details.

 FWIW I think it's a mistake by the Club, and if anything it's Adam who perhaps should have been given a wider Bristol Sport role. 

However, i don't see a press office reshuffle as the presage of the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse as some of the more "excitable" posters on this thread seem to do.

I speak as a both an ex-press officer and someone who's been made redundant.  Shit happens.  Life ain't fair.

That's what should happen but we both know it's not how it works. Adam has been made redundant, he did find out on his last day, and he is on leave. He was not fired. When someone decides your face doesn't fit, especially if they're the owners' son, or a slimy CEO, or an even more slimy "communications" lead, then your days are probably numbered.

The reshuffle is bringing in a brand manager to work above the current media team. If you're a former press officer, that should be enough to make you shudder.

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

That's what should happen but we both know it's not how it works. Adam has been made redundant, he did find out on his last day, and he is on leave. He was not fired. When someone decides your face doesn't fit, especially if they're the owners' son, or a slimy CEO, or an even more slimy "communications" lead, then your days are probably numbered.

There are statutory notice periods that have to be given in a redundancy. You can't just drop in on someone and say "Oh by the way, you're redundant."  Maybe you could in the 1930s, but not now.

 

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4254

[CotswoldRed]

2 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

That's what should happen but we both know it's not how it works. Adam has been made redundant, he did find out on his last day, and he is on leave. He was not fired. When someone decides your face doesn't fit, especially if they're the owners' son, or a slimy CEO, or an even more slimy "communications" lead, then your days are probably numbered.

You'd think SL would have had a say in it. He's known him personally all these years. He wouldn't be sent packing without SL's rubber stamp. 

[CotswoldRed]

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

There are statutory notice periods that have to be given in a redundancy. You can't just drop in on someone and say "Oh by the way, you're redundant."  Maybe you could in the 1930s, but not now.

Really? 

Many a time I've seen redundancies announced and desks cleared within the hour. 

[Robin1988]

3 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

You'd think SL would have had a say in it. He's known him personally all these years. He wouldn't be sent packing without SL's rubber stamp. 

Exactly. It makes you wonder how much SL is at arms' length and being dictated to by his men on the ground...

4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

There are statutory notice periods that have to be given in a redundancy. You can't just drop in on someone and say "Oh by the way, you're redundant."  Maybe you could in the 1930s, but not now.

  

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4254

I don't claim to know the ins and outs of the law, but that is exactly what happened.

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

Really? 

Many a time I've seen redundancies announced and desks cleared within the hour. 

Read the attached link. The only way an employer can do that is if someone is relatively new to the company.

[Ska Junkie]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

There are statutory notice periods that have to be given in a redundancy. You can't just drop in on someone and say "Oh by the way, you're redundant."  Maybe you could in the 1930s, but not now.

 

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4254

I was made redundant a few years ago, told to clear my desk and was escorted off site. Admittedly, it was a high security IT company and I was put on gardening leave for the period of my notice but it does happen where people are asked to leave immediately. I suppose, legally, I didn't leave the company until my notice period was up but never set foot in the place again. Maybe that's what they did with AB?

[MC RISK77]

6 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

He's been there 20 years. He's liked by the 'customer base'. He's good at his job.

The customer base think your organisation is becoming more corporate and less like a club. You've already ruffled feathered by changing the name of the rugby club. Your football club is creaking with perceived incompetence (to many). 

So your course of action is what? 

Ok I will play devils advocate...I manage a sales team for a global financial powerhouse....someone in my team has been with the business as a sales consultant for 30 years has outstanding relationships but is totally one dimensional not consultative and cannot do much more than take people for lunch and a drink...he gets business in but if he was consultative he could get more...his approach was exactly how it should have been 10/15/20years ago but is archaic now, dynamics of a business and industry move with the times...it’s no longer about relationships and being a good guy it is about making profit on every pound you put on the books....upshot is ultimately the shelf life is not long for him

[Lanterne Rouge]

4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

There are statutory notice periods that have to be given in a redundancy. You can't just drop in on someone and say "Oh by the way, you're redundant."  Maybe you could in the 1930s, but not now.

 

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4254

Nothing to say you have to stay and work it though. Mrs RRH was made redundant in October and left the next day with full pay up to the end of January as well as all her redundancy entitlements. It pretty much always happens like that as they don`t want a disgruntled employee damaging the company from within.

[CotswoldRed]

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

Read the attached link. The only way an employer can do that is if someone is relatively new to the company.

Interesting. 

Happens all the time in financial and software industries. Presumably because of the risk of employees going rogue and the massive risk to intellectual property etc. 

[RED4LIFE]

I've read most of the posts on this thread and while I won't comment on the LK/MA 'thing', I think it's fair to say the one thing pretty much everyone is in agreement with is that our media department have been consistently excellent all season. The Gif's alone have done as much to raise our global profile as much as beating Manchester Red has IMO. 

So a quick season recap then:

Performances on the pitch have been patchy. Sometimes outstanding, sometimes awful- LJ in charge = job is safe. 

Recruitment- patchy at best, laughable at worst- MA in charge = job is safe.

Media- Massively raised profile of club. Players like Head of Media and are more relaxed and open which gives better interviews amongst other things. AN in charge = Sacked. 

As Dolly said, something is rotten at the club at the moment. Unfortunately, with JL calling the shots it seems like situations like this will become the norm rather than the exception and that is something to be seriously concerned about.

[BCFC11]

Been made redundant or sacked doesn’t matter really, poor blokes lost his job, and was very good at it I must add, can tell that with the amount of disaproval in this thread. They’ll have someone lined up to replace him under a different job title as lots of companies seem to do nowadays, very wrong imo just another way of firing you.

Shithousery at its worst.

 

[Red-Robbo]

9 minutes ago, Robin1988 said:

 

I don't claim to know the ins and outs of the law, but that is exactly what happened.

In which case BCFC could be taken to an Employment Tribunal.

Five possibilities:

A_ He'd known the day was coming as he'd been notified but chose not to speak about it. The chain of command chose to rather abruptly curtail his last day however.

B: He's taking his accrued holiday in lieu of the statutory notice period.

C: They gave him notice of redundancy and he decided too walk out - possibly leaving a choice expletive ringing in their ears.

D: He's been fired for something we don't know about.

E: The sudden 4:30 bombshell scenario never happened.

[Red-Robbo]

5 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Nothing to say you have to stay and work it though. Mrs RRH was made redundant in October and left the next day with full pay up to the end of January as well as all her redundancy entitlements. It pretty much always happens like that as they don`t want a disgruntled employee damaging the company from within.

Indeed. Happened to me at the Beeb too. There though it was my decision to take the accrued time off and long-service leave rather than work for 3 months in a job I knew was going nowhere.

[redapple]

For what it’s worth in my opinion AB seemed a top bloke, appeared to be doing a very good job and  is obviously well respected. However people get made redundant every day. It’s rarely fair, but life isn’t. I think some reactions on here are well OTT. But for those who want to get carried away though I’m sure that Karma will have its say. 

In the meantime I’m not going to stop supporting my team because a nice guy got redundancy. 

[Fiale]

 

 

Just now, Red-Robbo said:

In which case BCFC could be taken to an Employment Tribunal.

Five possibilities:

A_ He'd known the day was coming as he'd been notified by chose not to speak about it. The chain of command chose to rather abruptly curtail his last day however.

B: He's taking his accrued holiday in lieu of the statutory notice period.

C: They gave him notice of redundancy and he decided too walk out - possibly leaving a choice expletive ringing in their ears.

D: He's been fired for something we don't know about.

E: The sudden 4:30 bombshell scenario never happened.

 

I have seen people come and go and it's not uncommon for someone to be called into a office, said he will be made redundant, can leave now with this package and glowing reference and sign a NDA - or get basically nothing but what they are legally obliged to and a blehhh reference. Most people are not in a position to really do anything about it, and just bite the bullet,.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

40 minutes ago, EmersonsRed said:

Didn't we make Jimmer redundant too? I have never actually asked him, despite bumping into him a lot between when he left and now, I know he went to Yeovil. Another great bloke. This club is ******

I'm out with him tonight... I'll ask him.