Super Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 TAA in according to Talksport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Coxy27 said: Fair enough. Southgate obviously hasn't wanted to take the risk, which you can understand given the importance of this tournament, for him and for England generally. For me personally, for the last couple of spots in the 23, we're probably debating over some fairly average names, the likes of Livermore, Clyne or Rose as you mention Monkeh that aren't really getting a look in for their clubs just now, or a few younger 'risks'. They may not all play the same position of course, but I feel like a wildcard choice like Sessegnon might have proven more valuable than picking these above. We know what they can do and what they're limited to, whereas Sessegnon is a bit of an unknown, probably not got the fear of failure that others might, could maybe have provided an edge, done something opponents aren't expecting. Who knows how it will work out, I can understand the decision, I just think if it was me, I would have taken a few more risks than we will do. Last time they tried that was with Walcott in 2006, and that was a complete waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Last time they tried that was with Walcott in 2006, and that was a complete waste of time. As with all risks, there is a chance it won't work out. One example doesn't prove anything. Slightly different situations too, though granted they are similar. Sessegnon has just had a full season of football and is in fine form. That wasn't true of Walcott at the time, who had not played for Arsenal at all since January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Completely sensible decision to not take Sessegnon. The lad has an amazing career ahead of him and his progression to the England set up will be natural - get him involved in friendlies then start blooding him in competitive football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Coxy27 said: Where have you seen that Super? I'm a little disappointed, if true. Picking him would have been complete madness. He's played a full season as a 17 year old. It's only the English who think that it's a good idea to ruin teenage footballers by pushing them too young. Let him have a rest, prove himself in the Premiership and maybe go to the Under 21 tournament next summer. Then pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 One name that has evaded everyone James ward-prowse. Played tournament football for all the youth levels and with livermore and wilshire out, could he be one who is chosen? We shall see Shame about sessegnon as I'd have taken him but time is on his side. Course, there could be injuries between now and the world cup anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, The Bard said: Picking him would have been complete madness. He's played a full season as a 17 year old. It's only the English who think that it's a good idea to ruin teenage footballers by pushing them too young. Let him have a rest, prove himself in the Premiership and maybe go to the Under 21 tournament next summer. Then pick him. Pele did alright in '58 at 17... Owen was decent for us at 18 in '98. Perhaps it is true that the 'sensible' decision has been made, but as I said, it's just my view, but with our squad I feel there's room for a risk or two. 'Only the English' I think is total nonsense, a quick google will show you a whole host of other nations, big and small, taking teenagers to the world cup. You judge each situation individually, if they have the ability, pick them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Err, Sessegnon is not the next Pele. Michael Owen had played in the Premiership for a couple of seasons and had been given his debut by Hoddle some time before the tournament. I was referring to the massive clamour for any talented looking player to be picked for England. It happens all the time. How many teenagers have their been in the last Spanish and German squads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Coxy27 said: Pele did alright in '58 at 17... Owen was decent for us at 18 in '98. Perhaps it is true that the 'sensible' decision has been made, but as I said, it's just my view, but with our squad I feel there's room for a risk or two. 'Only the English' I think is total nonsense, a quick google will show you a whole host of other nations, big and small, taking teenagers to the world cup. You judge each situation individually, if they have the ability, pick them. 1958 was a different era and pele was a special once in a life time player Owen was playing prem football at liverpool at 18 not championship football at fulham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Messi was 18 when he went to the 2006 world cup. He wasn't first choice but still took part in some of the games. Their coach left Messi on the bench when they were knocked out on penalties to Germany. Pretty much the whole of Argentina wanted him to bring Messi on but he never did. If you're good enough, you're old enough, taking RS would have done no harm. Germany in the last world cup took two 20 year olds. Argentina who lost the final, their youngest player was Marcus rojo who was 24. We took Shaw (18), Sterling (19) Barkley and oxlade-Chamberlain (both 20) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, The Batman said: Messi was 18 when he went to the 2006 world cup. He wasn't first choice but still took part in some of the games. Their coach left Messi on the bench when they were knocked out on penalties to Germany. Pretty much the whole of Argentina wanted him to bring Messi on but he never did. If you're good enough, you're old enough, taking RS would have done no harm. Germany in the last world cup took two 20 year olds. Argentina who lost the final, their youngest player was Marcus rojo who was 24. We took Shaw (18), Sterling (19) Barkley and oxlade-Chamberlain (both 20) difference is, all the players you've mentioned had top flight experience RS doesn't, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Sess will have his time in 2 years time. I've no doubt that by then he'll have 50 or so Premier League games under his belt, whether with Fulham or not. If he takes his chances then he'll no doubt be in the Euro's squad in 2020. May also play a role in the Nation's League - guess we are yet to see what the attitude will be towards those games - i.e. whehter they are treated as "full and competitive" internationals or whether they have a slightly lower status, kind of glorified freindlies type thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: difference is, all the players you've mentioned had top flight experience RS doesn't, That is true, but that isn't his fault. For many years, Fulham were a premier league club. According to Wikipedia, he joined them in 2008, 2 years later, they lost the Europa League final to At. Madrid in extra time. They were a club going places, but eventually relegation got the better of them. He has been superb in the 2 seasons of football he has played, granted it isn't the Premier League, but the Championship is a very competitive league to play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, The Batman said: That is true, but that isn't his fault. For many years, Fulham were a premier league club. According to Wikipedia, he joined them in 2008, 2 years later, they lost the Europa League final to At. Madrid in extra time. They were a club going places, but eventually relegation got the better of them. He has been superb in the 2 seasons of football he has played, granted it isn't the Premier League, but the Championship is a very competitive league to play in. Reid's been superb this season but there isn't much call for him to be included, the lad is 17 and has 1 under 21 game to his name, I'm all for blooding youngsters but while he's a good player its just wrong to clamber for him to be included, even if he was he wouldn't get a game and if he did he'd be ripped to shreds by fans/media if he made a mistake (as a 17yo would do under immense pressure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Reid's been superb this season but there isn't much call for him to be included, the lad is 17 and has 1 under 21 game to his name, I'm all for blooding youngsters but while he's a good player its just wrong to clamber for him to be included, even if he was he wouldn't get a game and if he did he'd be ripped to shreds by fans/media if he made a mistake (as a 17yo would do under immense pressure) He has indeed, you never know, maybe Southgate liked what he saw in the League Cup matches Think we'll have to agree to disagree, I'd have liked him to go to get some Tournament experience so he knows what to expect for the future. With Reid however, we have an abundance of strikers and attacking midfielders for England. Left wing backs however, we have been limited to players who play week in week out in that position. Young and Delph have played there, Rose for Spurs was out for a while, Chilwell at Leicester has been hit and miss. Maybe Mr J Bryan should keep his phone on today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcolebristol Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 I see rumours are starting escalating about Leon Bailey making the squad. I don't get how he can be English though? He's played one friendly for Jamaica U23's so I dont know if that rules him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Rose and Young in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jcolebristol said: I see rumours are starting escalating about Leon Bailey making the squad. I don't get how he can be English though? He's played one friendly for Jamaica U23's so I dont know if that rules him out? You can play friendlies for the senior team without it ruling you out of switching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, hodge said: You can play friendlies for the senior team without it ruling you out of switching Correct @Jcolebristol As touched upon earlier (i think) Zaha played 2 friendlies for England a few years ago but plays for the Ivory Coast. Once you've played a competitive match, ie qualifier, tournament match, then you are stuck (if that's the right word to use) with that country. Diego Costa too, i think played a friendly for Brazil before playing for Spain - citation needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jcolebristol said: I see rumours are starting escalating about Leon Bailey making the squad. I don't get how he can be English though? He's played one friendly for Jamaica U23's so I dont know if that rules him out? Never heard of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Super said: Never heard of him? Plays in Germany, very good winger, he was born in Jamaica and has played for Genk and Bayer Leverkusen. Probably has an English nan or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Super Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Bit disappointed Lallana and Shelvey aren't in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Pretty good squad I reckon. Good balance of youth and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 best we could get with the players on offer, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Heaton, Lallana, Cook. Tarkowski, Livermore on standby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Seems a bit odd to me? There are 3 right backs (Walker, Trippier & Arnold). In essence 3 left backs (Rose, Young & Delph). It’s certainly where Young & Delph have played all their football this season. And quite what Welbeck has done to deserve a place I don’t know. Would rather have Lallana or even someone like Grealish in there. Or Shelvey even. Most odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, The Batman said: Messi was 18 when he went to the 2006 world cup. He wasn't first choice but still took part in some of the games. Their coach left Messi on the bench when they were knocked out on penalties to Germany. Pretty much the whole of Argentina wanted him to bring Messi on but he never did. If you're good enough, you're old enough, taking RS would have done no harm. Germany in the last world cup took two 20 year olds. Argentina who lost the final, their youngest player was Marcus rojo who was 24. We took Shaw (18), Sterling (19) Barkley and oxlade-Chamberlain (both 20) Norman Whiteside is the youngest player ever to appear in the World Cup Finals - at Spain ‘82 - as you say, if you’re good enough the age doesn’t matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Same old, same old! No one to excite and god only knows who's going to take a game by the scruff of the neck or come off the bench to make a difference. Jones, Cahill and Welbeck are silly picks. Names over form once again. Tarkowski and even Lascelles are very unlucky. Why not go for a Leon Bailey, a Jadon Sancho or even Ademola Lookman who has the best goals to game ratio in the Bundesliga in 2018. And the back up list is atrocious bar Lallana. And if Lallana is fit he should 100% be in the squad and if he's not fit why would you but him on a standby list where you require reliability. Lewis Cook and Jake Livermore over Shelvey as well. Uninspiring as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Jcolebristol said: I see rumours are starting escalating about Leon Bailey making the squad. I don't get how he can be English though? He's played one friendly for Jamaica U23's so I dont know if that rules him out? Leon Bailey’s a difficult one. Because he’s adopted no ones really sure wether he’s eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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