Davefevs Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Simon79 said: Hi Dave. Not so, Elliott has to see an eye specialist in Cardiff every so often. We basically wave his Blue Badge at the attendant & away we go! COYR Yeah, I read Raspberry Red’s post and checked the rules....I had misunderstood them. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Simon79 said: Hi Dave. Not so, Elliott has to see an eye specialist in Cardiff every so often. We basically wave his Blue Badge at the attendant & away we go! COYR Here in wales most NHS car parks are free its only where they are waiting for an outsourcing contract to end do you have too pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 19 hours ago, dave36 said: The price hikes for season tickets, young people and disabled has also spread to parking charges for on site parking. Bristol city have stated that concessions for disabled fans are being removed Over 3 seasons - in response to accusations of discrimination they have come up with the following The way that we have operated our pricing structure previously has actually been positively discriminating towards non-disabled fans and it's only right that we rectify this.” So fans in wheelchairs or unable to walk without difficulty have been given an unfair advantage, to the detriment of able bodied fans - am I stupid or is this corporate drivel? Prior to the demolition of the Williams stand I was parking alongside Oscar, only this season past did I get a space on site again. But how long did it take Our club to find a way to extract more cash, as a disabled pensioner I got hit by my season ticket price rise, my 15 yo grandson was hit by a 100% hike (which I pay), he is a non earner, of course! And now I get a phone call telling me my parking will cost an extra £50 this year, rising again for the next 2 years. Bristol sport cry positive discrimination! Give me a break it’s pay up some more or watch football on tv! And why? Because you are unlucky enough not to able bodied! Perhaps I should also add that I am an ex serviceman - no I don’t dwell on any of it - but don’t shoot me me in the ar$e and blame it on positive discrimination! Aren't people misreading this? Quote The way that we have operated our pricing structure previously has actually been positively discriminating towards non-disabled fans and it's only right that we rectify this.” If they have been positively discriminating towards non-disabled fans it means they have been favouring the able bodied fans at the expense of the disabled fan and now they are rectifying this which can only work in favour of the disabled fans? It is saying that despite everybody getting a price hike the able bodied will get more of a price hike than the disabled. Without ploughing through the numbers I can't demonstrate whether that's what is happening but in this case the usual Bristol Sport management speak has bitten them on the posterior. If instead of saying: The way that we have operated our pricing structure previously has actually been positively discriminating towards non-disabled fans and it's only right that we rectify this. They had instead said: Price increases will be lower for disabled fans. Then this would have been (partially) a good news story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted May 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 No that is not it! Positive discrimation means that the ones NOT benefiting are the ones who are discriminated against or in other words able bodied fans could claim they are the ones being unfairly treated because disabled fans pay less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, dave36 said: No that is not it! Positive discrimation means that the ones NOT benefiting are the ones who are discriminated against or in other words able bodied fans could claim they are the ones being unfairly treated because disabled fans pay less I think it does say that because if you positively discriminate towards, say, women then you give them an advantage; so to take that away positive discrimination then disadvantages them. However having had a poke about on the OS despite their makng that statement the impact is absolutely as you claim so it looks like the highly-paid communications department at Bristol Sport does not understand English. Quote On the subject of disabled pricing, I want to take this opportunity to explain the rationale behind the changes we have made. The majority of Championship clubs have moved to offer disabled supporters pricing in line with the age categories for all supporters, in-keeping with guidelines set out by Level Playing Field. This is something Bristol City FC already offered for matchday tickets and now we have applied the same pricing structure for season cards. We acknowledge that for some disabled supporters this has caused great difficulty. We should have considered this more fully and communicated it better. With this in mind we have now agreed to phase in the pricing over the next three seasons. For the 2018/19 season disabled (adult) fans will be able to purchase a season card with a 15 per cent discount off the Advanced full adult price. Any disabled adult who has already purchased/renewed will be contacted by Supporter Services for a 15 per cent refund. For the 2019/20 season adult disabled supporters will be entitled to a ten per cent discount on the equivalent adult price and for the 2020/21 campaign a five per cent discount will apply. The following year will see disabled pricing brought in line with full adults and current matchday pricing. https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/statement-on-season-cards-201819/ Virtue-signalling aside I think if you did an entirely secret ballot of all season ticket holders to ask "Are you happy that disabled supporters get a 15% disocunt on ticket price, even though this means your paying more?" then the answer woudl be 90%+ "yes". I don't think they should hide behind "Level Playing Field guidelines" in making this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 14 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Income Tax ? Try Reading my post again What’s wrong with IHT? You have a large amount of income one year and pay tax on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted May 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 The club announcement states pricing for season cards! Not one mention of parking charges. the ST fiasco was bad enough, but I do believe the core motive of the sudden implementation of ST pricing had more to do with attempting to force the disabled, elderly and young fans to move away from premium seating, enabling the club to cash in on the vacant seats, the club totally ignoring the patience and understanding of those same fans when displaced due to the rebuild! The UNANNOUNCED parking increase is more of the same! Remove discounts and disadvantaged fans give up their discounted spaces, thus enabling greater income from the suits grabbing up the vacant spaces at premium rates. Personally I wish I could park off site and still attend matches but at the moment that is impossible. When I lost my space in front of the hireite shed I was allocated a space in Avondale, a bloody joke! “We provide transport” they said, that meant waiting for the community bus to get through traffic, then most match days an hour to get out of Avondale. All possible for able fans, but imagine enduring that wasted time unable to self medicate and still face a 40 minute drive home. My problems were totally ignored by BCFC until the Winterstoke Car park reopened and then I only got a space because one member of staff took pity on me! Now I and the other disabled fans are facing the same prospect, pay up or stop attending games - a totally disgraceful situation! While we are at it lets moan about away ticketing. Man City, booked my seats, told them I needed to be near entrance and could not climb stairs “ no problem David all seats are accessible “ great no don’t be daft got to Man City only to discover seats were in centre of block on very last TOP ROW! should not have been surprised though, same thing happened City v hull in the playoff at Wembley. They don’t bloody care, they have your money - customer safety or satisfaction is of no importance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 12 hours ago, Davefevs said: Is your van Motability? If so it’s tax-exempt, like mine. If not, then i’ve Misunderstood the rules (just read up - I misunderstood- doh) Yes, all blue badge holders qualify.......but I don't know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 18 hours ago, Cowshed said: Do you , yourself speak from personal experience? Yes. Two decades working for a disabilities charity in various capacities from Support Worker to Manager involving both care and leisure (sport - football) services. It was not a sarcastic reply and lecture. It was a reply to Mr Smith. It is disingenuous. Bristol Sport did not follow level playing fields guidelines. Here is one of their principle guidelines. Involvement in decision-making - so that disabled people, and/or their advocates, are consulted before decisions which affect them are made. It did not happen. They did read it only ... Involvement in decision-making - No fan, or fans group, will be consulted anymore when decisions which affect them are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Parsons Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Hi all, I have spoken to the stadium team who manage the car parks and have been told that while parking prices have been frozen for the last 3 years, the car park providers that they use have been increasing their prices year on year. The price rises for next season have come in so Ashton Gate can cover the costs associated with operating the car parks. While I can emapthise with our disabled fans who will have a jump in parking prices from last season, I have been told that all disabled parking will receive a 15% discount on the full rate price for this season. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 19/05/2018 at 16:44, BobBobSuperBob said: So you added a line after I pointed out Id referred to Inheritance tax not Income taxt inheritance tax isn’t %40 ????? Ohhhhh isn’t it Please enlighten me @CotswoldRed ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Matt Parsons BCFCSLO said: Hi all, I have spoken to the stadium team who manage the car parks and have been told that while parking prices have been frozen for the last 3 years, the car park providers that they use have been increasing their prices year on year. The price rises for next season have come in so Ashton Gate can cover the costs associated with operating the car parks. While I can emapthise with our disabled fans who will have a jump in parking prices from last season, I have been told that all disabled parking will receive a 15% discount on the full rate price for this season. Matt Do we really need an entire team to manage car parks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Do we really need an entire team to manage car parks? Pity we don't have a similar team to manage the football Oh sorry, forgot it is about income with BS not football. Stupid me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Do we really need an entire team to manage car parks? They manage the stadium and car parks as Matt said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said: They manage the stadium and car parks as Matt said. It was more about the parking providers. I would have thought it was a case of BS owning the parking at Ashton Gate, and other venues that offer parking do so on their own basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: It was more about the parking providers. I would have thought it was a case of BS owning the parking at Ashton Gate, and other venues that offer parking do so on their own basis. Oh apologies. It enables us to make more money, that’s the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: @CotswoldRed ???? Inheritance tax is 40% if over 325 grand or something but otherwise less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said: Oh apologies. It enables us to make more money, that’s the reason. Surprised there is revenue to be made by the club. Unless they commit to paying 'x' amount to take all the spaces in advance and provide stewarding and the like. Would have thought that in a free market if you have a couple of hundred spaces you would want to go it alone and set your own prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Surprised there is revenue to be made by the club. Unless they commit to paying 'x' amount to take all the spaces in advance and provide stewarding and the like. Would have thought that in a free market if you have a couple of hundred spaces you would want to go it alone and set your own prices. Maintenance of the car park, probably the attendants if there are any, signage etc all costs money and less than the amount it would take us to maintain it. Less hassle basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, EmissionImpossible said: Inheritance tax is 40% if over 325 grand or something but otherwise less. Gon off topic but Inheritance tax is %40 despite Cotswolds protestations And applies only over the thresholds for single or married persons Maybe there are many younger on the forum who havnt considered the implications for them yet With prices of property , and rising way in excess of any changes to Inheritance tax it’s going to impact on more and more people As it’s an important subject here’s the facts There’s normally no Inheritance Tax to pay if either: the value of your estate is below the £325,000 threshold you leave everything to your spouse or civil partner, a charity or a community amateur sports club If you give away your home to your children (including adopted, foster or stepchildren) or grandchildren, your threshold will increase to £450,000. If you’re married or in a civil partnership and your estate is worth less than your threshold, any unused threshold can be added to your partner’s threshold when you die. This means their threshold can be as much as £850,000. Inheritance Tax rates The standard Inheritance Tax rate is 40%. It’s only charged on the part of your estate that’s above the threshold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Gon off topic but Inheritance tax is %40 despite Cotswolds protestations And applies only over the thresholds for single or married persons Maybe there are many younger on the forum who havnt considered the implications for them yet With prices of property , and rising way in excess of any changes to Inheritance tax it’s going to impact on more and more people As it’s an important subject here’s the facts There’s normally no Inheritance Tax to pay if either: the value of your estate is below the £325,000 threshold you leave everything to your spouse or civil partner, a charity or a community amateur sports club If you give away your home to your children (including adopted, foster or stepchildren) or grandchildren, your threshold will increase to £450,000. If you’re married or in a civil partnership and your estate is worth less than your threshold, any unused threshold can be added to your partner’s threshold when you die. This means their threshold can be as much as £850,000. Inheritance Tax rates The standard Inheritance Tax rate is 40%. It’s only charged on the part of your estate that’s above the threshold. is that per child etc or in total? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, reddoh said: is that per child etc or in total? Total Get some advice people! The number of normal people who are getting hammered with IHT is horrendous. In work I often see it when it’s too late to do anything about it. There are many perfectly legitimate ways to reduce your IHT bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, reddoh said: is that per child etc or in total? Nothing to do with children (Dependents / beneficiaries etc) Reddoh The thresholds apply to the person that’s deceased and their estate As @RumRed points out - For those with children especially , there are things you can do early to negate the hit , even avoid it but my advice to anyone past their 30s is to at least be aware of the options , and the long term consequences if you don’t !!! Many property owning married couples Estate.may approach £1 million when you consider value of property these days Even as a married couple that’s an inheritance tax bill of £140000 as it stands ,( in basic starting terms) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Matt Parsons BCFCSLO said: Hi all, I have spoken to the stadium team who manage the car parks and have been told that while parking prices have been frozen for the last 3 years, the car park providers that they use have been increasing their prices year on year. The price rises for next season have come in so Ashton Gate can cover the costs associated with operating the car parks. While I can emapthise with our disabled fans who will have a jump in parking prices from last season, I have been told that all disabled parking will receive a 15% discount on the full rate price for this season. Matt That’s a pretty much expected response Matt. There are other areas of the overall Bristol Sport Company that you’ll happily subsidise, seems a poor choice to not do it for disabled fans. Is the parking for players on match day classed as a Benefit in Kind? Thats not just me coming from a biased viewpoint of being someone impacted, just what a lot of decent people would think right to do. A bit like when I’m unable to make a game I’ll email supporter services and let them know my space is available for someone else to use. For all I know you might actually sell that on again. Again, like the Season Ticket Fiasco it the sheer shock of the price increases without warning. If you were increasing by 15% over 3 years we have time to decide what we want to do but when you increase by 60% and then “cushion” it by 15%, what do you expect the reaction to be it isn’t going to be “thanks”. Chances are next years 10% will be negated by the year two full price / increase that it was meant to protect. You are starting to alienate groups of fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted May 21, 2018 Admin Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 @Davefevs just being nosey, but what was the price before and what will it be from next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglo-Welsh Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 Disgusting from the club but doubt there will be any any organised action against it, just more pre-orders on the latest replica kit, complete with back printing and arm badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, phantom said: @Davefevs just being nosey, but what was the price before and what will it be from next season? £150 now £240 full price (up 60%) but 15% off this year so £204 (up 36%) 10% next year, but we won’t know full price yet 5% the year after, ditto re full price above the above is for the parking by the Lansdown / Atyeo. Same prices for south Stand but I don’t know the prices last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANWRENBCFC4LIFE Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 As a disabled fan, after next season I’m not renewing anymore. In the words of Jim Cornette “Thank you, **** you, bye!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO A point was raised earlier in the thread (which could have easily been missed) around the how this decision was reached and the consultation with groups who are impacted by this decision. It therefore seems surprising that a number of people on here who are either disabled or carers for people who are disabled seem to have been hit for six by this increase. Can you enquire as to how many impacted supporters were consulted and what form that consultation took as clearly there seems to be something of a gap here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, DANWRENBCFC4LIFE said: As a disabled fan, after next season I’m not renewing anymore. In the words of Jim Cornette “Thank you, **** you, bye!” Fair dos I stopped supporting the "club" a long time ago, I now only support the team at away matches I choose, I have disagreed with the way the club has been run for the best part of 7 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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