pride of the west Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 There are certainly some learnings to be taken from this, both for our stewarding and the police. But to declare future games between us as a bubble will be lazy and lessons would not have be learned in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Watched the longer footage on Bristol Post site- previously seen the shorter version but the longer now. Took police a good 22 seconds at least to get on the scene from the outset. Others may already have seen it but anyway. Well that's odd- there was a 1 minute 26 seconds version at least on there but it seems to have reverted back. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-investigating-violence-during-2503117 From about 42 seconds in, Swansea fan towards the front, dark jacket on: looks like he is wearing his goalie gloves. Should be ejected for that fashion crime alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, richwwtk said: A lack of intelligence and/or self control. A bit harsh to talk about the police like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, phantom said: I disagree, there was over 23,000 people in the ground and less than 1% caused a problem, no reason to change things in the future The disorder was mainly outside the ground though throughout the day wasn't it, and not all of it came to the attention of the all knowing OB. In the stadium it was nothing compared to how things used to be as it was fairly limited, but as Milo said, the wider public who have no interest in football deserve to feel safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 03/02/2019 at 12:24, BobBobSuperBob said: Well , here we go......... Heres the whole build up and what went on....... Quite a funny video in some parts....Id seen comments about the guy running on the pitch for the disallowed goal but missed it at the time ......**** me he ran half the length of the pitch . Fair play.........only to look a plonk Looks like Swansea fans were the aggravators to me ,with City upping the level and the taffs intent on trying to cause problems all through game Although they seemed to go quiet at 2-0 down for a while At 1.54-1.56 on the video you can see a city fan with a cream jacket on throw a punch at a steward, First copper rushing in pushes him away instead of nicking him. I thought the stewards were very brave and did an excellent job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 02/02/2019 at 22:28, KevP said: It wasn't @JulieHmate, a much younger WPC shouted it Think you might have just been removed from @JulieH 's Christmas card list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, One Team In Keynsham said: From about 42 seconds in, Swansea fan towards the front, dark jacket on: looks like he is wearing his goalie gloves. Should be ejected for that fashion crime alone. Was he wearing high waisted baggies with side patch pockets,all the rage in SW Wales I’m told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, reddoh said: Think you might have just been removed from @JulieH 's Christmas card list. Oh darn...… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, pride of the west said: There are certainly some learnings to be taken from this, both for our stewarding and the police. But to declare future games between us as a bubble will be lazy and lessons would not have be learned in my opinion. Won't be a bubble next season as they won't get promoted with us !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 6 hours ago, phantom said: I disagree, there was over 23,000 people in the ground and less than 1% caused a problem, no reason to change things in the future Do the people that behaved themselves not need protection from potentially being caught up in this sort of stupidity. Do the kids that were there not deserve to be protected from seeing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judda Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'm all up for creating an atmosphere but my daughter had a full on panic attack and we had to leave the ground. Missed 70 minutes. Btw. To all the ****s that run from one end of the concourse to the other and blocked the stairwells to get nowhere near the Swansea fans. Well done. You must be really hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, Judda said: I'm all up for creating an atmosphere but my daughter had a full on panic attack and we had to leave the ground. Missed 70 minutes. Btw. To all the ****s that run from one end of the concourse to the other and blocked the stairwells to get nowhere near the Swansea fans. Well done. You must be really hard. This is why it should be a bubble. If people want to scrap with each other then each to their own. But how can it be justified when it affects innocent people, especially kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Judda said: I'm all up for creating an atmosphere but my daughter had a full on panic attack and we had to leave the ground. Missed 70 minutes. Btw. To all the ****s that run from one end of the concourse to the other and blocked the stairwells to get nowhere near the Swansea fans. Well done. You must be really hard. That’s a shame, with hindsight perhaps should have asked to move to the family stand for the rest of the game, as a steward offered another family. Hope it doesn’t stop your daughter returning with you. Perhaps @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO could get involved and any families with tickets in this area have the option of transferring to the Family Stand, as the likes of the Birmingham, Leeds and other sell out games, will also be fuel charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, East End Old Boy said: I'm all up for creating an atmosphere but my daughter had a full on panic attack and we had to leave the ground. Missed 70 minutes. That’s a shame, with hindsight perhaps should have asked to move to the family stand for the rest of the game, as a steward offered another family. Hope it doesn’t stop your daughter returning with you. Certainly a shame, as you say, but the offer was made and, hopefully, the poor girl will return shortly. I didn't manage to get her name but just wanted to say thank you to a very kind steward. My daughter who suffers with anxiety had a huge panic attack after seeing the idiots starting on each other in the corner of the Dolman where we sit. She's a massive City fan and 3 years of season tickets and she now feels "a bit put off going to city" Anyway. Lovely lady steward saw us leaving mid 1st half and offered us the option to move seats to the family stand... she was very sweet and understanding. I wish I got her name as I'd like to give her an official thank you through the Club in some way. Hopefully my daughter will be back for the next game now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 15 hours ago, phantom said: I disagree, there was over 23,000 people in the ground and less than 1% caused a problem, no reason to change things in the future Really? On what grounds, given there was serious disorder both inside and outside the ground would you justify not changing things for future high profile games? If there isn’t more control there is a real prospect of further problems with teams who already have well documented trouble makers amongst their support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 20 hours ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: I had an Officer from Avon and Somerset internally disciplined in 2005 when it should have been an assault charge, it happens. Blimey, sounds like a job for Rudolf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Parsons Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 10 hours ago, East End Old Boy said: That’s a shame, with hindsight perhaps should have asked to move to the family stand for the rest of the game, as a steward offered another family. Hope it doesn’t stop your daughter returning with you. Perhaps @Matt Parsons BCFCSLO could get involved and any families with tickets in this area have the option of transferring to the Family Stand, as the likes of the Birmingham, Leeds and other sell out games, will also be fuel charged. If any fans would like to switch tickets to the family stand then all they need to do is contact supporter services who will be able to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 5, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Countryfile said: Really? On what grounds, given there was serious disorder both inside and outside the ground would you justify not changing things for future high profile games? If there isn’t more control there is a real prospect of further problems with teams who already have well documented trouble makers amongst their support. How would making people travel on a coach have any impact on what happens in the ground? There wasn't that serious disorder in the ground, apart from the idiots that ran on the pitch the stewards and police kept the fans seperated all afternoon As for disorder outside, as @JulieH would no doubt confirm, I can't believe there were serious amounts of problems outside the ground, so much of what was going around social media was nonsense, I got a message saying a pub had just been "done over" by Swansea, which was odd as I was sat in it at that very moment with friends and not a hint of trouble Even in the park afterwards it was not much more than people shouting at each other, certainly not on a scale of what has been witnessed in the past. When we go to Cardiff we get kept back in after the game, by the time we leave there are no problems - THIS is why many of the problems originated after the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, phantom said: How would making people travel on a coach have any impact on what happens in the ground? There wasn't that serious disorder in the ground, apart from the idiots that ran on the pitch the stewards and police kept the fans seperated all afternoon As for disorder outside, as @JulieH would no doubt confirm, I can't believe there were serious amounts of problems outside the ground, so much of what was going around social media was nonsense, I got a message saying a pub had just been "done over" by Swansea, which was odd as I was sat in it at that very moment with friends and not a hint of trouble Even in the park afterwards it was not much more than people shouting at each other, certainly not on a scale of what has been witnessed in the past. When we go to Cardiff we get kept back in after the game, by the time we leave there are no problems - THIS is why many of the problems originated after the game You seem to have been everywhere, in the pub, in the park, a perfect view of the non trouble in the ground? When was the last time 25 fans were ejected from the ground? I did have a perfect view of the trouble in the stadium, and I was attempting to walk through the park after the game, so I think I’ll believe what I saw with my own eyes rather than selective social media comments. I appreciate that bubble games aren’t liked, but the fact is they do deter troublesome people from attending games and causing trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Countryfile said: You seem to have been everywhere, in the pub, in the park, a perfect view of the non trouble in the ground? When was the last time 25 fans were ejected from the ground? I did have a perfect view of the trouble in the stadium, and I was attempting to walk through the park after the game, so I think I’ll believe what I saw with my own eyes rather than selective social media comments. I appreciate that bubble games aren’t liked, but the fact is they do deter troublesome people from attending games and causing trouble. On the bubble game point- and I sure don't condone the idea. However I wonder what would happen if a bubble game was announced, reduced allocations...and a load of ticketless fans travelled. Next season if we played Swansea or Cardiff and it was announced as a bubble which subsequently lead to a load of ticketless fans travelling- could be Swansea to here or us to there, similar with us to Cardiff or vice versa. Again I definitely don't condone the idea of trouble or ticketless fans travelling- but if a load of ticketless fans travelled as a form of protest against bubble match conditions let's say, that could close off one problem and open up another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: On the bubble game point- and I sure don't condone the idea. However I wonder what would happen if a bubble game was announced, reduced allocations...and a load of ticketless fans travelled. Next season if we played Swansea or Cardiff and it was announced as a bubble which subsequently lead to a load of ticketless fans travelling- could be Swansea to here or us to there, similar with us to Cardiff or vice versa. Again I definitely don't condone the idea of trouble or ticketless fans travelling- but if a load of ticketless fans travelled as a form of protest against bubble match conditions let's say, that could close off one problem and open up another. I think a lot less ticketless fans would travel than if they had tickets. Additionally, there are means of controlling travelling fans far better . For their own safety why not have them on specials which stop at Parson Street and then walk those who can walk straight to Ashton Gate, where there are facilities waiting for them. For those travelling by coach it is how the Cardiff bubble works, then drive the coaches straight to the stadium. They want a beer piss or pie, and watch the tv then there is all that at AG. if you want to see the city of Bristol come again any time on non matchday you will be welcome. It is funny that the club seeks to encourage home fans to get into the stadium to spend money as early as possible, yet away fans are kept away for as long as possible. Cardiff bubbles have deterred the majority of those without tickets and whilst some complain about the infringement of human rights I would suggest that there is a bigger picture here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 5, 2019 Admin Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, Loon plage said: I think a lot less ticketless fans would travel than if they had tickets. Wasn't this the reason City gave for the additional 1100 tickets for Swansea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Very few people, if any, would travel to a bubble match without a ticket, and not many more if non-bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, phantom said: Wasn't this the reason City gave for the additional 1100 tickets for Swansea? I'm not sure of the reasons the club gave the extra tickets, but they probably thought that some would get tickets in the home ends, which if they had, would have been the odd few and entirely manageable. They also wanted the extra revenue of course. I don't personally know of anyone who went to Cardiff without a ticket on the bubble matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, harrys said: Very few people, if any, would travel to a bubble match without a ticket, and not many more if non-bubble That's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 23 hours ago, Super said: I'm still confused what actually started the trouble off? lack of brain cells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 I broadly agree on the bubble points by @Loon plage and @harrys but there is precedent. I remember hearing about it a while ago and it seemed it was true. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21982187 Now this was a totally peaceful protest and had both sets of fans joining forces. Less edge I suspect between Hull-Huddersfield than us and Swansea/Cardiff. It is hard to say if these protesters had travelled ticketless but i any case they probably did not adhere to travel restrictions either. Like I say this was peaceful, but if it occured for other games may not always be so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between heaven and hell Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 During the stand off inside the ground one Swansea fan you could clearly make out at the front wearing all his stylish clobber was Brett Johns the UFC fighter, good luck to any City fan that had a go with him outside. I have to say this was brought to my attention by my son who follows UFC, as to be honest I have never heard of the bloke before. However evidence was soon presented to me on my lads phone to back up the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackman Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 Brett John's is s regular at the lberty and ye he travels with the boys to games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 57 minutes ago, Between heaven and hell said: During the stand off inside the ground one Swansea fan you could clearly make out at the front wearing all his stylish clobber was Brett Johns the UFC fighter, good luck to any City fan that had a go with him outside. I have to say this was brought to my attention by my son who follows UFC, as to be honest I have never heard of the bloke before. However evidence was soon presented to me on my lads phone to back up the theory. He certainly travelled But now picked up an ‘injury’ now there’s a thing Gonna stand out on video in that coat Wtf is the ‘goggle’ hat all about - Is he impersonating Pac-Man ? Burberry scarf too..........So 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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