Tinmans Love Child Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 Flint wanted out before the start of last season and half way through last season as well before getting his move. Fair play to him, got his cash, move to so say a bigger club, but he wanted out no question. Yes enjoyed him as a player for us, but he didn’t want to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Which begs the question that if we lose Webster in the summer, how many would have Flint back ? Lloyd Kelly or Bailey Wight would get to play in their preferred position. Flint will stay put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, RedM said: Lloyd Kelly or Bailey Wight would get to play in their preferred position. Flint will stay put. Kelly was absolutely superb in that role for England last week. Hope he does make it here as a CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 In the defensive ratings on whoscored.com for the Championship Webster is 9th, Kalas 39th and Flint 63rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 Last night with the reshuffles at the back, Webster moved into a position in front of the back 5. Looked comfortable there bringing ball out ,one cracking run length of pitch and was closing down there keeper in injury time. Was also geeing up Fammy in injury time to keep going till the end. Think he has potential to be a great DCM if needs be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Kelly was absolutely superb in that role for England last week. Hope he does make it here as a CB He was, and probably if it wasn’t for that game we wouldn’t know how good he is there, or could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said: Flint wanted out before the start of last season and half way through last season as well before getting his move. Fair play to him, got his cash, move to so say a bigger club, but he wanted out no question. Yes enjoyed him as a player for us, but he didn’t want to stay I think for someone who came from non-league, with fairly limited "ability" and age against him it's hard to begrudge him fancying a "last roll of the dice" type move to try and get to the Prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I think for someone who came from non-league, with fairly limited "ability" and age against him it's hard to begrudge him fancying a "last roll of the dice" type move to try and get to the Prem Agreed, no reflection on him, more on rose tinted spectacle wearers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 Webster for Flint does seem to be the Ashton way of doing business and I've no complaints. I think we could all see why Flint made the move but 8 months is a long time in football. I can assure you there were not 21,000 at Riverside last night. Actually closer to 14000 for a top Championship match so we can't be sure Boro are still a bigger club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueredsupporter Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 hours ago, EmersonsRed said: As suggested by the shrewd amongst us, getting rid of Aden Flint was the best thing we could have ever done. @BobBobSuperBob @cowshed went further than that and said City should get Webster in last season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Webster for Flint does seem to be the Ashton way of doing business and I've no complaints. I think we could all see why Flint made the move but 8 months is a long time in football. I can assure you there were not 21,000 at Riverside last night. Actually closer to 14000 for a top Championship match so we can't be sure Boro are still a bigger club. You're quite right, for OTIB fans of attendance manipulation (i.e. include all your season ticket holders) Boro did not actually have 22,000 or whatever they claimed last night, as you say it was far closer to a quiet night at Ashton Gate when the weather is poor - circa 13 or 14 thousand. As for Webster, there was one fantastic moment second half where as a result of one of his barnstorming runs overlapping everyone, he wound up as not only our most advanced player, but by some distance so much so that that he was actually isolated up front and our only outlet. Rather than getting a nose bleed and tearing back, he stayed on and led the press, tearing about Flint and co. I half imagined the Boro centre backs looking across at Pulis and asking what this sorcery was that involved 7 foot defenders not simply hoofing it vertically on demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 Aden Flint is the absolute epitome cult hero and there are few players in my time watching Bristol City who gave more on the pitch or who connected as well with the fans. But Webster is an utter class act. Composed, quality on the ball and a joy to watch. As others have said, Flint had reached a point where he wanted to move and the peak of where we could cash in on him and it was a superb piece of business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, Trueredsupporter said: @cowshed went further than that and said City should get Webster in last season!! I posted something along the lines of if Bristol City wanted to advance its passing style Adam Webster would be a progression if tat was the intent of Mr Johnson. The pairing could have been Flint and Webster. Webster is not Flints replacement Kalas is. A way of advancing City's passing football further could be Kelly Webster. Its was a bit more involved than Flint v Webster. Flint is a fine defender, if the model Lee Johnson is looking towards is a fine passing team it requires more fine passers and composed on the ball in each position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 We’ve struck gold with Webster, I don’t think anyone should be too hard on Flint as he was an absolute legend for us and gave me one of the most memorable interviews in my lifetime after that Swindon game, Boro’ have the best defence in the division so he can’t be all that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Davefevs said: The evolution of man!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devoncider Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 hours ago, JBFC II said: He was here 2006-2014. It was around 09-10 season that he started to drop off. That's certainly not the majority of his time here... yet prior to the 11-12 season he nearly went to Championship rivals Southampton for circa 850k iirc? I remember being gutted at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Port Said Red said: I wonder what odds you would have got on Webster outscoring Flint this season? I was given short shrift a couple of times at the start of the season, when I said that selling Aden was good business and that we had seen the best of his career. I continue to stand by that statement. I agree that Webster has been amazing business and his age makes it another positive as he's young and was out to prove a point at the beginning of the season, still is based on his performances. The whole outscoring Flint thing is down to the team he's playing for and how they're being used, Middlesbrough don't allow Flint forward unless it's a set piece and even then they seem awful at getting the ball to his head. For us Flint scored 9 goals and assisted two last season and it was largely down to how we used him and the fact he was allowed to push forward a lot, Webster is a different type of big center back, far more traditional in that he stays back unless it's a set piece and his mentality is far more defensively focused. This is why we've benefitted so much more, it's allowed us to be more secure in how we defend whilst allowing our attacking players more space in which to work. I'd more than happy to have Webster over Flint but it doesn't change the fact that Flint was a motivator which is something we miss on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spike said: I agree that Webster has been amazing business and his age makes it another positive as he's young and was out to prove a point at the beginning of the season, still is based on his performances. The whole outscoring Flint thing is down to the team he's playing for and how they're being used, Middlesbrough don't allow Flint forward unless it's a set piece and even then they seem awful at getting the ball to his head. For us Flint scored 9 goals and assisted two last season and it was largely down to how we used him and the fact he was allowed to push forward a lot, Webster is a different type of big center back, far more traditional in that he stays back unless it's a set piece and his mentality is far more defensively focused. This is why we've benefitted so much more, it's allowed us to be more secure in how we defend whilst allowing our attacking players more space in which to work. I'd more than happy to have Webster over Flint but it doesn't change the fact that Flint was a motivator which is something we miss on occasion. What he said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, devoncider said: yet prior to the 11-12 season he nearly went to Championship rivals Southampton for circa 850k iirc? I remember being gutted at the time the reason he didn't go was because he failed his medical as well, which would explain his drop off in performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Monkeh said: the reason he didn't go was because he failed his medical as well, which would explain his drop off in performance Things eventually declined for him, but had we got that experienced partner alongside him- we were linked with Monk from Swansea in late August 2012- that squad was not a bad one, individually- things may have panned out differently for him and us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 hours ago, hoxton casual said: Bit unfair putting Fontaine first? It’s more a timeline, and reflective of the end of his time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, downendcity said: I never saw Collier play live. Just missed him as I was more Rodgers / Hunter (Merrick injured). How good was he if you compare Webster in the Champ v Collier in old Div 1? Ignore the fact the game is very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Offside Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 I felt gutted when Flint left and thought his absence would leave a gaping hole, but both Webster and Kalas have been tremendous and have improved our back line hugely. Webster as a footballer is probably the most gifted CB I have seen in a City team (just missed out on the Div 1 days so can’t comment on the likes of Collier) and in my opinion is our player of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I never saw Collier play live. Just missed him as I was more Rodgers / Hunter (Merrick injured). How good was he if you compare Webster in the Champ v Collier in old Div 1? Ignore the fact the game is very different. I didn't see so much of Collier once we reached the first division and saw much more of him in our second division ( championship in old money) days. He was a strong defender, good in the air and very good on the ball and bringing the ball out of defence. He always seemed very assured and never seemed rushed and my recollection is that he read the game well. It's difficult to compare players from different era, but I Ive said before that I reckon Collier is the best defender Ive seen in a City shirt, so that's a lot for Webster to live up to. Collier had a great partnership with Merrick and Webster likewise forms a great pairing with Kalas and a strong partner obviously helps a lot. I'm not sure that Collier's move to Coventry pushed his career on as much as it could have, but think Webster has the ability, class and potential to go on to bigger and better things - hopefully with us, of course, but if not then I wouldn't be surprised to see him play in the top flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: I never saw Collier play live. Just missed him as I was more Rodgers / Hunter (Merrick injured). How good was he if you compare Webster in the Champ v Collier in old Div 1? Ignore the fact the game is very different. Difficult to compare, watching Collier through teenage eyes , I would say that @Downend City is pretty close. I loved Collier , classy strong and athletic. If we have to compare, then I would say Collier was better in the air , and just as good on the ball. Probably didn't bring the ball out like Webster, but in those times it was rarely done by CB , unless you were Beckenbauer . Just checked and he only played 2 games for Cov' before going to play about 350 games in America. Decent business for the Coventry , I found this while double checking. The summer of 1979 had seen big spending at Highfield Road . In came club record signing Gary Collier, a centre-half from Bristol City for £325,000 . He would appear just twice in sky blue before the middle of September and departed in the spring of 1980 for Portland Timbers of the NASL for the staggering fee of £365,000, an amazing profit for the club . Collier had been a Sky Blue for just nine months, played matches at Stoke City and Liverpool, conceded seven goals and never ran out at Highfield Road . I thought Collier was brilliant and was gutted he left. I was never a fan of Rodgers , and although I loved Norm' , I was disappointed Merrick had to move to LB. My one , slight, disappointment so far with Webster is I'd like to see him a little stronger in the air. He does seem to have improved a little in that respect already, maybe I was unfairly comparing him to Flint, who was already settled as the first ball winning CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 @1960maaan thanks. re Webster, first time I saw him v Boro (Home) I was worried that we had a CB who didn’t like heading it. I did say I would reserve judgement until I'd seen him 5 or 6 times. QPR he was a bit dodgy for 20 minutes, but improved as the game went on...then Swansea (away) he was great. That’s been the level since. My POTY if the season ended today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Davefevs said: My POTY if the season ended today. I find it hard to believe anyone would disagree Mr Fevs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, 1960maaan said: I find it hard to believe anyone would disagree Mr Fevs. There are a couple who say O’Dowda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 19 hours ago, JBFC II said: I reckon the gorilla's at bristol zoo would be better defenders than him. That graph is incredibly harsh on Fontaine, who despite being crap for the majority of his spell here was nowhere near as crap as El-Abd... I would disagree with him being crap the entire time. From joining us in 2006 through 2011 he was very solid. That summer he nearly left to Southampton was the turning point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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