Jerseybean Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Guessing that the loan arrangement will mean that Benik isn’t able to play against Stoke, does anyone know for sure please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Jerseybean said: Guessing that the loan arrangement will mean that Benik isn’t able to play against Stoke, does anyone know for sure please? Ofcourse. It's the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Fammy will start imo. Hopefully fired up with a point to prove. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, The Bard said: Ofcourse. It's the rules Thanks, didn’t appreciate that it’s a given, thought it was something negotiated between the two clubs involved. Just taken a look at the EFL rules re loan players and rule 58.4 actually says that a player will not be permitted to play against his parent club, however, it then goes onto say that if the parent club give written consent this rule can be over-ruled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Provided no more injuries and returnees doing so without a hitch. One way to go might be Eliasson, Palmer and Weimann as a front 3. Would need a proper central midfield 3 and it would be pretty fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I've a bad feeling about the Stoke game. Hoping their awful run will continue after the international break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Williams, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I give you one David Seal, scored the winner for Northampton against us...........while on loan ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: I give you one David Seal, scored the winner for Northampton against us...........while on loan ! Ah yes. ‘Come on silver lady take my word....’ one of my favourites back in the day. I liked him in Starsky and Hutch too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 David seal ark ark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, The Bard said: Ofcourse. It's the rules Not sure i's the rules, always use to be a gentleman agreement. You weren't allowed to put an actual clause in the deal. Amounts to the same thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Jerseybean said: Thanks, didn’t appreciate that it’s a given, thought it was something negotiated between the two clubs involved. Just taken a look at the EFL rules re loan players and rule 58.4 actually says that a player will not be permitted to play against his parent club, however, it then goes onto say that if the parent club give written consent this rule can be over-ruled! Correct, but we seem to be the only country that has this rule. Players loaned out in Spain, Germany, Italy etc always seem to play against their parent club. If you've loaned out a player with a view to moving him on I see no point in stopping him playing, nor if he's loaned with a view to get him games. I would scrap the rule. If the opposing manager doesn't want to play him because of doubts about his intensity in such a game that's a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I'm pretty sure his parent club would ensure that he can't play against yhem just like we ensured that Pato can't play against us. I agree with the OP that suggested a forward 3 of Andi, Nic and Kasey. That, along with say Josh and Adam behind them and a back 5 of whoever we can muster with Jay, Bailey and Tomas all on the treatment table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Jerseybean said: Thanks, didn’t appreciate that it’s a given, thought it was something negotiated between the two clubs involved. Just taken a look at the EFL rules re loan players and rule 58.4 actually says that a player will not be permitted to play against his parent club, however, it then goes onto say that if the parent club give written consent this rule can be over-ruled! Lets be serious here, with the way he's playing for us if you were Stoke would you let him play against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 11 hours ago, The Batman said: I've a bad feeling about the Stoke game. Hoping their awful run will continue after the international break. Wouldn’t surprise me if a new manager is in place as well for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoTheCiderHead Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm glad this has been brought up as I've been thinking the same thing. I too assumed it's a given that he won't be allowed to play for us but because nothing was mentioned in any of the articles when he signed for us, that's what made me wonder. If you compare it to when Pato was loaned out to Derby, one of the first things specified was the fact that "Paterson will not be eligible to play against Lee Johnson’s side when the teams meet in the 2019/20 season" whereas nothing with Benik. Also, with the fact there is an option to purchase him at the end of the season, I wondered if that had any bearing on the rules.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 11 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Come on silver lady take my word. I read that as 'Come on Silver Lady Take My Sword'. I really must start cutting down on the porn. This international break isn't gonna help matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizys Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 11 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Not sure i's the rules, always use to be a gentleman agreement. You weren't allowed to put an actual clause in the deal. Amounts to the same thing though. Nah. Loan deals is the rules. Permanent deals you can't insist either way, nor have a gentleman's agreement. Big furore a few years ago when Tim Howard moved from United to Everton and a gentleman's agreement was in place that he couldn't play the game between the two teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: Nah. Loan deals is the rules. Permanent deals you can't insist either way, nor have a gentleman's agreement. Big furore a few years ago when Tim Howard moved from United to Everton and a gentleman's agreement was in place that he couldn't play the game between the two teams. Yeah, checked after I posted, though I'm sure it must have changed . They can only play against their Parent club with written permission, not sure who would actually do this, always a chance he'd come back to bite you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 He definitely won't be eligible v Stoke. A Plan B might be Palmer behind Weimann, kind of a 4-4-1-1. Plenty of ways to work it- could have the same back 4, maybe Brownhill-Nagy-Massengo-Eliasson ie bringing back the 4-4-1-1 of 2 seasons ago. Bit asymmetrical. Or could go with O'Dowda-Brownhill-Nagy/Massengo-Eliasson with obviously Palmer-Weimann in the 1-1. O'Dowda can come inside, 3 centrally in certain phases- Weimann can pull wider higher up the pitch, overloads possible. Or even: Bentley Moore Baker Williams Hunt Brownhill Massengo Nagy Rowe Palmer Weimann Versatility aplenty, Brownhill can pull right to help with doubling up if 2 v 1, Weimann can pull left in order to in theory help Rowe, can also come inside to help to outnumber as and when, though with a packed middle it may not be necessary. It's imperfect but with the number of absentees solutions will be a bit mix and match. *Subject to injuries, hitches in recovery etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 hours ago, daored said: Wouldn’t surprise me if a new manager is in place as well for them True. Hoping they'll give him until after the break. They'd have done it by now I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: He definitely won't be eligible v Stoke. A Plan B might be Palmer behind Weimann, kind of a 4-4-1-1. Plenty of ways to work it- could have the same back 4, maybe Brownhill-Nagy-Massengo-Eliasson ie bringing back the 4-4-1-1 of 2 seasons ago. Bit asymmetrical. Or could go with O'Dowda-Brownhill-Nagy/Massengo-Eliasson with obviously Palmer-Weimann in the 1-1. O'Dowda can come inside, 3 centrally in certain phases- Weimann can pull wider higher up the pitch, overloads possible. Or even: Bentley Moore Baker Williams Hunt Brownhill Massengo Nagy Rowe Palmer Weimann Versatility aplenty, Brownhill can pull right to help with doubling up if 2 v 1, Weimann can pull left in order to in theory help Rowe, can also come inside to help to outnumber as and when, though with a packed middle it may not be necessary. It's imperfect but with the number of absentees solutions will be a bit mix and match. *Subject to injuries, hitches in recovery etc. Alternatively LJ might just replace Afobe with Semenyo. That’ll piss Famara off even further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: Alternatively LJ might just replace Afobe with Semenyo. That’ll piss Famara off even further Good shout, forgot about him almost. We have some real depth now, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 8 hours ago, 1960maaan said: Yeah, checked after I posted, though I'm sure it must have changed . They can only play against their Parent club with written permission, not sure who would actually do this, always a chance he'd come back to bite you. Chelsea allowed their loanees at Derby to play against them in the EFL Cup last season. Not sure, but maybe Cup ok, league not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Hasn’t Fammy scored a couple in the last few games against Stoke? Give him a couple of weeks training alongside AW and start those two up top; refuse to believe he’s become a bad player overnight, and Stoke is a good opportunity for him to find some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Chelsea allowed their loanees at Derby to play against them in the EFL Cup last season. Not sure, but maybe Cup ok, league not. Yep Cups are different. The site I read it on said as standard in the Prem loanees don't play against parent clubs but can, if agreed in cups. The EFL there is a clause in the loan contract that has to be triggered to let a player play against his own club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Steve Watts said: Nah. Loan deals is the rules. Permanent deals you can't insist either way, nor have a gentleman's agreement. Big furore a few years ago when Tim Howard moved from United to Everton and a gentleman's agreement was in place that he couldn't play the game between the two teams. Didn`t we do the same when we sold Christian Roberts to Swindon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 If he can’t play, hopefully, he will take his place in the away end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, TuxHarry said: ANyone think that he might start Diedhiou and semenyo? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 With Weimann our most productive player so far this season (2 goals, 2 assists?), he simply has to play. But I still think he'll be somewhere wider right side with Famara up top. I just think Johnson will want that extra aerial strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 My assumption is Benik is unavailable for Stoke away. Could one of our ITKs confirm one way or another and if so, who do we think starts, fitness etc not withstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Can’t play against loan clubs, so no he’s not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolboy_06 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Riaz said: Can’t play against loan clubs, so no he’s not available. You can play against loan clubs but it’s up to the parent club to decide when the loan was agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bristolboy_06 said: You can play against loan clubs but it’s up to the parent club to decide when the loan was agreed. Almost always it's a no- can't remember any in the League playing against parent club. Given how this was seemingly rushed out this loan, I cannot see it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 We don't need him to beat Stoke. Let him have a rest..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 A clause has to be activated to allow the player to play. I see absolutely no benefit for the Parent club in this so I'd think he's unavailable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEd73 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 57 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Almost always it's a no- can't remember any in the League playing against parent club. Given how this was seemingly rushed out this loan, I cannot see it myself. I can remember David Seal playing against us for Northampton (IIRC) whilst on loan.... He scored at least one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 55 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: A clause has to be activated to allow the player to play. I see absolutely no benefit for the Parent club in this so I'd think he's unavailable. I find it funny how a club can deem a player not good enough for them so loan him out but then not want them to play against them! Can you imagine if we had loaned out Nicky Hunt and refused him the chance to play against us?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterrimes Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Almost always it's a no- can't remember any in the League playing against parent club. Given how this was seemingly rushed out this loan, I cannot see it myself. Ha ha, we once let David Seal who was on loan at Northampton from us play against and he scored and we lost 2-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: I find it funny how a club can deem a player not good enough for them so loan him out but then not want them to play against them! Can you imagine if we had loaned out Nicky Hunt and refused him the chance to play against us?! To be fair, we made it very clear Jamie Patterson ain’t playing against us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Busterrimes said: Ha ha, we once let David Seal who was on loan at Northampton from us play against and he scored and we lost 2-1 3/1 wasn’t it. Colin Cramb scores for us. A long way to go to lose to your own player. I was ******* fuming. So nothing definitive but most on here think he is not available! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 5, 2019 Admin Share Posted September 5, 2019 Either way I'm surprised it's not popped up in any reports anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: I find it funny how a club can deem a player not good enough for them so loan him out but then not want them to play against them! Can you imagine if we had loaned out Nicky Hunt and refused him the chance to play against us?! I think it was mentioned before, didn't we loan David Seal to Northampton and he scored against us as they beat us. There is always that chance, and is it worth risking when you don't have to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porto Red Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I'm surprised no one has mentioned David Seal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Porto Red said: I'm surprised no one has mentioned David Seal Seal Good finisher Scored against against us whilst on loan at the Cobblers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I think it was mentioned before, didn't we loan David Seal to Northampton and he scored against us as they beat us. There is always that chance, and is it worth risking when you don't have to? True, but there is as much chance of the player that is forced to play as the replacement scoring the winner than there is the one on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Seal Good finisher Scored against against us whilst on loan at the Cobblers Remember that game well, feeling devastated with hundreds of other city fans in the away end as Seal on loan from us at the time scored against us. Has this happened to anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Pretty sure there was a Chelsea player on loan at Derby last season (Tomori, maybe?) who was allowed to play against his parent club in the cup. He then subsequently scored an own goal. Crafty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 It'll be Diedhiou up front on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Am I making it up or did Courtois play against Chelsea in the Champions League whilst on loan at Atletico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhhshauntaylor Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Didn't David Seal play against us, and score when we lost to Northampton, who he was on loan to, from us? Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 To be honest I do think it’s rich of a club to say ‘pay wages (or a proportion we accept) but the days leading up to our two fixtures this bloke is redundant’. It could bite our arse like Seal, and others, but the league rules should not be in favour of the loaning out club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Am I making it up or did Courtois play against Chelsea in the Champions League whilst on loan at Atletico? Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Almost always it's a no- can't remember any in the League playing against parent club. Given how this was seemingly rushed out this loan, I cannot see it myself. I think the ones with an obligation to buy mostly play but it’s mostly no with everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: We don't need him to beat Stoke. Let him have a rest..... It's a weird one because I think the expectation will be that we beat Stoke. If that doesn't happen, we'll have lost momentum and we all start doubting ourselves again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, mozo said: It's a weird one because I think the expectation will be that we beat Stoke. If that doesn't happen, we'll have lost momentum and we all start doubting ourselves again... Stoke away is a hard game despite the form they are on. It would be crazy of them to let him play against us, why would they do that? Has anyone mentioned what happened when we stupidly allowed David Seal to play against us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 58 minutes ago, The turtle said: Correct Different competition- maybe it's even a default position that loanee can face parent club? In PL, the opposite seems to apply. Championship unless specificed I think...certainly don't expect Afobe to be eligible here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Well I think this will be a big chance for Fam and Semenyo to perform. I think Fam will start and will be replaced as soon as he tires by Semenyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Different competition- maybe it's even a default position that loanee can face parent club? In PL, the opposite seems to apply. Championship unless specificed I think...certainly don't expect Afobe to be eligible here. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/26972498 Had to have a quick check above to make sure memory was in the right place Seems it was because Chelsea put in the agreement it wound cost 5 million for the two games, which counts as influencing another club. Uefa declared that as void, so he could play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Bristolboy_06 said: You can play against loan clubs but it’s up to the parent club to decide when the loan was agreed. Pretty sure nowadays its a rule, that it cannot happen. At least in the league. Not always been the case i know. I remember David Seal scoring against us. Very embarrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 11 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Am I making it up or did Courtois play against Chelsea in the Champions League whilst on loan at Atletico? Quite possible. As mentioned by someone earlier, the player is only ineligible if that is a term of the loan agreement when the loan deal is made. As the two play in different countries and both teams would have had pretty high European coefficients, the actual chances of the two sides facing each other would have been very slim, so no need for the "can't play against parent club" clause to be added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 12 hours ago, bcfc01 said: It'll be Diedhiou up front on his own. Not with AW then? I am we will have Nagy back, which allow us to play a diamond. But I could see a 4 2 3 1 with Weimann pushing in close to Fam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Knowing how shrewd Mark Ashton is maybe he left the can't play against Stoke clause out of the contract? . Just imagine the Stoke fans if Benik popped up with the winner. I'm sure this happened to us in the past. David Seal at Northampton if I recall correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 54.8 During the period of any Temporary Loan Transfer, a Player shall not play against his Transferor Club without the prior written permission of the Transferor Club (which, if given, must be indicated on the appropriate Temporary Loan Transfer form). Guidance The EFL will permit Clubs to amend a loan agreement to include permission where this is agreed by both Clubs and the Player at a later date. https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: 54.8 During the period of any Temporary Loan Transfer, a Player shall not play against his Transferor Club without the prior written permission of the Transferor Club (which, if given, must be indicated on the appropriate Temporary Loan Transfer form). Guidance The EFL will permit Clubs to amend a loan agreement to include permission where this is agreed by both Clubs and the Player at a later date. https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/ So, to summarise... Nobody on here has seen the loan agreement, so therefore nobody actually knows 100% whether he can play or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 As he can’t play, hope to see him in the away end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I don`t know if anyone`s mentioned it but when David Seal was on loan at Northampton...……………………….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: I don`t know if anyone`s mentioned it but when David Seal was on loan at Northampton...……………………….. That’s ‘crazy’, when he scored did he get a ‘kiss from rose’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StaffordshireStokie Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 On 01/09/2019 at 20:49, The Batman said: I've a bad feeling about the Stoke game. Hoping their awful run will continue after the international break. Our awful form doesn't look like ending anytime soon, if we can screw up a 1-0 lead at Birmingham (who were woeful on the day) then you definitely have a chance! I remember coming on here at the beginning of the year and saying you guys could well put the final nail in rowetts tenure and lo and behold it happened how ironic that we play each other again at a crucial stage in Nathan Jones' tenure also! a defeat and i feel he's a goner fans have turned on him and all his promises of promotion and exciting attacking football in pre season have not come to fruition thus far he's massively out of his depth and he makes at least 6 changes every game and changes formations on a weekly basis all you'll need to do on Saturday is score and our heads will drop were that frail mentally! It's got a third stint of Tony Pulis written all over it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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