westonred Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Lack of ambition doesn’t come into it, its about balancing the books and trying to run the club in a sustainable manner, like it or lump it, we have to sell to survive (meet ffp commitments) we aren’t in a position to refuse reasonable offers for our players if they come from prem clubs or are of a stupid amount ala kodja Well why are we told by LJ and MA constantly that we do not need to sell our players. if we are ambitious then keep hold of our best players and really go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: No but people in the past say prices have been so high because of sell on fees, and Josh doesn't have one. I've read that there might have been one as part of the settlement. We signed him on a free but there will have been some settlement because of his age, offered contract etc. Maybe @pnefcok or @Mortis could shed some light. @Coppello also- is it possible for a player who has left on a tribunal/free or however it was, as he was a free but we surely had to settle in 2016 as he was under 24, to have a sell on clause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, westonred said: Well why are we told by LJ and MA constantly that we do not need to sell our players. if we are ambitious then keep hold of our best players and really go for it Quite useful to analyse the accounts, the FFP position and where things are or were at a point in time. In a way, holding on to Flint, Bryan and Reid in Jan 2018 was going for it. The lack of sales that season and the loss was proof enough! Our position now is better so the need to sell isn't there- whereas Jan 2018 and to an extent possibly, Jan 2019 we needed to be mindful. Do we need to sell this January? No IMO. Less than 2 years ago with Flint, Bryan and Reid definitely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 good player. hate to see him go but you owe the player the chance to play in the premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Post also suggests that Brighton and Sheffield United interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Good luck to him if he goes. I'd like to think we get 8 figures for him but I'm not sure we should be pursuing a replacement. With our abundance of CMs including the two on loan we could use that money to strengthen elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Could be the release figure written into his contract . We didn’t pay anything for JB so 7 million pound profit is decent. No fee to claw back and no selling on fee to nobody. Decent player but IMO a good deal all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Could be the release figure written into his contract . We didn’t pay anything for JB so 7 million pound profit is decent. No fee to claw back and no selling on fee to nobody. Decent player but IMO a good deal all around. That's certain, is it? Remember we got him on a free but he was under 24 and was offered a contract by Preston... Definitely none put in at tribunal or however it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: That's certain, is it? Remember we got him on a free but he was under 24 and was offered a contract... Definitely none put in at tribunal or however it works? Not certain to be honest. But don’t recall it be mentioned. But could easily be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Not certain to be honest. But don’t recall it be mentioned. But could easily be wrong Yeah, it's unclear tbh. I wouldn't have thought sell on clauses in that scenario but who knows. Certainly doesn't seem common. At worst if there was one, it'd probably only be £1.5m on a £7m fee, we're talking upper end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I've read that there might have been one as part of the settlement. We signed him on a free but there will have been some settlement because of his age, offered contract etc. Maybe @pnefcok or @Mortis could shed some light. @Coppello also- is it possible for a player who has left on a tribunal/free or however it was, as he was a free but we surely had to settle in 2016 as he was under 24, to have a sell on clause? I'd be surprised if we agreed to a sell on clause. He was out of contract. It would have just been small fee if it had gone to tribunal anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 As we understand it JB was offered a new contract by PNE and therefore received compensation. It is very likely that the tribunal setting that compensation also agreed a series of add-ons, typically appearance based and future sell-on based. I very much suspect we will owe PNE 10-20% in that case. If we didn’t go to tribunal and agreed separately with PNE, again I suspect a sell-on percentage was agreed. It is a bit of a myth that there are no future add-ins if a player u24 leaves for free, having been offered a contract to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I'd be surprised if we agreed to a sell on clause. He was out of contract. It would have just been small fee if it had gone to tribunal anyway. Would a tribunal have the power to award a sell on fee for an out of contract player? Unlikely but not impossible IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I'd be surprised if we agreed to a sell on clause. He was out of contract. It would have just been small fee if it had gone to tribunal anyway. Read this: http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 36 minutes ago, westonred said: Well why are we told by LJ and MA constantly that we do not need to sell our players. if we are ambitious then keep hold of our best players and really go for it We were also told not to get attached to players and any offer meeting our valuation will be accepted also when has the coo and head coach said this? Care to link it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Considering recent transfers out of the club, anything short of £12million would be a bit of a joke really without anybody coming our way in exchange. Josh is still a young player, when you consider the price Kelly, Kodjia and Webster went for then anything less than £12mill shouldn’t be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Would a tribunal have the power to award a sell on fee for an out of contract player? Unlikely but not impossible IMO. Yea they have and have done in the past, John bostock at palace springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Would a tribunal have the power to award a sell on fee for an out of contract player? Unlikely but not impossible IMO. Don't know. Just thought it would be the usual 500k-1 million kind of settlement like Szmodics. But Davefevs says a tribunal can which I wasn't aware of. Makes 6 million even worse business for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Yea they have and have done in the past, John bostock at palace springs to mind John Bostock?! I'd forgotten about him. Just checked his Wiki and he's on loan at Forest from Toulouse! He's one of those odd nomadic footballers that never really settles anywhere. Belgium, Canada, France, Turkey... what a strange career. Oh, and it says he's 6ft 2, just FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 The replacement for Brownhill is already here...`! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Our league position ain't too bad currently, we have a chance of a decent high profile cup game against Liverpool in the offing .. but if all does not go well for us tonight at Shrewsbury, and we begin under-selling our better players for less than their potential true value.... I can only see things going Brownhill for us from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Considering recent transfers out of the club, anything short of £12million would be a bit of a joke really without anybody coming our way in exchange. Josh is still a young player, when you consider the price Kelly, Kodjia and Webster went for then anything less than £12mill shouldn’t be considered. The key thing is who are interested. If it's 2 or 3 prem sides like Gregor says, then yes surely we get a good fee. If it's just one team, with his contract up end of next season. It may be hard to get what we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: The key thing is who are interested. If it's 2 or 3 prem sides like Gregor says, then yes surely we get a good fee. If it's just one team, with his contract up end of next season. It may be hard to get what we want. 18 months is not really in that critical period though is it, if he went for a lower amount in summer than is perhaps understandable. But in January you would expect to pay more due to the fact it is halfway through the season and prices are often inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, JonDolman said: The key thing is who are interested. If it's 2 or 3 prem sides like Gregor says, then yes surely we get a good fee. If it's just one team, with his contract up end of next season. It may be hard to get what we want. If they all think he’s worth £6m, they may stop there and say make your mind up. Not everything become a “bidding war”. FWIW, I suspect total fee will be £10-12m, but initial fee £8-9m with addons and 20% sell-on. And we end up giving Preston £1.5-2.0m!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: If they all think he’s worth £6m, they may stop there and say make your mind up. Not everything become a “bidding war”. FWIW, I suspect total fee will be £10-12m, but initial fee £8-9m with addons and 20% sell-on. And we end up giving Preston £1.5-2.0m!!! Hope you're right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, marcofisher said: 18 months is not really in that critical period though is it, if he went for a lower amount in summer than is perhaps understandable. But in January you would expect to pay more due to the fact it is halfway through the season and prices are often inflated. Yep true. Just looked, Hendrick went for 10 million to Burnley from championship. 24 years old at the time. Right midfield or centre mid. Very much like Brownhill. That must have been a couple of years ago now. Prices have only gone up in that time. Anything less than 10 would seem like poor business really. Whatever prem clubs are after him must believe he is a prem quality midfielder. Young English prem quality midfielders should not cost 6 million. Well, certainly when they still have a fair amount of time left on contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadyred Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 JB very much fits the 'buy them young and sell for profit' mantra we've developed therefore it would be no surprise to see him go, it's business after all. £6M is very low though considering we hold all the cards, if they really want or need him surely we can and will demand a fee of above £10M. There has never been any value in the January market and at £6m we'd be bucking the trend IMO. They'd be buying him to boost their Premier league survival chances, the cost of which is far more than £6M. Whilst id be sad if he were to go, players do come and go and I really believe Walsh will be our standout player next year (I may get laughed at for that) but i think he is absolute quality and would easily make the step up after a season of regular football. Im sure Morrell could too, but I've really not seen much of him to pass comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: If they all think he’s worth £6m, they may stop there and say make your mind up. Not everything become a “bidding war”. FWIW, I suspect total fee will be £10-12m, but initial fee £8-9m with addons and 20% sell-on. And we end up giving Preston £1.5-2.0m!!! This is what I think we would sell for. I have said before 10-12m but maybe less if he has indicated his time is up here(last 18 months now) so we’d sell in summer anyway. The 6m I’d expect that as a summer fee not a January one. I can’t recall many similar to Josh moving to the prem recently(talking age, position, goal scoring record) but Burnley got one in Hendrick. That was 10.5m. Not sure the contract situation then but he wasn’t as prolific a scorer as Josh. Think they will feel they have overpaid there and may be more cautious offering a fee for a champ player now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 9 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I can’t recall many similar to Josh moving to the prem recently(talking age, position, goal scoring record) but Burnley got one in Hendrick. That was 10.5m. Not sure the contract situation then but he wasn’t as prolific a scorer as Josh. Think they will feel they have overpaid there and may be more cautious offering a fee for a champ player now. Hendrick was already a full international when joining Burnley and based on Wikipedia (yes, ok) their goalscoring is very similar - 26 in 214 games .v. 17 in 154. All that said, I too feel Burnley are likely to be more cautious this time round and would be amazed if we got £10 million or more. Don't really understand why we'd do this deal now (tell him he can leave in the summer), unless it somehow enables us to do other deals which significantly upgrade our attacking options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Hendrick was already a full international when joining Burnley and based on Wikipedia (yes, ok) their goalscoring is very similar - 26 in 214 games .v. 17 in 154. All that said, I too feel Burnley are likely to be more cautious this time round and would be amazed if we got £10 million or more. Don't really understand why we'd do this deal now (tell him he can leave in the summer), unless it somehow enables us to do other deals which significantly upgrade our attacking options. Yes, was gonna say the same about international status, but also he was playing well for ROI too, demonstrating (potential) ability to step-up. £6m is what I would call a sensible opening gambit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Starting tonight. Surely that suggests that any deal isn't close, if there even has been a formal bid? Both clubs and the player wouldn't be risking an injury if it was, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, pigeon said: Starting tonight. Surely that suggests that any deal isn't close, if there even has been a formal bid? Both clubs and the player wouldn't be risking an injury if it was, surely? Watch that bruise Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Bristol Post reporting that Josh has a 7m release clause in his conract, that comes into effect this summer. Dont be surprised, to see him go in the next week or 2 for 8-10m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Riaz said: Bristol Post reporting that Josh has a 7m release clause in his conract, that comes into effect this summer. Dont be surprised, to see him go in the next week or 2 for 8-10m. Surprised if we even get that much if that clause is true. 7 million plus Wells now would be a very good deal imo considering that clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Riaz said: Bristol Post reporting that Josh has a 7m release clause in his conract, that comes into effect this summer. Dont be surprised, to see him go in the next week or 2 for 8-10m. Well. That may change matters somewhat. It does mean the ceiling here is, as @Riaz says, £8-£10m. I can see a prem club shelling an extra £1-2m to steal a march and get JB early. The questions really are the following: - If Josh hangs on until the summer, he’s likely to have more choice of clubs and also may be able to negotiate that extra £1-£2m for himself as opposed to City. Is he desperate to get to the prem as a squad player now, or is he prepared to wait it out (knowing the chance may not come again) - From our perspective, it feels simple. You don’t put that clause in as a player unless you intend exercising it, so he’s gone for £7m in the summer. With that pretty much in the Bank with the noted interest, do we take c£2m more now, or stick with a player who may not be 100% as he eyes up a summer move? To put it another way, would you pay £1-£2m loan fee for JB for the 18 games that are left? To me, he’s not of that value in that circumstance. So if we get an extra £2m now, I’d sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Surprised if we even get that much if that clause is true. 7 million plus Wells now would be a very good deal imo considering that clause. No point taking anything less than 8m. When we can take 7m in the summer and have him here for the rest of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Riaz said: No point taking anything less than 8m. When we can take 7m in the summer and have him here for the rest of the season But we'd be gaining Wells out of deal. We'd be 7 million better off to then strengthen elsewhere too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Riaz said: Bristol Post reporting that Josh has a 7m release clause in his conract, that comes into effect this summer. This also no doubt means that we've tried and so far failed this season to get him to sign a new contract before he enters the final year of his deal and that low release clause applies. As captain for most of the season, I'm a little surprised we've not been able to get him onto new terms - I wonder if that's Josh wanting to move on or the club seeing him as tradeable. Either way I'm curious if his dramatic drop-off in form in the past month has any correlation to a failure of talks behind the scenes and his recognition he may be moving on in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Surprised if we even get that much if that clause is true. 7 million plus Wells now would be a very good deal imo considering that clause. Slightly contradictory there I’d say. If on one hand you’re saying we wouldn’t get £8-£10m, and on the other saying we could get £7m + Wells, that puts NW at below £1m. Be delighted with that but don’t see it - more likely £5m plus NW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpty Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, JonDolman said: But we'd be gaining Wells out of deal. We'd be 7 million better off to then strengthen elsewhere too. I'm with JD. If him leaving now facilitates getting someone in, then go for it. I'd even consider taking less than £7m in certain circumstances (e.g. Burnley value their player @£5m, we value Josh @£7m, so they pay us £2m, but for bookkeeping reasons, their player is valued at £3m and Josh £5m. Handy if there are sell on clauses, etc. although maybe a tad immoral). If a club other than Burnley come in, then we ask for a a small £1-2m premium, as they would be securing their man and he'd be available earlier. But it the other club is Villa, its £15m, even though he's not a striker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Surprised if we even get that much if that clause is true. 7 million plus Wells now would be a very good deal imo considering that clause. I’ll eat my hat if that happens. Caveat: my hat is made of rice paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, JonDolman said: But we'd be gaining Wells out of deal. We'd be 7 million better off to then strengthen elsewhere too. If we got Wells, that would be a great deal. That effectively mean, we got got about 12m for brownhill and a prolific striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Well. That may change matters somewhat. It does mean the ceiling here is, as @Riaz says, £8-£10m. I can see a prem club shelling an extra £1-2m to steal a march and get JB early. The questions really are the following: - If Josh hangs on until the summer, he’s likely to have more choice of clubs and also may be able to negotiate that extra £1-£2m for himself as opposed to City. Is he desperate to get to the prem as a squad player now, or is he prepared to wait it out (knowing the chance may not come again) - From our perspective, it feels simple. You don’t put that clause in as a player unless you intend exercising it, so he’s gone for £7m in the summer. With that pretty much in the Bank with the noted interest, do we take c£2m more now, or stick with a player who may not be 100% as he eyes up a summer move? To put it another way, would you pay £1-£2m loan fee for JB for the 18 games that are left? To me, he’s not of that value in that circumstance. So if we get an extra £2m now, I’d sell If it were me, I'd be wanting to go now - one injury can scupper a deal and even a career. Imagine he said he'll hang on until the summer for more money and then did an ACL. I'd rather move and be on 30k a week more for the next 6 months. If he's going to go, I reckon it will be in the next two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Riaz said: If we got Wells, that would be a great deal. That effectively mean, we got got about 12m for brownhill and a prolific striker It would possibly be one the best deals the club have ever done, if it were to come off. I just don't see any club agreeing to throw in a 5mil quid player and shelling out 7mil for a player who might - on a good day - command a fee of between 7 and 9 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: It would possibly be one the best deals the club have ever done, if it were to come off. I just don't see any club agreeing to throw in a 5mil quid player and shelling out 7mil for a player who might - on a good day - command a fee of between 7 and 9 million. Wells original contract runs out in the summer with the option of another year - but they apparently have no interest in exercising that option - he'd be on high wages. Would make sense to let him go to us, if it means they steal a march on other clubs, who would also want Brownhill at a cut price 7m. It would be a good deal for both clubs IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Would be interesting to see who leaked this. Either JBs agent who wants to get him a move to a Prem club now, or the club who want it out there that he’s available, but if you want him now you’ll have to pay a few extra quid than what he’s available for in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Slightly contradictory there I’d say. If on one hand you’re saying we wouldn’t get £8-£10m, and on the other saying we could get £7m + Wells, that puts NW at below £1m. Be delighted with that but don’t see it - more likely £5m plus NW Don't think it works like that does it? Burnley don't want to spend money, but have been willing to go to 7. That isn't enough, so if they're willing to offer a player who they want to get rid of then it'd be a good deal for them and us. Agree though 5 plus Wells would be decent business. But offering Wells does not mean he would normally be worth more. But in this situation they may be happy to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Absolute joke this release clause. Ashton to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, Scrumpty said: I'm with JD. If him leaving now facilitates getting someone in, then go for it. I'd even consider taking less than £7m in certain circumstances (e.g. Burnley value their player @£5m, we value Josh @£7m, so they pay us £2m, but for bookkeeping reasons, their player is valued at £3m and Josh £5m. Handy if there are sell on clauses, etc. although maybe a tad immoral). If a club other than Burnley come in, then we ask for a a small £1-2m premium, as they would be securing their man and he'd be available earlier. But it the other club is Villa, its £15m, even though he's not a striker! Yep. I guess there's the wage problem with Wells too. Not sure if we can do a deal that mean they cover percentage of wages. Not sure what he's on but probably 30k or so a week? Complete guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Hare Island said: Absolute joke this release clause. Ashton to blame. Yeah. Nothing to stop the Blue Few taking him off our hands is there! Not sure why you consider the release clause a joke however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’ll eat my hat if that happens. Caveat: my hat is made of rice paper Or maybe 7 million plus Wells on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I wouldn't sell him this window. I hope if we do, we wait until we have a quality replacement in first. Recalling Morrell or Walsh wont be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Brownhill out Wells in Midfield general in = top six push? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Yep. I guess there's the wage problem with Wells too. Not sure if we can do a deal that mean they cover percentage of wages. Not sure what he's on but probably 30k or so a week? Complete guess. This suggests 25k a week. https://www.spotrac.com/epl/burnley-f.c/payroll/ So would be (I guess) one of our higher earners. But if they are trimming the squad and expect players like HNM and TM to feature more next season, and possibly see some of the young loanees play a more prominent role as well, it could be sensible overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, Riaz said: Bristol Post reporting that Josh has a 7m release clause in his conract, that comes into effect this summer. Dont be surprised, to see him go in the next week or 2 for 8-10m. Oh No! Oh My God NO!!! Watch this space now then .... Stand by for a revenge move by The Gas in retaliation for our devastating Matty Taylor raid on them in similar circumstances.. We've been warned that they're 'coming for us' ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Carey 6 said: I wouldn't sell him this window. I hope if we do, we wait until we have a quality replacement in first. Recalling Morrell or Walsh wont be good enough. They're both doing very well in league one. We also have Korey, Nagy and Massengo. Last 2 just need consistency. Protecting korey too, rotating those 3 with Morrell or Walsh. I think that could work well. Brownhill is poor at the moment. And it seems to happen so often when a player is linked with a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'm not holding my breath over this deal. It may be attractive to both Burnley and City but is far from a done deal bQPR may throw their hat in the ring for Wells and his preference may be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Yeah. Nothing to stop the Blue Few taking him off our hands is there! Not sure why you consider the release clause a joke however. That’s a good point. I for one hope that if Burnley pay £7m and no more because of a publicly known release clause that we slate them in public, come to a “gentleman’s agreement” not to trade with them again and abuse Josh to the extent he has to move house, taunting him as “snake” for wanting to better himself. Its the only appropriate action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: I'm not holding my breath over this deal. It may be attractive to both Burnley and City but is far from a done deal bQPR may throw their hat in the ring for Wells and his preference may be there. Indeed. The issue for me, is would he want to come here. Thing is with QPR, they dont have a player burnley wants.... or about 12m to spend....we do. We may be his only option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Lancashire post saying that they may wait and deal in the summer https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/transfer-news/burnley-transfer-news-brownhill-wells-17604920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, JonDolman said: They're both doing very well in league one. We also have Korey, Nagy and Massengo. Last 2 just need consistency. Protecting korey too, rotating those 3 with Morrell or Walsh. I think that could work well. Brownhill is poor at the moment. And it seems to happen so often when a player is linked with a move. Morrell isn't really like for like with Brownhill anyway, would need to be Walsh if one was to be recalled. Johnson came out recently and said in certain formations you end up having Brownhill picking up someone who's 6ft + on corners, if he was to go & it was Walsh we'd struggle even more in these situations. Vaulks makes sense to me as a replacement. Just found out Joe Morrell is 6'1. - Is that Frank Fielding measurements they're using there? I always thought of him being about 5'6/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Would you pay £7 million for Josh brownhill on this season's form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Morrell isn't really like for like with Brownhill anyway, would need to be Walsh if one was to be recalled. Johnson came out recently and said in certain formations you end up having Brownhill picking up someone who's 6ft + on corners, if he was to go we'd struggle even more in these situations. Vaulks makes sense to me as a replacement. Vaulks is very good in the air, but he is probably worse than Morrell if Morrell is ahead of him in Wales side. We can have tall players in other positions that can defend corners, it doesn't have to be a midfielder. I'd be disappointed if LJ is bringing in midfielders to defend corners. That is a bonus, but shouldn't be a deciding factor in picking someone in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: That’s a good point. I for one hope that if Burnley pay £7m and no more because of a publicly known release clause that we slate them in public, come to a “gentleman’s agreement” not to trade with them again and abuse Josh to the extent he has to move house, taunting him as “snake” for wanting to better himself. Its the only appropriate action. I'm going to preempt this frankly devious behaviour BEFORE anything is done and any players are traded. I'm going to Sainsbury's on my way home from work where I'll pick something up, and then put it back again - but to show everyone that I mean business - I'll not leave the label on the product obvious to those standing in front of it. That'll show 'em. I'll be just like one of those braver Fewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Vaulks is very good in the air, but he is probably worse than Morrell if Morrell is ahead of him in Wales side. We can have tall players in other positions that can defend corners, it doesn't have to be a midfielder. I'd be disappointed if LJ is bringing in midfielders to defend corners. That is a bonus, but shouldn't be a deciding factor in picking someone in the side. Aye I know, but the make-up of our squad, you struggle once you get past the CB's and Fam to have a 4th marker. If Pereira/Watkins plays then you do, if not then you're struggling Also, not suggesting Vaulks comes in purely to defend corners haha, he's the same height as Brownhill, he just has an eye for goal and can be creative as well as his time at Rotherham in this division proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Carey 6 said: Aye I know, but the make-up of our squad, you struggle once you get past the CB's and Fam to have a 4th marker. If Pereira/Watkins plays then you do, if not then you're struggling Also, not suggesting Vaulks comes in purely to defend corners haha, he's the same height as Brownhill, he just has an eye for goal and can be creative as well as his time at Rotherham in this division proved. I was never that impressed with him in midfield to be honest. But was very impressed with him at centre back. He says he likes playing there, but not right back so much as he lacks pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, ITK..... said: Would you pay £7 million for Josh brownhill on this season's form? Yes. There been some downturn in form recent, in common with most of the squad, but if you want a young box to box midfielder to play in the Premier league, not to go in the development squad, and who has shown captaincy potential then around £7M is going to be the going rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Riaz said: Indeed. The issue for me, is would he want to come here. Thing is with QPR, they dont have a player burnley wants.... or about 12m to spend....we do. We may be his only option Are you saying we have £12m to spend? Interested in how you reached this figure. Ignore me if that’s not what you meant. 21 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Morrell isn't really like for like with Brownhill anyway, would need to be Walsh if one was to be recalled. Johnson came out recently and said in certain formations you end up having Brownhill picking up someone who's 6ft + on corners, if he was to go & it was Walsh we'd struggle even more in these situations. Vaulks makes sense to me as a replacement. Just found out Joe Morrell is 6'1. - Is that Frank Fielding measurements they're using there? I always thought of him being about 5'6/7. Walsh has already had agreement with Coventry that he’s staying for rest of season. Recall agreed not be activated. 15 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Vaulks is very good in the air, but he is probably worse than Morrell if Morrell is ahead of him in Wales side. We can have tall players in other positions that can defend corners, it doesn't have to be a midfielder. I'd be disappointed if LJ is bringing in midfielders to defend corners. That is a bonus, but shouldn't be a deciding factor in picking someone in the side. With that logic Morrell who I like is better than Ramsey or Ampadu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Davefevs said: Are you saying we have £12m to spend? Interested in how you reached this figure. Ignore me if that’s not what you meant. Walsh has already had agreement with Coventry that he’s staying for rest of season. Recall agreed not be activated. With that logic Morrell who I like is better than Ramsey or Ampadu? I'm not sure Ampadu is even that good is he? Played centre back I think more for Chelsea in European games they were expected to win comfortably. Ramsey is not really a player that plays in a 2, he is much more effective with freedom to roam. And I think had just come back from injury. Vaulks and Morrell are the exact same position I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Are you saying we have £12m to spend? Interested in how you reached this figure. Ignore me if that’s not what you meant. We have the means to get Wells is basically what i'm saying. The fact we have a player they want. Pretty sure QPR are skint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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