chinapig Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Fuber said: Watford are a merry-go-round for managers and have been for years. They are, which may have been why he turned them down. Nevertheless, it has been reported that he believes he can get a PL job in due course. He can afford to bide his time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, J-mat said: We are literally just outside the playoffs in the most competitive division in the world. **** me sideways. Wake up J. We're playing the worst football we have played under Lee and he's spent £40m on his squad. Korey is literally the last Cotts player left, and he was the best of a shit bunch in that midfield today. Our improvement under LJ is almost directly resultant of increased spending. I bet with Williams and our bloated squad we'll be lucky to not bust the £25m mark in wages this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 For those who watched this and talked with Sheff Wed fans after the gmae, very little, if anything between the two sides. One widely tipped for Top 6,the other subjected to ridiculous comments on here by numpties who dont go to games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Lez said: Majority have been duff signings.....hegeler djuric Matthew's engvall eisa Taylor odowda oneil Wright pisano Magnússon lucic ekstrand adelukaan Walsh Watkins. Useless. Brownhill, Tammy, Kalas, Webster, Bentley, Dasilva, Hunt, Massengo, Nagy, Afobe, Eliasson, Baker, Dhiedhou, Williams, Weimann, Maenpaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 LJ has been successful but like many managers a few seasons in, things get stale and it’s hard to get the players motivated. Time to say thanks very much Lee and see whether someone like Tim Sherwood can get more out of an undoubtedly talented squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRA Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, J-mat said: No, this isn't criticism. There's no analysis of the performance, no understanding of why we lost, no considering all factors. It's just nasty and pathetic individuals who can barely spell, let alone understand the game, slagging off the manager they never wanted and never liked. Christ people are saying get Hughton and Karanka but in the same breath moaning about the quality of "entertainment". That demonstrates completely that these people don't have a ******* clue what they're talking about. Honestly, would rather they just ****** off. Their toxicity has been a major problem for the club and it's players for decades. Disgraceful. Tbf Hughton had Brighton playing really good football in the champ, just reverted to defensive football to survive the prem. Agree on Karanka though. I would also add there are a number of posters on here who are very knowledgeable about football that are getting tired of Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, RedSA said: Tbf Hughton had Brighton playing really good football in the champ, just reverted to defensive football to survive the prem. Agree on Karanka though. I would also add there are a number of posters on here who are very knowledgeable about football that are getting tired of Johnson. To question what Chris Hughton has over LJ (at this moment in time) is laughable. How about, i've got the Tshirt.. i've been there and won things, for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, stephenkibby. said: My you seem a delightful chap. It’s ok, the moderators have given them an early Christmas holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, J-mat said: We are literally just outside the playoffs in the most competitive division in the world. **** me sideways. We’re also just outside 14th place. Can I have the invite for a pint too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Redandproud said: I think Johnson has taken us as far as he can, same as last 3 years, in top 6 then drop away, time for a change I think In all honesty, this narrative is only partially correct- timeframes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: We’re also just outside 14th place. Can I have the invite for a pint too? Unlikely to get a reply. Ask Dolly why.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: In all honesty, this narrative is only partially correct- timeframes etc. Why only partially correct, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen humphries Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: We’re also just outside 14th place. Can I have the invite for a pint too? He won’t reply fordy, he gave it the big un , then went very quiet when I offered to oblige him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, AppyDAZE said: Unlikely to get a reply. Ask Dolly why.. Ahhh yes. I’ve seen! Well deserved I’d say. The meet me at the pub for a pint posts are always my favourite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, J-mat said: No, this isn't criticism. There's no analysis of the performance, no understanding of why we lost, no considering all factors. It's just nasty and pathetic individuals who can barely spell, let alone understand the game, slagging off the manager they never wanted and never liked. Christ people are saying get Hughton and Karanka but in the same breath moaning about the quality of "entertainment". That demonstrates completely that these people don't have a ******* clue what they're talking about. Honestly, would rather they just ****** off. Their toxicity has been a major problem for the club and it's players for decades. Disgraceful. That should be 'its players' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I think we have definitely hit a crossroads. The board have to sit down and seriously ask themselves do they want promotion.. i really don’t think LJ will ever get us out of this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 punk Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 i agree i think if we fail to make the play offs this season i get the feeling that johnson will go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Redandproud said: Why only partially correct, Maybe I'm wrong then. Criss purposes. This time last year though, we were somewhere in midtable- wasn't until the 2nd half of the season that we steadily kicked into playoff chasing form. Was a bit of a rollercoaster though but after 23 games in 2018/19, well I'll look at the table now. We had 31 points and were 7 off the top 6- going nowhere fast! Yet on a bit of a mini revival all the same, a slow one though. Didn't get any better after the draw with Brentford but crucially we kept a slow unbeaten run, a bit of a platform going. Two seasons ago was a one, the one for me. We should have finished top 6- worth looking at the table on Boxing Day and again after the 2-1 loss to Wolves and extrapolating what it was at 1-0...we well and truly blew top 6 that year! Three seasons ago, we were worse off than last year- the rot had set in and LJ was in the middle of what was to be his- and our- record losing streak, in the League at least- we were losing, narrowly but losing all the same. So if you meant the past 3 seasons, each had a different narrative- if you meant the past 3 including this one ie the Cup run season to this, they aren't wildly similar or identical. This was the table at this stage last season. Quote As It Stood Team P GD Pts 1 Leeds 23 19 48 2 Norwich 23 15 47 3 West Brom 23 19 42 4 Middlesbrough 23 9 39 5 Derby 23 7 39 6 Sheff Utd 23 9 38 7 Nottm Forest 23 9 35 8 Birmingham 23 8 34 9 Stoke 23 3 34 10 QPR 23 -4 34 11 Aston Villa 23 8 33 12 Swansea 23 2 32 13 Bristol City 23 1 31 14 Blackburn 23 -5 31 15 Preston 23 -3 28 16 Hull 23 -6 27 17 Sheff Wed 23 -11 27 18 Brentford 23 0 25 19 Wigan 23 -10 25 20 Rotherham 23 -15 22 21 Reading 23 -9 19 22 Millwall 23 -11 19 23 Bolton 23 -16 18 24 Ipswich 23 -19 15 View full Championship table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Mattyisared said: Only because of our outstandingly horrific run of form after we beat United 2 seasons ago, we should have definitely made at least playoffs that year. Playoffs certainly, top 2, dunno. Definitely playoffs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 21 minutes ago, bris red said: I think we have definitely hit a crossroads. The board have to sit down and seriously ask themselves do they want promotion.. i really don’t think LJ will ever get us out of this division. I totally agree with you, he's not the man to do it, not enough experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 hours ago, J-mat said: It's just nasty and pathetic individuals who can barely spell, let alone understand the game, slagging off the manager they never wanted and never liked. Their toxicity has been a major problem for the club and it’s players for decades. Ok, so you pick up people on their spelling whilst calling them ‘nasty and pathetic’ .... in your last line above it should be ‘its’ in that context - grammar is equally as important as spelling - bet you blame ‘predictive text’ yet mine doesn’t change ‘its’ to ‘it’s’ .... Anyway, you seem rather angry tonight, I’ve seen you offering to fight people on here, presumably because they disagree with you - it’s just a game, not that important ... sorry to have disturbed ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: Brownhill, Tammy, Kalas, Webster, Bentley, Dasilva, Hunt, Massengo, Nagy, Afobe, Eliasson, Baker, Dhiedhou, Williams, Weimann, Maenpaa. Don't even think all of those Lez listed were all that bad either. Where would you stuck Pisano- middling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Fuber said: I bet with Williams and our bloated squad we'll be lucky to not bust the £25m mark in wages this season. Dunno how we want to measure it but purely taking BCFC Holdings total, it was up around that two seasons ago! Last season, again using the most accessible figure (in both cases gross, including pension, social security, maybe others etc)? Listed as around £30.54m. May well be up and beyond that already basically! Would have to look in depth at how club wage bills etc stated and measured, it might give clearer figures still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Don't even think all of those Lez listed were all that bad either. Where would you stuck Pisano- middling? Yes. Pisano wasn’t a disastrous signing by any stretch. I’ve been critical of LJ this weekend but the recruitment argument isn’t a strong one against him. Recruitment is hit and miss at all clubs - especially those where the budget doesn’t enable you to always buy proven talent or cherry pick the best youngsters. We have to take chances sometimes. At the end of the day, the players LJ has purchased overall have ultimately improved the club and taken us up the league table - and in some cases had huge resale value to enable us to balance the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Yes. Pisano wasn’t a disastrous signing by any stretch. I’ve been critical of LJ this weekend but the recruitment argument isn’t a strong one against him. Recruitment is hit and miss at all clubs - especially those where the budget doesn’t enable you to always buy proven talent or cherry pick the best youngsters. We have to take chances sometimes. At the end of the day, the players LJ has purchased overall have ultimately improved the club and taken us up the league table - and in some cases had huge resale value to enable us to balance the books. We have a very good squad of players. It's the tactical decisions he is getting wrong imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 20 hours ago, Hampshire Red said: For those who watched this and talked with Sheff Wed fans after the gmae, very little, if anything between the two sides. One widely tipped for Top 6,the other subjected to ridiculous comments on here by numpties who dont go to games. Yes, they were poor yesterday, we were awful though. Did I have to travel to Sheffield yesterday to have the right to give my opinion?? Or, does travelling all over the country watching City for over 40 years not make me as qualified as you? When I see a City side devoid of ideas, skill, shape, desire ,and not able to retain the ball for more than 3-4 passes, I will voice my opinion and also put it on here. So get off your high horse super fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 It does make me laugh how you can only be one of two different fans on this forum. 1. Johnson in. Automatically makes you a happy clapper with rose tinted glasses, happy with mediocrity and if you far remember toon progress year on year that doesn’t seem to be a positive anymore. 2. Johnson out. Automatically makes you angry at Johnson, S.L., Ashton, etc demanding any manager under the sun who has managed a team that has once been in the top two of championship even if you just an afternoon will do better. Cant we all just get along at Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Dunno how we want to measure it but purely taking BCFC Holdings total, it was up around that two seasons ago! Last season, again using the most accessible figure (in both cases gross, including pension, social security, maybe others etc)? Listed as around £30.54m. May well be up and beyond that already basically! Would have to look in depth at how club wage bills etc stated and measured, it might give clearer figures still. If £30m in wages buys you the level of ineptitude our players manage at times, they must be laughing all the way to the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: If £30m in wages buys you the level of ineptitude our players manage at times, they must be laughing all the way to the bank. Welcome to modern football! De Gea's error yesterday...his purported salary is over half our entire possible wage bill (based on those figures). I've said it before and I'll say it again...if you are a player, £10-20k a week, nice city, good facilities- just before Christmas. How guaranteed is it that said player will bust a gut? Not just a City problem btw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 22/12/2019 at 14:18, wendyredredrobin said: Maybe a foreign magager with some tactical nous this time. Benny Lennartsson ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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