Curr Avon Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 Will Santa give LJ the gift of inspiration this Christmas? The one that our Gaffer appears to have lost following three sorry performances. Just two weeks ago City were outplaying arguably the Championship's best footballing side in Fulham, on their own patch. Our second goal, a sweeping move from left to right was a thing of beauty, with passing and movement worthy of Manchester City. They say that form is temporary, but class is permanent. I believe that our players possess the qualities to still mount a play-off challenge. But can LJ get his mojo back? Over to you Santa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 Nail a system, play the players that fit it, and select them based on performance not “trust” (favouritism). Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks' Barmy Army Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: Just two weeks ago City were outplaying arguably the Championship's best footballing side in Fulham, on their own patch. Do you honestly think we outplayed Fulham? I know people see games differently but come on! PS Judging by some of your recent topics I really hope that you get something from santa to occupy your spare time a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted December 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said: Do you honestly think we outplayed Fulham? I know people see games differently but come on! PS Judging by some of your recent topics I really hope that you get something from santa to occupy your spare time a bit more Fair point ADBA! I'm going to take this bit of spare time to wish you and your family a very happy Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 Get the players in for extra training on Christmas Day and keep them off the turkey and stuffing. We always play shite on Boxing Day. I also think the players contracts need to be more peeformance based. They are paid way too much for losing. Losing doesn't seem to hurt enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 59 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: I also think the players contracts need to be more peeformance based. Does that mean their pay is related to how quickly they get in and out of the gents and/or how accurate they are in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highguy Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, wendyredredrobin said: Get the players in for extra training on Christmas Day and keep them off the turkey and stuffing. We always play shite on Boxing Day. I also think the players contracts need to be more peeformance based. They are paid way too much for losing. Losing doesn't seem to hurt enough. Paid to much to lose? If your boss was to offer you £15000+ a week to do your job would you say turn it down? most footballers get a 10 year career so they have to make as much money as they can in that time just like the rest of us do Plus being heartless and making players miss xmas with kids and families is going keep them on your side aint it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, italian dave said: Does that mean their pay is related to how quickly they get in and out of the gents and/or how accurate they are in there? Haha. Slip of the finger there. Not to suggest they have been performing piss poorly mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Highguy said: Paid to much to lose? If your boss was to offer you £15000+ a week to do your job would you say turn it down? most footballers get a 10 year career so they have to make as much money as they can in that time just like the rest of us do Plus being heartless and making players miss xmas with kids and families is going keep them on your side aint it 15k to win a football match seems fair enough, but being paid 45k to lose 3 games on the trot whilst hardly having a shot on target doesn't seem right to me. Losing has to hurt more with extra training, less time off and less money. Of course, this can be balanced out when they perform and win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said: PS Judging by some of your recent topics I really hope that you get something from santa to occupy your spare time a bit more Harsh - Curr's on a roll with his Xmas threads imo - and don't forget he has the ear of LJ every 2 years too! Among the fairly depressing threads on OTIB atm. I for one am enjoying the odd quirky one from Curr - reckon he's stuck up in Sheffield and he'll be a lot less active on here when he gets back. Keep 'em coming Curr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Curr Avon said: Will Santa give LJ the gift of inspiration this Christmas? The one that our Gaffer appears to have lost following three sorry performances. Just two weeks ago City were outplaying arguably the Championship's best footballing side in Fulham, on their own patch. Our second goal, a sweeping move from left to right was a thing of beauty, with passing and movement worthy of Manchester City. They say that form is temporary, but class is permanent. I believe that our players possess the qualities to still mount a play-off challenge. But can LJ get his mojo back? Over to you Santa. Outplaying Fulham you sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, wendyredredrobin said: Get the players in for extra training on Christmas Day and keep them off the turkey and stuffing. We always play shite on Boxing Day. I also think the players contracts need to be more peeformance based. They are paid way too much for losing. Losing doesn't seem to hurt enough. I remember Brian Clough saying something like “pay players £1,000 a week with a £50,000 win bonus, not the other way round, then you’d see more of ‘em running themselves into the ground...” - I tend to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted December 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I remember Brian Clough saying something like “pay players £1,000 a week with a £50,000 win bonus, not the other way round, then you’d see more of ‘em running themselves into the ground...” - I tend to agree Upon his retirement from management in 1993, the notoriously colourful Brian Clough remarked: “The only agent in the ‘60s was 007, and he just shagged women, not entire football clubs”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 I've been (probably a bit too) critical in recent weeks, but you can't take away the Fulham win. We did play well that day for a long period, and I did feel we deserved all 3 pts. Hoping we can get back a little more of our spirit and togetherness and move on again. Merry Christmas, LJ and all the boys at BCFC Good luck at Charlton and C O Y R ! Merry Christmas, OTIBers too All the best to everyone & enjoy your Christmases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: I've been (probably a bit too) critical in recent weeks, but you can't take away the Fulham win. We did play well that day for a long period, and I did feel we deserved all 3 pts. Hoping we can get back a little more of our spirit and togetherness and move on again. Merry Christmas, LJ and all the boys at BCFC Good luck at Charlton and C O Y R ! Merry Christmas, OTIBers too All the best to everyone & enjoy your Christmases. I also think we were rather unlucky v Wednesday, a scoreless draw , the match is forgotten and we move onto Charlton with hope in our hearts . The ref won the game for the Yorkshiremen. Still three points in the next match and Christmas cheer will endure. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted December 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: I also think we were rather unlucky v Wednesday, a scoreless draw , the match is forgotten and we move onto Charlton with hope in our hearts . The ref won the game for the Yorkshiremen. Still three points in the next match and Christmas cheer will endure. COYR Amen to that Major. Sunday was weird. I came away from Hillsborough feeling circumspect about the result. I'd usually be pissed off after such a poor display, but I wasn't bothered. Life's too short to get angry at football results. God, I'm getting old Merry Christmas to you all and here's to an upturn, starting at The Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, AppyDAZE said: I've been (probably a bit too) critical in recent weeks, but you can't take away the Fulham win. We did play well that day for a long period, and I did feel we deserved all 3 pts. Hoping we can get back a little more of our spirit and togetherness and move on again. Merry Christmas, LJ and all the boys at BCFC Good luck at Charlton and C O Y R ! Merry Christmas, OTIBers too All the best to everyone & enjoy your Christmases. I think there is some truth in what you say @Major Isewater Trouble is, I'm not a very rational bloke after City lose 3 games in a row :laugh: Merry Xmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: I also think we were rather unlucky v Wednesday, a scoreless draw , the match is forgotten and we move onto Charlton with hope in our hearts . The ref won the game for the Yorkshiremen. Still three points in the next match and Christmas cheer will endure. COYR see above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 Let’s hope for Ding Dong merry Lee on high on Boxing Day . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted December 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Let’s hope for Ding Dong merry Lee on high on Boxing Day . And Kalas is ex-Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I remember Brian Clough saying something like “pay players £1,000 a week with a £50,000 win bonus, not the other way round, then you’d see more of ‘em running themselves into the ground...” - I tend to agree Love this! Imagine if this was the be the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Love this! Imagine if this was the be the case... You`d have Wally running on to the pitch every week to prevent the s*gs getting a 90th minute winner though...……...……... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highguy Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: 15k to win a football match seems fair enough, but being paid 45k to lose 3 games on the trot whilst hardly having a shot on target doesn't seem right to me. Losing has to hurt more with extra training, less time off and less money. Of course, this can be balanced out when they perform and win games. So what about if you was having at work and your boss says im not happy with how your performing you have to work christmas day also im not paying you your wages how are you going react? You still going want to keep working there? What the players earn is none of our buisness its lansdown paying them not us Problem is with the management and not playing to our better players strengths not how much the players earn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: I also think the players contracts need to be more peeformance based. They are paid way too much for losing. Losing doesn't seem to hurt enough. Modern game, ain't happening. Fair though it may be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: Get the players in for extra training on Christmas Day and keep them off the turkey and stuffing. We always play shite on Boxing Day. I also think the players contracts need to be more peeformance based. They are paid way too much for losing. Losing doesn't seem to hurt enough. This is a nonsense theory else no team would ever worry about winning? Money probably has little to do with performance quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, MarcusX said: This is a nonsense theory else no team would ever worry about winning? Money probably has little to do with performance quality I bet if you only got paid when you performed, you would perform better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: Love this! Imagine if this was the be the case... Cloughie was a legendary manager - the quote was in his autobiography I think - it would certainly wake up a few prima donnas if it were true .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Cloughie was a legendary manager - the quote was in his autobiography I think - it would certainly wake up a few prima donnas if it were true .... PFA, Agents, supply and demand to name 3 Ain't happening, for better or worse. Most that can be done to grossly contradict player power is to drop, stick in the reserves, freeze out. Player is getting paid well anyway, in a sense what do they care. How successful would Clough etc be with modern player power? Even were he starting out or not so established, Ferguson. Roy Keane got stuck into players didn't he, didn't do him a lot of good in the end at Sunderland or mostly at Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said: I bet if you only got paid when you performed, you would perform better Not necessarily, you’d find out that your boss moves the goalposts and it all gets subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Not necessarily, you’d find out that your boss moves the goalposts and it all gets subjective. Yeah, I've had some of that Dave. But there is nothing subjective about the difference between 3 points and 0 points. Lose and they should get a hard time balanced with incentives for winning and neutral for draws. And no getting out of it by saying we played well but still lost because you sometimes play poorly when you win too. 3 losses on the bounce from that team should equal a hard time for the players, I think. In saying that, the stick should always be balanced with a few carrots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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