Robbored Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: What’s the definition of “sick note”? Missing games or coming off during games? Both. The guy never seemed able to play a consecutive number of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Red = starts Yellow = subs Grey = unused subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Colemanballs said: I'm not going to get involved in the 'is Baker a sick-note or not' debate, and whilst I recognise that he's a good defender, I'm unconvinced that he's comfortable enough on the ball to play the way Holden seems to want to play. He can but how regular we see it is the issue, Forest away he showed he could be a perfect defender for the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 15 hours ago, Robbored said: I haven’t seen an injury update on either of them. Admittedly a bit of speculation but it's safe to say Kalas probably won't be back Sunday! Dasilva seeing a specialist and could be related to last seasons injury 15 hours ago, phantom said: Do you think he's the only player that does this? The number of times he's come off in the first half of a game must be up there with the worst record in professional football You make it sound like it happens every game. It's well documented that its a handful of times. "worst record in professional football" is pure hyperbole. Only way you can judge is on availability and he's rarely unavailable (current longer term issue aside) 15 hours ago, Andy082005 said: You are having a laugh? Bloke spends more time on the treatment table then I spend in my own bed Obviously, he does not. 15 hours ago, elhombrecito said: Still doesn't explain anything. An injury is an injury. Why does one long term injury make somebody less of a 'sicknote' than somebody with lots of minor injuries? Unless you're saying he's been faking his injuries, which seems like a very bold statement? Well this is the same guy who despite his apparent history of working in mental health, did continously attack Baker saying it was all in his head. 14 hours ago, Robbored said: Baker gets lots of niggling injuries that led to him having to go off early. He’d miss a game and be back for the next before going off injured again - a real sick note. Well put! How many games has he missed? I'll give you some help, I've posted about it several times! I'd be more concerned about yourself, posting that you couldn't remember the last time he'd played a full 90 just a few days after completing he'd completed several 90 minutes in a row Shouldn't get dragged into this each time Baker's picked up a few injuries (concussion twice) that have led him to go off on a handful of occasions. Always been available again the next game. 3rd highest appearences last season behind Bentley and Weimann. This latest one is unfortunate but its his first prolonged absence in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Robbored said: Both. The guy never seemed able to play a consecutive number of games. Total nonsense, see below. 11 hours ago, Davefevs said: Red = starts Yellow = subs Grey = unused subs Thanks @Davefevs p.s. the games 24-27 I'm fairly sure he was dropped rather than unavailable (i looked it up last time this came up but cba to do so again) Which would mean he was actually physically available for every game last season? All I'm saying is NB deserves more respect than to be labelled a sick note, and abused for his injury record. He's been a very good servant for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, MarcusX said: All I'm saying is NB deserves more respect than to be labelled a sick note, and abused for his injury record. He's been a very good servant for us Absolutely he has - when he’s played. No one is questioning his ability. Many of his injuries are down to him. He is often reckless by putting his head in where it hurts but it is frustrating when he has to come off. He was the same at Villa and they were just as frustrated as LJ was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 Jesus, even when the stats are presented some of you still bang on. For a physical defender his injuries are about par. For the 2 seasons he has played regularly for us (last year and 17/18) he played 34 games in the championship season. 74%. 18/19 Webster took his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks' Barmy Army Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, MarcusX said: All I'm saying is NB deserves more respect than to be labelled a sick note, and abused for his injury record. He's been a very good servant for us Don't be dramatic, nobody is "abusing" him. Pathetic over-reaction 1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said: Jesus, even when the stats are presented some of you still bang on. For a physical defender his injuries are about par. For the 2 seasons he has played regularly for us (last year and 17/18) he played 34 games in the championship season. 74%. 18/19 Webster took his place. Exactly, the stats show that his record for coming off injured is the worst record at our club for decades All this nonsense about he goes in harder, or in areas others don't is completely laughable You may want to look back into the deeper issues surrounding Baker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 16 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said: Thats getting on for 10 of his starts where he has gone off injured in the first half then? Quite a high percentage if you ask me It’s got to the point when I see Baker receiving treatment I automatically look to the bench to see who is coming on, and it’s often in the first half. This of course limits how we can affect the rest of the match which is a nigh negative. And I agree he isn’t the quick thinking,ball playing player Holden might be looking to. Plus point if Kalas and others are injured is that the transfer window is still open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Johnson gave it away in one post match interview that he doesn't know why he keeps coming off injured. He said we will have to look at that. Defenders get knocks all the time. It seems to me he walks off when he gets one, but Kalas, Wright etc would carry on if possible. I think Baker is not even that injury prone. Just doesn't like to continue when he gets a knock. Bentley has this trait too. I think it’s psychological more than purely physical sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 hours ago, JonDolman said: Johnson gave it away in one post match interview that he doesn't know why he keeps coming off injured. He said we will have to look at that. Defenders get knocks all the time. It seems to me he walks off when he gets one, but Kalas, Wright etc would carry on if possible. I think Baker is not even that injury prone. Just doesn't like to continue when he gets a knock. Of course this current injury is a proper injury. Obviously nothing wrong with being injured for real. As a player I'd let go for sure. I was saying I'd like to sell for a long time. What we saw the other night is what ball playing defenders can bring. Its likely now we will let him go at the end of the season and we might then need to bring in 2 centre backs with Mawson going back to Fulham. That's a very long way off though. Just using your post as something to anchor off. When Baker first came here on loan and back again permanently, I reckoned I could tell when he was gonna have a shocker by the way he warmed up. He’d look like he was spaced out completely. I’ve not seen that in him for 18 months. What we will never know is what level of fitness Baker goes into a game at. That’s both physically and mentally. Nor will we know whether LJ ever asked him to play when he wasn’t right physically or mentally. It’s not unreasonable for LJ to have been a bit disingenuous either. Was he right to go public re O’Dowda or Baker....no imho. Some players play through pain, others don’t. I did - foolishly as it turns out, as I had to stop at 31 and my knees are absolutely knackered now. My CB partner would never play if not 100%, in fact he could diagnose how many weeks he’d be out too....which always made me laugh. Each player is different. If we look at Baker’s recent in-game withdrawals. Villa (friendly)....none of us saw it, so difficult to pass comment Hull (home)....big clash of heads Fulham (home)....battered by Kamara, who was late and could’ve seen red. One final point - do we ever criticise players who get injured in training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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