BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, CodeRed said: What has 1982 got to do with Lansdown, Ashton, or the issues we face today. Grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BigTone said: Who do you think picks the team ? Who hired the bloke who picks the team? The best candidate out there apparently to manage a championship football team with aspirations to get to the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rob k said: Looks bang on to me Words fail me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, BigTone said: Exactly. How we all yearn for a return to the heady days of 1982. Good times back then weren't they. Some of the games were more exciting in 1982 :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Rob k said: Who hired the bloke who picks the team? The best candidate out there apparently to manage a championship football team with aspirations to get to the PL You really don't get it do you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, CodeRed said: What has 1982 got to do with Lansdown, Ashton, or the issues we face today. Exactly. I was around then. It happened. It was horrible. But some people need to get over it and stop using that and the fact that certain people have done a lot of good for the club to give license to said people having a detrimental effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, AshtonGreat said: Some of the games were more exciting in 1982 No doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Chaps, this is all a bit odd here. We were told that top 6 was the objective. How close are we to that being gone, and what next, and from who? Those are the questions surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, BigTone said: You really don't get it do you There’s only one person who literally has no idea how their football club is run and it’s certainly not me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, BigTone said: Who do you think picks the team ? In all honesty, and with substantial inside information? The manager, with significant input from the Lansdown family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: In all honesty, and with substantial inside information? The manager, with significant input from the Lansdown family. Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, CodeRed said: What has 1982 got to do with Lansdown, Ashton, or the issues we face today. Ironically, the few years after 82 were some of my favourite times following City. The fan base was as one, and the players ran through brick walls for the club. We were as one back then, nowadays I feel zero affinity towards any of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: In all honesty, and with substantial inside information? The manager, with significant input from the Lansdown family. 2 minutes ago, CodeRed said: Which one? All eleven of them I would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rob k said: There’s only one person who literally has no idea how their football club is run and it’s certainly not me!! Good luck Junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: In all honesty, and with substantial inside information? The manager, with significant input from the Lansdown family. With all due respect I doubt that very much. Interesting that you follow "substantial inside information" with a question mark that indicates otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BigTone said: Good luck Junior, but in the meantime please enlighten us to how it should be run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BigTone said: With all due respect I doubt that very much. It's been going on for at least 10 years, so prepared to be surprised I guess. Given your line of work, and where you've worked, I'm surprised you're surprised tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: It's been going on for at least 10 years, so prepared to be surprised I guess. Given your line of work, and where you've worked, I'm surprised you're surprised tbh. aren't you the poster who said the Hughton deal was done.....insider info my arse just another chancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: It's been going on for at least 10 years, so prepared to be surprised I guess. Given your line of work, and where you've worked, I'm surprised you're surprised tbh. Maybe so but everything needs to be backed up with solid evidence and fact rather than conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1970 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: I blame the owner personally Quite right, the problem is at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 I hope the clubs employees are clearer on accountability than we are. Many an organisation has failed on lack of accountability. If we do go into free fall, I don't want to see Lansdown(s), Ashton and Holden pointing at each other and saying "I thought you were checking the parachutes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, CodeRed said: I' m interested in people's views - I've stated mine. If you don't have a view or don't wish to comment . Don't. I don't think Holden is the problem. iF you are not aware that Holden is at least part of the problems we are facing, then i am of the opinion that you are deluding yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, BigTone said: Maybe so but everything needs to be backed up with solid evidence and fact rather than conjecture. What exactly are you expecting ? A full blown confession by Steve L ? Everyone who leaves has a pay off clause. Nothing sinister there, it is common in every exit situation. But you cannot expect solid evidence. There is nothing illegal here. It is just gross indulgence and incompetence with a veiled threat of pulling the plug. Holden and Lj should never have been employed, but the real farce is Ashton. The funding is fine, the deployment pathetic ., amateur and self indulgent. None of which would require a legal challenge and that is why you will have to accept that some people will put the elements together based on fact, experience, conjecture and analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1970 Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: Some of the games were more exciting in 1982 At least those players in 82 had fire in their belly and gave everything for the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: aren't you the poster who said the Hughton deal was done.....insider info my arse just another chancer. Yes, it was very close to being done. I notice you haven't included all the other things I got right from Kodjia to Diedhiou to Pisano to Nketiah. 9 minutes ago, BigTone said: Maybe so but everything needs to be backed up with solid evidence and fact rather than conjecture. Well, my evidence is first-hand. What do you want, pics? If anyone seriously thinks Jon or Mark Ashton pulls rank over the guy that owns the club then they are completely and utterly deluded. If you think interference in first team affairs by the Lansdown family is bad, then I've got even worse news for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: In all honesty, and with substantial inside information? The manager, with significant input from the Lansdown family. Steve L explained in the summer that he believes he can do what he wants as he funds the club. This is of course true. But that does not buy him the right to be excluded from scrutiny or dissent. He cannot buy that even if he thinks he has a divine right to be beyond criticism. He is his own worst enemy. He has funded the club, but has not employed the quality to maximise the return on that investment. Which is a little sad, as he is , and his family is, lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1stknowle Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: In all honesty, and with substantial inside information? The manager, with significant input from the Lansdown family. 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yes, it was very close to being done. I notice you haven't included all the other things I got right from Kodjia to Diedhiou to Pisano to Nketiah. Well, my evidence is first-hand. What do you want, pics? If anyone seriously thinks Jon or Mark Ashton pulls rank over the guy that owns the club then they are completely and utterly deluded. If you think interference in first team affairs by the Lansdown family is bad, then I've got even worse news for you. Your evidence is first hand? You were in the room when Lansdowns were telling the manager who to pick. Err. Lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Psychopomp said: What exactly are you expecting ? A full blown confession by Steve L ? Everyone who leaves has a pay off clause. Nothing sinister there, it is common in every exit situation. But you cannot expect solid evidence. There is nothing illegal here. It is just gross indulgence and incompetence with a veiled threat of pulling the plug. Holden and Lj should never have been employed, but the real farce is Ashton. The funding is fine, the deployment pathetic ., amateur and self indulgent. None of which would require a legal challenge and that is why you will have to accept that some people will put the elements together based on fact, experience, conjecture and analysis. I don't want to defend the bloke but Ashton has hardly been a disaster in terms of the net profit he's brought into the club. And I suppose that's all that bean-counter Lansdown sees. Either way, Lansdown is the common-denominator of 19 years, and counting, of underachievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: I don't want to defend the bloke but Ashton has hardly been a disaster in terms of the net profit he's brought into the club. And I suppose that's all that bean-counter Lansdown sees. Either way, Lansdown is the common-denominator of 19 years, and counting, of underachievement. He is the core of much of the ills. I do not want to list the players, but he is an admin officer not a director of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted December 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, maxjak said: iF you are not aware that Holden is at least part of the problems we are facing, then i am of the opinion that you are deluding yourself Of course I am aware that DH is a very big part of the problem. But you can't blame him for applying, and FWIW I think he's a decent bloke who is working hard and giving his best. But unfortunately he lacks the experience and skills to push the club forward. LJ was sacked for not getting the club into the top 6 after 4 years and the backing of the owner with numerous be signings. DH was chosen by Ashton - we're led to believe- to 'get us over the line' , from several high profile candidates. In my view it was a clear mistake by Ashton to appoint someone with zero management experience and no achievements on his CV - the only reason for the appointment seemingly being that he was prepared to work under Ashton's structure whereby Ashton controls the recruitment, much of which is done through Ashton's preferred agent. But as we all know beggars (Dean) can't be choosers. So although I don't think DH is up to the job - decent guy though he undoubtedly is - I don't blame him....I blame the guy who chose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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