slartibartfast Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Masala said: Thank you Inspector Grimm from The Thin Blue Line. He missed Hoity-toity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, BigTone said: Does he elaborate on social distancing measures taken or do we all just jump to conclusions. The players don’t even socially distance so I’m not sure what Ashton does makes a lot of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Henry said: The players don’t even socially distance so I’m not sure what Ashton does makes a lot of difference. You mean, in general ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, BigTone said: Does he elaborate on social distancing measures taken or do we all just jump to conclusions. How big do you think some of these dressing rooms are Tone? As I said earlier, I don’t care that it’s Ashton, Lansdown, they could have Noel effing Edmunds in there for all I care - the point is, why is a non-playing person in a dressing room - the players can’t even come out of the same bloody tunnel!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: https://www.efl.com/news/2020/december/covid-19-protocols-faqs/ https://www.efl.com/siteassets/image/201920/covid-19-documents/return-to-playing-behind-closed-doors-guidance-final-version-cb.pdf the second one is a better doc as it explains red zone etc. Thanks Dave. So this would suggest that the CEO is NOT allowed in the dressing room (as it’s a red zone) Will be very interesting if we do come under an investigation and it transpires we’ve allowed persons into the red zone who should not be permitted. Flip me!! Are we effing stupid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, S25loyal said: It’s a private test centre, it has nothing to do with the current climate. My point is, at a time when tests are frequent and important it seems strange to close a Lab. Now I get everyone needs a break etc, but surely at the moment when cases are high and your customers (City) need tests & results, you would rotate staff to keep open. I would have thought it more likely that a Private facility would stay open over a Public one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Henry said: The players don’t even socially distance so I’m not sure what Ashton does makes a lot of difference. But you are saying what he does could have made a difference. Make your mind up. However, at the end of the day the game is postponed due to Covid. Live with the fact instead of peddling conspiracy theories. If the dressing room is a red zone then I doubt he did what you say. Maybe Holdens words have been misrepresented. Who knows ? Who cares ? Move on and stop trying to make something out of (undoubtedly) nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, BigTone said: But you are saying what he does could have made a difference. Make your mind up. However, at the end of the day the game is postponed due to Covid. Live with the fact instead of peddling conspiracy theory. Think you’re getting me mixed up with Harry. My main point on the subject is - that since football has restarted, covid measures are becoming more and more tokenistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, Henry said: Think you’re getting me mixed up with Harry. My main point on the subject is - that since football has restarted, covid measures are becoming more and more tokenistic I am and I apologise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I would have thought it more likely that a Private facility would stay open over a Public one. Really!!! Isn't that why A & E is where you would ultimately go as a last resort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Harry said: Thanks Dave. So this would suggest that the CEO is NOT allowed in the dressing room (as it’s a red zone) Will be very interesting if we do come under an investigation and it transpires we’ve allowed persons into the red zone who should not be permitted. Flip me!! Are we effing stupid!!! Seems like it he shouldn't be even mixing if going by Holden's comments Ashton seems to spend a little to much time around the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, Redtucks said: Really!!! Isn't that why A & E is where you would ultimately go as a last resort? Yep, you go to A&E because your NHS places are shut and you DON'T have Private health insurance. Plus A&E is for accidents and Emergency, not for run of the Mill tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, BigTone said: But you are saying what he does could have made a difference. Make your mind up. However, at the end of the day the game is postponed due to Covid. Live with the fact instead of peddling conspiracy theories. If the dressing room is a red zone then I doubt he did what you say. Maybe Holdens words have been misrepresented. Who knows ? Who cares ? Move on and stop trying to make something out of (undoubtedly) nothing. 11 minutes ago, Henry said: Think you’re getting me mixed up with Harry. My main point on the subject is - that since football has restarted, covid measures are becoming more and more tokenistic 10 minutes ago, BigTone said: I am and I apologise Ah right. So the ‘conspiracy nut job’ comments were aimed at me then? Not sure what you want to see Tone? I’ve laid out facts for you. No conspiracy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Yep, you go to A&E because your NHS places are shut and you DON'T have Private health insurance. Plus A&E is for accidents and Emergency, not for run of the Mill tests. .......and when your (private) dentist is closed on Bank Holiday, and you need urgent treatment, you go to the (public) dental hospital. Public health sevices are more likely available than private health sevices on Bank Holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Hard to fully understand what determines where a game is postponed and where a game goes ahead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 hours ago, cityloyal473 said: They were in a mass huddle with Luton prior to that shit show. Could come from anywhere. There's been an an ever observable attitude of malaise by players towards COVID at most games recently, this comes as no surprise. I don't expect professional football to be functioning much longer in the current climate. Season postponed shortly would be my guess. The positive is that we stay in the championship then and potentially don’t get relegated to league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Redtucks said: .......and when your (private) dentist is closed on Bank Holiday, and you need urgent treatment, you go to the (public) dental hospital. Public health sevices are more likely available than private health sevices on Bank Holidays. Actually I had a private dentist and he came out when closed, for emergencies. But back to the point. We are talking about a Private Lab, dealing with Tests during a Pandemic. You can't just nip to A&E, you are using a Lab for all players and staff and playing games every 3 days. Tests I imagine are fairly frequent. As I say, I'm surprised they close, not just reduce staff or have a contingency plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, View from the Dolman said: You're looking for something that really isn't there. They're using the word 'suspended' routinely and have been using it since September. There is only the very odd exception where they've used postponed. Well it was a quick search, on Twitter, under @EFL_Comms account. First one appeared to be from mid December but happy to search every single statement for a Covid related postponement this season and see whether it was postponed or suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: Hard to fully understand what determines where a game is postponed and where a game goes ahead... Hmm, makes me wonder if we've heard the last of it. Plenty of clubs in same boat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, BigTone said: Who gives a shit. The situation today is a lot more serious than back in August so any protocol is outdated and totally meaningless. People seem to have this rather bizarre notion that the end of the pandemic is near and that normality is just around the corner. Dream on FFS. The worst is still to come. Each to their own on the Pandemic timescale. Rapid vaccination of the vulnerable will show a pathway to some degree of normality. As it stands, postponements/games not taking place are investigated. That's the starting point. Do I think there's any wrongdoing? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 We dodged a right hiding if you ask me. I am not sure we've heard the last of it. If its Covid symptoms doesn't that also mean isolation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 as two of my christmas day guests have covid I am now in perfect isolation behind the wall (cant do the guitar bit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Red Ferret said: Morons What was the pre match huddle for ? Questions must be asked we & Luton do this on Tuesday and our following games are then cancelled due to covid. I guess the argument will be the players will be in close contact during the game so does a pre match huddle increase the risk that much ? But I agree the sequence of events after make it look bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 hours ago, View from the Dolman said: Hard to fully understand what determines where a game is postponed and where a game goes ahead... Very interesting. Mark Ashton's influence at the EFL coming to our rescue I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Red Ferret said: Morons Yep, but they’re our morons. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 15 hours ago, Bobbie said: Yes what was that huddle about?? They go up in 2 coaches so not to sit next to each other and then they all stand arm in arm with the opposing team for a photo. Bizarre There’s a bit of a difference between 3 hours on a coach breathing the same air and a 5-10 second “huddle” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 15 hours ago, JonDolman said: Superb news for me as I was struggling to be able to watch this one! Great news for me as I had nothing on and was likely going to have to watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 11 hours ago, S25loyal said: Yes, the players with symptoms. FA/ELF rules state the whole squad and backroom staff need testing. The players who have symptoms could have had tests done by the government but they would never had been back in time. I don’t understand this though. If we test the whole team they could come back negative due to being pre-symptomatic. like @Harry said I’ve never understood why a negative test makes footballers exempt from the 10 day self isolation. If they were getting tested daily it would catch things quicker at least but it sounds like they aren’t getting regularly tested at all so by the time the next player develop symptoms it could be half way round the team, staff and their families. this is only getting worse. 11 hours ago, Harry said: Thanks Dave. So this would suggest that the CEO is NOT allowed in the dressing room (as it’s a red zone) Will be very interesting if we do come under an investigation and it transpires we’ve allowed persons into the red zone who should not be permitted. Flip me!! Are we effing stupid!!! Our manager held a meet and greet with fans in a pub, yes we are “effin stupid” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S25loyal Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I don’t understand this though. If we test the whole team they could come back negative due to being pre-symptomatic. like @Harry said I’ve never understood why a negative test makes footballers exempt from the 10 day self isolation. If they were getting tested daily it would catch things quicker at least but it sounds like they aren’t getting regularly tested at all so by the time the next player develop symptoms it could be half way round the team, staff and their families. this is only getting worse. Our manager held a meet and greet with fans in a pub, yes we are “effin stupid” In theory, footballers shouldn’t be fully mixing with close contact there should be bubbles etc. Hence why whole squads in theory do not need to self isolate, it shouldn’t be any different to normal workplaces. Remember close contact is within 2M for over 15 minutes etc, I would be hoping indoor contact is massively spaced out with good air flow and a lot is done outside. Thats like saying the whole of an Asda store should close when Derek at the back of the store gets it and has never been in contact with the people on the tills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, S25loyal said: In theory, footballers shouldn’t be fully mixing with close contact there should be bubbles etc. Hence why whole squads in theory do not need to self isolate, it shouldn’t be any different to normal workplaces. Remember close contact is within 2M for over 15 minutes etc, I would be hoping indoor contact is massively spaced out with good air flow and a lot is done outside. Thats like saying the whole of an Asda store should close when Derek at the back of the store gets it and has never been in contact with the people on the tills. Well that doesn’t fill me with confidence based on how some workplaces operate. Its 15 mins at 2m, it’s a lot shorter time frame at closer distances plus they all celebrate together and fist bump etc now. How many are in a footballer’s bubble and is it based on positional groups or friendship groups? It still doesn’t excuse that a negative test doesn’t make you safe, they could develop symptoms later that day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well it was a quick search, on Twitter, under @EFL_Comms account. First one appeared to be from mid December but happy to search every single statement for a Covid related postponement this season and see whether it was postponed or suspended. Twitter's search isn't the most useful. The earliest one I can find is September 24th - https://twitter.com/EFL_Comms/status/1309179540049072128 - full statement: https://www.efl.com/news/2020/september/efl-statement-walsall-v-leyton-orient. Quickly followed by September 25th, September 28th, the use of postponed on October 3rd and October 13th, reverting to suspended on October 22nd and every one since except one further use of postponed on December 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 14 hours ago, BigTone said: Does he elaborate on social distancing measures taken or do we all just jump to conclusions. Do you mean - he's director of football as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Burnley v Fulham who were due to play t9morrow is now off as Fulham have Covid/are isolating. Certainly getting into the clubs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 hours ago, daored said: What was the pre match huddle for ? Questions must be asked we & Luton do this on Tuesday and our following games are then cancelled due to covid. I guess the argument will be the players will be in close contact during the game so does a pre match huddle increase the risk that much ? But I agree the sequence of events after make it look bad Also @Bobbie @Harry Huddle surely was as alternative to taking the knee. Which incidentally would've presented less of a Covid risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, RedM said: Burnley v Fulham who were due to play t9morrow is now off as Fulham have Covid/are isolating. Certainly getting into the clubs now. It will get worse. It’s too serious to be prevented by a few protocols despite what some on here would have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: It will get worse. It’s too serious to be prevented by a few protocols despite what some on here would have you believe. Feels almost inevitable there will be some sort of suspension in games again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, RedM said: Burnley v Fulham who were due to play t9morrow is now off as Fulham have Covid/are isolating. Certainly getting into the clubs now. Thar Ashton chap certainly gets around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Hmm, makes me wonder if we've heard the last of it. Plenty of clubs in same boat though. As David Moyes said, it’s something that needs to be sorted out across PL & EFL. Need to be consistent on how many positive tests constitutes a postponement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 55 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: It will get worse. It’s too serious to be prevented by a few protocols despite what some on here would have you believe. Not just talking football but generally. History books will show this as a gross overreaction IMO, talking as a worldwide pattern. As for this, the fact that Rotherham played v Barnsley as they feared punishment if a 3rd game on the bounce was off. AFC Wimbledon were ordered to play today. It'll be investigated. Let's hope we have kept our house in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 53 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Feels almost inevitable there will be some sort of suspension in games again. 100% correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not just talking football but generally. History books will show this as a gross overreaction IMO, talking as a worldwide pattern. As for this, the fact that Rotherham played v Barnsley as they feared punishment if a 3rd game on the bounce was off. AFC Wimbledon were ordered to play today. It'll be investigated. Let's hope we have kept our house in order. How is it an over reaction? You’ve posted this before. Hospitals are full in parts of the country, if we were doing any less I dread to think where we’d be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not just talking football but generally. History books will show this as a gross overreaction IMO, talking as a worldwide pattern. As for this, the fact that Rotherham played v Barnsley as they feared punishment if a 3rd game on the bounce was off. AFC Wimbledon were ordered to play today. It'll be investigated. Let's hope we have kept our house in order. The EFL ordered Wimbledon to play and after discussion with us and Brentford they ordered us not to play. Those are facts. I am now guessing that a combination of us reporting symptoms together with the fact our last opponents proved they had symptoms together with that group huddle we had with them to end racism was the reason they said don’t play. They COULD have treated us the same as Wimbledon but THEY didn’t. What part of our house wouldn’t be in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, MarcusX said: How is it an over reaction? You’ve posted this before. Hospitals are full in parts of the country, if we were doing any less I dread to think where we’d be. The only way people like this will understand what is happening is if it was themselves or their family in intensive care fighting for their lives. Until the attitude of these people changes drastically then this whole pandemic will continue on for many months / years to come. Beggars belief IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, MarcusX said: How is it an over reaction? You’ve posted this before. Hospitals are full in parts of the country, if we were doing any less I dread to think where we’d be. Ask the hundreds of thousands of people hospitalised with Covid and the families of the tens of thousands who have died in this country whether they think it’s an over reaction?!! I am flabbergasted after all the facts that we are aware of people are STILL not taking Covid remotely seriously and all they seem to care about is whether a club should be punished in the technicality of a bloody game of football going ahead or not!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Numero Uno said: Ask the hundreds of thousands of people hospitalised with Covid and the families of the tens of thousands who have died in this country whether they think it’s an over reaction?!! I am flabbergasted after all the facts that we are aware of people are STILL not taking Covid remotely seriously and all they seem to care about is whether a club should be punished in the technicality of a bloody game of football going ahead or not!! Sadly this poster has said this multiple times in the politics thread, and been corrected every time. I get people are fed up of covid and tired of the restrictions but it’s still here unfortunately and arguably at its worst right now because last time we had this many people in hospital (less actually, we’ve surpassed the peak figure in April) we were already in lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Does make you wonder how Spurs can play all their matches? Be interesting to follow the progress of Leeds players and any one else they've played recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Midred said: Does make you wonder how Spurs can play all their matches? Be interesting to follow the progress of Leeds players and any one else they've played recently? Bigger squads. That and it costs Sky a lot of £££££££ if a game`s called off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the frampton balti Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 What a relief!. got a tenner on the palace . Much more relaxing that getting tonked by brentford.... gives us a bit longer to regroup . Postponement feels like a good result. Cant ruin my saturday now can you City.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Bigger squads. That and it costs Sky a lot of £££££££ if a game`s called off. Just wonder at the chance of any of the players testing positive later on? But I suppose that could be the risk for any team. City obviously taking precautions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Midred said: Just wonder at the chance of any of the players testing positive later on? But I suppose that could be the risk for any team. City obviously taking precautions! Also PL players get tested twice weekly I believe so they can catch early any symptoms/spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Ask the hundreds of thousands of people hospitalised with Covid and the families of the tens of thousands who have died in this country whether they think it’s an over reaction?!! I am flabbergasted after all the facts that we are aware of people are STILL not taking Covid remotely seriously and all they seem to care about is whether a club should be punished in the technicality of a bloody game of football going ahead or not!! I wonder how Alan Sugar is feeling now that his brother and sister have died in the last fortnight having previously said words the affect of “nobody I know has COVID so we should carry on as normal”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 What can actually be done to stop footballers being such morons? By the sounds of things most of these infections could’ve been avoided. Why are they even allowed to make these mistakes? Spurs and West Ham players at a gathering, Man City players apparently in London with Fulham, like, what? Even our players are up to it, following them on Instagram I was seeing Bakinson swan off to London and hang with people in close contact, no shock he got it. Is it really that impossible for clubs to actually look after and control their players or do we have to go the NBA route of a one location bubble to actually finish these leagues? It’s ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, BigTone said: The only way people like this will understand what is happening is if it was themselves or their family in intensive care fighting for their lives. Until the attitude of these people changes drastically then this whole pandemic will continue on for many months / years to come. Beggars belief IMO. Which is exactly why people who shouldn’t be in dressing rooms shouldn’t be in dressing rooms. You’ve been rather dismissive of that Tone, but it’s the same principle as that which you are arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loderingo Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Alessandro said: Feels almost inevitable there will be some sort of suspension in games again. Yes, that should happen. The problem is how to make up the postponed games. What should happen is that some of the season is outright cancelled (say the FA cup) but no-one wants to take the financial hit. If the league is shortened then the EFL have to give money back to Sky, if the FA Cup is cancelled the FA have to give money back. If the Euros are cancelled then UEFA have to give money back. If the Euros are fixed at 11th June-11th July 2021 (I would assume they can't be moved again as 2022 is World Cup year and 2023 is too close to the next Euros in 2024) then any prolonged postponement in Jan/Feb/Mar could mean that this season has to be finished in September/October. The challenge then is how you right the calendar again (there will be some disruption for Qatar 2022 anyway). Unfortunately, I see money being prioritised over player welfare. Assuming the Euros happen, I would expect a much more level playing field than usual with teams like Czechia who have small leagues and more of their players playing domestically having less tired players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry said: Which is exactly why people who shouldn’t be in dressing rooms shouldn’t be in dressing rooms. You’ve been rather dismissive of that Tone, but it’s the same principle as that which you are arguing. Harry, when you are 100% certain he was in the dressing room with concrete evidence then come back and argue your point. Other than that, I do have rather more pressing problems in my life that need my urgent attention rather than listening to rather tiresome conspiracies on here. Sorry if I did not respond in your required timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Loderingo said: Yes, that should happen. The problem is how to make up the postponed games. What should happen is that some of the season is outright cancelled (say the FA cup) but no-one wants to take the financial hit. If the league is shortened then the EFL have to give money back to Sky, if the FA Cup is cancelled the FA have to give money back. If the Euros are cancelled then UEFA have to give money back. If the Euros are fixed at 11th June-11th July 2021 (I would assume they can't be moved again as 2022 is World Cup year and 2023 is too close to the next Euros in 2024) then any prolonged postponement in Jan/Feb/Mar could mean that this season has to be finished in September/October. The challenge then is how you right the calendar again (there will be some disruption for Qatar 2022 anyway). Unfortunately, I see money being prioritised over player welfare. Assuming the Euros happen, I would expect a much more level playing field than usual with teams like Czechia who have small leagues and more of their players playing domestically having less tired players. It wouldn't be, it'd be points per game or playing x amount of times a week to fit all games in before the hard deadline before the Euros. They won't infringe onto 21/22 unless it joined a plan for how to schedule around 2022 world cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, MarcusX said: How is it an over reaction? You’ve posted this before. Hospitals are full in parts of the country, if we were doing any less I dread to think where we’d be. In fairness, hospitals are regularly full at this time of year, it's pretty standard to get emails from the local Trusts advising us not to admit to named hospitals as they are full. Been like that for years. It's why being booked in for your hip op in Jan is a bit optimistic. Obviously it's worse currently but probably not by as much as you'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Loderingo said: Yes, that should happen. The problem is how to make up the postponed games. What should happen is that some of the season is outright cancelled (say the FA cup) but no-one wants to take the financial hit. If the league is shortened then the EFL have to give money back to Sky, if the FA Cup is cancelled the FA have to give money back. If the Euros are cancelled then UEFA have to give money back. If the Euros are fixed at 11th June-11th July 2021 (I would assume they can't be moved again as 2022 is World Cup year and 2023 is too close to the next Euros in 2024) then any prolonged postponement in Jan/Feb/Mar could mean that this season has to be finished in September/October. The challenge then is how you right the calendar again (there will be some disruption for Qatar 2022 anyway). Unfortunately, I see money being prioritised over player welfare. Assuming the Euros happen, I would expect a much more level playing field than usual with teams like Czechia who have small leagues and more of their players playing domestically having less tired players. Used to be a really good side in their own right- parts of mid to late 1990s and early to late 2000's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, BigTone said: The only way people like this will understand what is happening is if it was themselves or their family in intensive care fighting for their lives. Until the attitude of these people changes drastically then this whole pandemic will continue on for many months / years to come. Beggars belief IMO. We'll only know in the long run, the full costs- costs of locking down vs not locking down, costs of mental health, suicides and the like- how many couldn't afford to miss key operations but because the NHS became the CHS. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, BigTone said: Harry, when you are 100% certain he was in the dressing room with concrete evidence then come back and argue your point. Other than that, I do have rather more pressing problems in my life that need my urgent attention rather than listening to rather tiresome conspiracies on here. Sorry if I did not respond in your required timeframe. Ok Tone. A simple “sorry Harry, you’re right” would’ve sufficed. The fact that Holden offered this information up in an interview, is clearly a conspiracy on my part. This is rather strange behaviour - you’ve always been a respected poster. I’m a little confused how anyone who is stressing the adherence to strict rules in this pandemic, would try to defend the fact that our CEO is regularly frequenting the dressing room pre-match, which is an area designated as Covid Red Zone and thus not a place for a CEO to be. This is quite shambolic of the club and to be quite honest, I hope we are investigated and fined for breaking regulation. Football has been given a pass to continue, based on the so-say strict environment being adopted. Seems we think we can get away with it - well, I hope we’re punished. It’s wrong, plain and simple. And another thing, if my daughter’s school gets closed next week, but football is allowed to continue, I won’t be happy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: We'll only know in the long run, the full costs- costs of locking down vs not locking down, costs of mental health, suicides and the like- how many couldn't afford to miss key operations but because the NHS became the CHS. Only time will tell. There has been a lot of discussion/debate about cancer treatment and possibly delays of diagnosis since March 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, reddoc said: In fairness, hospitals are regularly full at this time of year, it's pretty standard to get emails from the local Trusts advising us not to admit to named hospitals as they are full. Been like that for years. It's why being booked in for your hip op in Jan is a bit optimistic. Obviously it's worse currently but probably not by as much as you'd imagine. Presumably we won’t know how much worse until we see the month on month and year on year numbers for comparison. Getting back to the football, my personal view is that all leagues that want to complete their fixtures should have the same bubble arrangements as International cricket had earlier this year. There are plenty of empty hotels that can be utilised, and many of the Prem teams have accommodation at their training grounds. Parts of the game are awash with money, it should be spent on keeping people safe, until the vaccines are sufficiently deployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry said: Ok Tone. A simple “sorry Harry, you’re right” would’ve sufficed. The fact that Holden offered this information up in an interview, is clearly a conspiracy on my part. This is rather strange behaviour - you’ve always been a respected poster. I’m a little confused how anyone who is stressing the adherence to strict rules in this pandemic, would try to defend the fact that our CEO is regularly frequenting the dressing room pre-match, which is an area designated as Covid Red Zone and thus not a place for a CEO to be. This is quite shambolic of the club and to be quite honest, I hope we are investigated and fined for breaking regulation. Football has been given a pass to continue, based on the so-say strict environment being adopted. Seems we think we can get away with it - well, I hope we’re punished. It’s wrong, plain and simple. And another thing, if my daughter’s school gets closed next week, but football is allowed to continue, I won’t be happy!! Harry, you have zero chance of that happening. As I am sure you are aware the virus can be passed on in many ways. You have offered nothing concrete regarding MA being in the dressing room apart from something DH said that may well have been taken well out of context. You certainly don't know this for sure except seem happy to sprout the conspiracy theory that MA must have passed on the virus to our players. I hope sincerely for your daughters wellbeing that her school remains closed and she remains safe. I hope also that football is postponed indefinitely which seems inevitable. I hope also that my Mother receives proper hospital care in the final days of her life in a Covid ridden environment. I hope also my Father gets to see her before she passes. There is more to life than ******* football !!! Frankly this shite being sprouted is getting ******* tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med/MadHatter Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 hours ago, BigTone said: Thar Ashton chap certainly gets around That's why he wanted onto the EFL board, so he could visit every Championship club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Med/MadHatter said: That's why he wanted onto the EFL board, so he could visit every Championship club That's obviously what happened. We appoint the cheap option as manager and then infect all opposition clubs with Covid. A cunning well thought out plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Med/MadHatter said: That's why he wanted onto the EFL board, so he could visit every Championship club That's obviously what's happened. We appoint a cheap option as manager and then infect every other club with Covid. A cunning and well thought out plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Wade Wilson said: What can actually be done to stop footballers being such morons? By the sounds of things most of these infections could’ve been avoided. Why are they even allowed to make these mistakes? Spurs and West Ham players at a gathering, Man City players apparently in London with Fulham, like, what? Even our players are up to it, following them on Instagram I was seeing Bakinson swan off to London and hang with people in close contact, no shock he got it. Is it really that impossible for clubs to actually look after and control their players or do we have to go the NBA route of a one location bubble to actually finish these leagues? It’s ridiculous. In reality the NBA Bio Bubble route is, without mass vaccination of footballers and club staff, the only pragmatic way to get the season finished on time, particularly in the EFL. The problems are would players accept it and who pays for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, BigTone said: Harry, you have zero chance of that happening. As I am sure you are aware the virus can be passed on in many ways. You have offered nothing concrete regarding MA being in the dressing room apart from something DH said that may well have been taken well out of context. You certainly don't know this for sure except seem happy to sprout the conspiracy theory that MA must have passed on the virus to our players. I hope sincerely for your daughters wellbeing that her school remains closed and she remains safe. I hope also that football is postponed indefinitely which seems inevitable. I hope also that my Mother receives proper hospital care in the final days of her life in a Covid ridden environment. I hope also my Father gets to see her before she passes. There is more to life than ******* football !!! Frankly this shite being sprouted is getting ******* tiresome. Tone, maybe it’s best to take a break from the forum. You wouldn’t usually react in this way. I really do hope your mother’s final few days are peaceful and painless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Henry said: I really do hope your mother’s final few days are peaceful and painless. I can only echo those words @BigTone and thoughts with you your father and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Henry said: Tone, maybe it’s best to take a break from the forum. You wouldn’t usually react in this way. I really do hope your mother’s final few days are peaceful and painless. Maybe I should but I just get wound up by people with preconceived opinions of others who then use every opportunity to beat them with a big stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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