Independent review of BCFC training sessions

[Midlands Robin]

54 minutes ago, SedRA said:

I was amazed Rowe started against Derby with the way he went off against Huddersfield. Definitely something weird going on 

G McG tweeted in the run up to the Derby game that Rowe had been out for the week with a fractured foot but was then given an x-ray and it showed no fracture but bad swelling. 

This was just 2 days before Derby. Come match day he was apparently fit enough to play. 

It seems as if he was rushed back into the match day squad. 

[petehinton]

So we’ve called a fractured back a ‘sore back’ for Adelukan, allowed Rowe to play 40 minutes across 2 games with no feeling in his left foot, and allowed Weimann to try and run off a ruptured ACL. Any more?

[Numero Uno]

44 minutes ago, Robbored said:

What evidence do you have to support those claims?         

Apologies, didn't know I was appearing in court.

[Robbored]

3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Apologies, didn't know I was appearing in court.

So.....no evidence then........... Wild speculation on your part.

There was  a thread recently asking why the club take no notice of Otib.

This thread is one reason why.

 

[Selred]

9 minutes ago, Robbored said:

So.....no evidence then........... Wild speculation on your part.

There was  a thread recently asking why the club take no notice of Otib.

This thread is one reason why.

 

 

 

 

 

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, Selred said:

 

 

 

 

A newspaper report by a dodgy sports hack who’s trying to validate his previous unproven article  is not ‘evidence’................good grief..........

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

So.....no evidence then........... Wild speculation on your part.

There was  a thread recently asking why the club take no notice of Otib.

This thread is one reason why.

 

No it's not wild speculation. Some of the information, in fact, came out of Dean Holden's gob.............unless he was wildly speculating and you know better from discussions with Mark at a Senior Reds bash? Any sensible club given the injury record would have an INDEPENDENT look into from a due diligence point of view imo. If the official line turns out to be "bad luck" after an independent review then that is what it is.........but at least have that review.

As for the club taking no notice of OTIB, you are living in Cloud Cuckoo Land if you think that. Again they may tell you that at The Senior Reds Bowling Orgy or whatever it is you do up on that top floor. They most certainly do read it and people I know have been pulled up for something they shouldn't have shared on here based on the club grassing them up........that is a fact that I know to be fact whether you choose to rubbish it as speculation or not.

[Silvio Dante]

Robbored - “The club take no notice of OTIB”

Also Robbored:

 

[Selred]

7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

A newspaper report by a dodgy sports hack who’s trying to validate his previous unproven article  is not ‘evidence’................good grief..........

Firstly that's very unfair to call GMc a dodgy sports hack.

Secondly the club article here says about the sore back... https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/report-bristol-city-2-1-huddersfield-town/

And then Deano confirmed he's out for the season with a fractured back.

[Numero Uno]

11 minutes ago, Selred said:

Firstly that's very unfair to call GMc a dodgy sports hack.

Secondly the club article here says about the sore back... https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/report-bristol-city-2-1-huddersfield-town/

And then Deano confirmed he's out for the season with a fractured back.

So on the Official Site then? That makes it fact not wild speculation that his injury was not diagnosed at that point doesn't it?!!

[bcfcnick]

11 hours ago, SouthStand Sandwich said:

Independent review of BCFC training sessions

independent review needed.

Hasn't Bielsa already done that?  

[Alessandro]

Williams

Walsh

Weimann

Sess

Kalas

Mawson

Dasilva 

Baker

COD

Rowe

Paterson

Pring

Adelakun

Martin

14....All with medium to long term injuries this season...have I missed anyone? What’s also concerning about that list is how many have picked up the injuries or exacerbated them whilst training and in rehab with us.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Alessandro said:

Williams

Walsh

Weimann

Sess

Kalas

Mawson

Dasilva 

Baker

COD

Rowe

Paterson

Pring

Adelakun

Martin

14....All with medium to long term injuries this season...have I missed anyone? What’s also concerning about that list is how many have picked up the injuries or exacerbated them whilst training and in rehab with us.

It's just bad luck you conspiracy theorist!!

Actually, it might be but shouldn't we find out?

[bcfcnick]

I wonder if training sessions are a bit too physical.  When Dean was first appointed he said he wanted to see a more competitive spirit in training.  It was words to the effect of 'not scraps exactly but a bit of argy-bargy.'   

All good intentioned  of course and probably he was aiming to get rid of the 'too soft' reputation etc but with the amount of games in a limited time span this season, then the players need to be protected. I think they should do the reverse  and ease off the physical exertion element in training. 

There are other ways of getting that squad competitive spirit and bonding without pushing the players to the max in training in the current context.

[DaveF]

37 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Robbored - “The club take no notice of OTIB”

Also Robbored:

 

Picking on a post from over 11 years ago is a bit strange 

[sh1t_ref_again]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

I’ve only just realised that we only had 8 on the bench last night. 
So presume that means Lansbury was also injured? Otherwise, why not fill the bench? 
 

Has anything been said by the club on this? Or are we into more deception?? 

I said the same last night, what is strange is that if only at Villa reserves fitness level, surely he would have got some minutes in the U23's with Williams, so when not with the youths I though would be on the bench or even starting, so a bit of a mystery our only signing does not seem fit enough or already injured so cat take part in U23's even.

[The Coach]

If I recall from last year. I did point out I was highly concerned with the training regimes and form the players were executing during workouts and on field fitness training. As someone with much experience and history in this field. It was disturbing seeing the players train in the gym with such poor technique and execution. I said at the time whoever is working in strength & conditioning should be sacked. It was obvious the players were being led by someone with little credentials and experience.

 

[RedRock]

2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

I director of football has no bearing on the medical side of things or training methods 

Medical would be the head physio and club doctor training would be the head coach and his coaching team

Fir once this is nothing to do with ashton or not having a director of football

Who appointed the medical and fitness teams? Who manages their performance and results?

 

A Director of Football would have an over-arching brief, he could employ specialist consultant’s outside his fields of expertise. He needs to report direct to the owner. 

Why not? 

Because Steve, understandably, doesn’t want the hassle of a major restructure in his retirement and he also doesn’t want to lose face having got rid of one of his top appointees last season and likely the other, a season later. That would be an admission of failure.

We’re stuck with Ashton -at best in the doldrums. As we all know though, if you stand still in this game it’s only a matter of time before you go backwards, and rapidly. 

[Alessandro]

18 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

It's just bad luck you conspiracy theorist!!

Actually, it might be but shouldn't we find out?

All i'll say is, if I owned a £50m odd asset and there were this many on-going problems that directly effected it - i'd be asking serious questions and heads would be rolling if needed. 

What was it LJ had put up on the walls..."Ruthless in the pursuit of excellence"?

BCFC are more like "Forgiving in the settling for mediocrity" at the moment. 

[BTRFTG]

A good starting point is to recognise it's NOT just this season. We've had quite a few years whereby new players into the club get crocked very quickly, plus I can't recall the last start to a season when we didn't have 5 or more players out with 'niggles' before a ball is kicked.

I wonder what our medical diligence is when signing players?

I see Smith's really struggling to stay fit with The Swan's.....

[maxjak]

3 hours ago, Harry said:

I’ve only just realised that we only had 8 on the bench last night. 
So presume that means Lansbury was also injured? Otherwise, why not fill the bench? 
 

Has anything been said by the club on this? Or are we into more deception?? 

Lansbury was slightly injured when we signed him, and also not up to game fitness.  We were told that he would need a month before he was available.  Of course that also depends on if he can avoid the "Curse of the Training Ground!?" .........  (X Rated - Coming soon to a cinema near you)  Probably won't play until around May?  Ha!! 

[BanburyRed]

Wishing Hakeeb a full recovery from his sore/fractured back.

I've raised this point before but would really like the medical team of the Bears to take a look at some of our players, if nothing else for a professional 2nd opinion. Joe Williams has barely kicked a ball since arriving, and Henri Lansbury is now injured, I believe. Either we are genuinely unlucky with injuries or some diligence is missing from the medicals prior to the players signing.  Something we must seriously look into.

[Simon79]

10 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

A good starting point is to recognise it's NOT just this season. We've had quite a few years whereby new players into the club get crocked very quickly, plus I can't recall the last start to a season when we didn't have 5 or more players out with 'niggles' before a ball is kicked.

I wonder what our medical diligence is when signing players?

I see Smith's really struggling to stay fit with The Swan's.....

Think he has missed the last 2 or 3 games, played over 20 times I think so far. Hopefully back for their next game. COYR 

[Lrrr]

41 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Picking on a post from over 11 years ago is a bit strange 

But what a thread though

[Harry]

26 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Lansbury was slightly injured when we signed him, and also not up to game fitness.  We were told that he would need a month before he was available.  Of course that also depends on if he can avoid the "Curse of the Training Ground!?" .........  (X Rated - Coming soon to a cinema near you)  Probably won't play until around May?  Ha!! 

Thanks. I hadn’t seen the comments about Lansbury not being fit. 
 

So, we knew he was injured when we brought him in. He’s arrived with 21 games remaining. If he’s not gonna be available for about a month, there could be just 13 games left (as at the end of Feb). 
 

I’ll hold fire until we see when he returns, but if he’s out for a month (knowingly upon arrival), this seems bizarre. 
 

In further bizarre injury-related news. Some people may recall ‘Solihull-gate’ last week, where MA stated that we sent the players to the Midlands for scans. Well, I’ve been doing some digging and I’ve discovered that we don’t. They get scanned in Bristol. We have 2 slots pre-booked each week, for any scans or examinations we require. 
Quite why MA said we send them to Solihull I don’t know. 
Utterly bizarre. 

[Sheltons Army]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Thanks. I hadn’t seen the comments about Lansbury not being fit. 
 

So, we knew he was injured when we brought him in. He’s arrived with 21 games remaining. If he’s not gonna be available for about a month, there could be just 13 games left (as at the end of Feb). 
 

I’ll hold fire until we see when he returns, but if he’s out for a month (knowingly upon arrival), this seems bizarre. 
 

In further bizarre injury-related news. Some people may recall ‘Solihull-gate’ last week, where MA stated that we sent the players to the Midlands for scans. Well, I’ve been doing some digging and I’ve discovered that we don’t. They get scanned in Bristol. We have 2 slots pre-booked each week, for any scans or examinations we require. 
Quite why MA said we send them to Solihull I don’t know. 
Utterly bizarre. 

I don’t know why you are still posting Harry 

You are ‘tainted goods’

 

[Redtucks]

12 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

.......... Maybe Failand is cursed?! .........................

Not the gypos from north of the river????

 

[LondonBristolian]

I think certain posters on here miss the point about the potential value of the suggestion of an independent review.

We have a lot of injuries. Many of them are muscle injuries and many of them are in similar areas. That may be a coincidence or it may be because something is quite right. None of us know for sure.

But the club SHOULD be curious and trying to learn and improve in all areas. It would do no harm at all to get a second opinion on how we are training and how we are treating our injuries. It might be we then find we're doing everything right and are just unlucky. it might be we find there are areas to improve. But either way. we know more than we did before and, if changes are needed, they can be made.

Of course the practicality of letting another coach into the bubble may be tricky so it may be necessary to do it via video. But, even if you think are injuries are just down to an unfortunate coincidence, confirming that would do no harm at all. It's not conspiracy theorism or pre-judging an outcome. It's just proactively trying to learn. 

[DaveF]

23 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

But what a thread though

I can't argue with that!

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

13 hours ago, Banjo Red said:

Something weird is going on you can't have that many injuries for it to be coincidence.

Yes you can, it’s happening at other clubs too.  Southampton have been decimated by injury, and even Liverpool have had serious problems, for instance.  Rather than look for silly conspiracy theories, how about understanding how difficult it is for sportspeople during the pandemic?