steve lansdown

[Hampshire reds]

It would be interesting to hear from steve to hear what he thinks of what is happening with his club. sorry if i have missed his interview. Relagation is a possibility on current form. if it happens it will set the club back so far. Action is needed. 

[Davefevs]

I agree.  Or JL.

Suspect they’ll leave it to RG though.

Someone showed me an article from the Sunday papers yesterday….allegedly a Championship club, with their own ground but a low value group of players is looking to sell for £100m.  Wonder who that could be?

@myol'man want to share the cutting?

[TonyTonyTony]

What do you expect to hear from him? You could pretty much script the words he would say. Keep the faith, we trust in Nigel, transition season, Covid finances, no parachute payments etc etc

 

[1960maaan]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I agree.  Or JL.

Suspect they’ll leave it to RG though.

Someone showed me an article from the Sunday papers yesterday….allegedly a Championship club, with their own ground but a low value group of players is looking to sell for £100m.  Wonder who that could be?

@myol'man want to share the cutting?

When I saw the bit about looking for investment , I pretty much read it as this.

[Wiltshire robin]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I agree.  Or JL.

Suspect they’ll leave it to RG though.

Someone showed me an article from the Sunday papers yesterday….allegedly a Championship club, with their own ground but a low value group of players is looking to sell for £100m.  Wonder who that could be?

@myol'man want to share the cutting?

This one? 

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said:

This one? 

Bristol City don’t own the ground 

[Redrascal2]

14 hours ago, Hampshire reds said:

It would be interesting to hear from steve to hear what he thinks of what is happening with his club. sorry if i have missed his interview. Relagation is a possibility on current form. if it happens it will set the club back so far. Action is needed. 

I think his silence speaks volumes. That he is leaving the football club to get on with it and more funds to strengthen the team are not going to be forthcoming. His back is truly turned to the problems we currently have.

[Waconda]

21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I agree.  Or JL.

Suspect they’ll leave it to RG though.

Someone showed me an article from the Sunday papers yesterday….allegedly a Championship club, with their own ground but a low value group of players is looking to sell for £100m.  Wonder who that could be?

@myol'man want to share the cutting?

This is not us.

[Barry Sheene]

26 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I agree.  Or JL.

Suspect they’ll leave it to RG though.

Someone showed me an article from the Sunday papers yesterday….allegedly a Championship club, with their own ground but a low value group of players is looking to sell for £100m.  Wonder who that could be?

@myol'man want to share the cutting?

This could be Preston North End as the owner has passed away recently

[sh1t_ref_again]

Oh a post from Hampshire reds - we must have lost then

[Supersonic Robin]

It would be very interesting to hear Steve Lansdown's deepest honest thoughts on it all (obviously that'll never happen quite understandably).

One has to imagine that he's feeling very disheartened and downbeat given how the last few years have panned out. I think part of his aim has been to leave a bit of footballing legacy here, and he's perhaps now realising that's unlikely to happen.

[Finley_Smith10]

Would love for one of the Lansdowns to go on the radio or do some media. This past year of football has been some of the worst I’ve ever saw. Can’t even put a few passes together or dominate a game. And the record is abysmal 

[frenchred]

21 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Oh a post from Hampshire reds - we must have lost then

Why slag him off for a half decent post? Or are you just on auto repeat?

[ray savino]

Keep saying it. He is ultimately accountable for this. He has presided over the recruitment of a structure and Board of Directors that has resulted in our position now. Until there is a sign of expanding the levels of football expertise and broadening the input towards decision making at that level, it would appear that we will get to the Premier promised land more through luck or the alignment of the planets than the apparent current ‘Plan’. 

I don’t dispute that SL has put in a huge amount of financial investment over the years, or that he has representation on the Board in the shape of his son, JL. Most fans are grateful that we have an improved stadium and the squad have modern training facilities. But SL should not be beyond criticism. There is a problem. He has not reached his ultimate goal, despite seeing clubs with lesser investment reach theirs or at least surpass ours. What is worse is that we appear to fail to build on any positive signs of momentum in our clubs playing history, frequently ending up going backwards and having to rebuild again and again.

We are rebuilding now yet again. Except we haven’t really started properly yet as we’re still having to crash and sift out all the contracted deadwood in the squad. Whichever manager is in charge clearly was going to have to do this. My big fear is that the biggest reorganisation has to start at the top table with a crystal clear plan, recruitment of the correct people throughout the club to implement the plan. We may have some of those people in place... we may not. The evidence in front of our eyes says there is still a long way to go to convince and communicate to us that this board have that coherent effective plan. I just feel that our board have lacked the imagination and know how of the likes of Brentord, Swansea, Norwich and all the other obvious candidates that have surpassed us in terms of playing vision, success and style over he last few years.  

[MC RISK77]

44 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said:

This one? 

FFS - al’s wicked whisper, this looks like it has been lifted from a 1983 Roy of the rovers or shoot annual, bar the 100m

[Alessandro]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I agree.  Or JL.

Suspect they’ll leave it to RG though.

Someone showed me an article from the Sunday papers yesterday….allegedly a Championship club, with their own ground but a low value group of players is looking to sell for £100m.  Wonder who that could be?

@myol'man want to share the cutting?

Who fits in that category?

Preston

City

Millwall

Blackpool or Luton?

Middlesborough?

Of that list i’d think Preston as £100m I would imagine is a little low for us. But it could well be.

[maxjak]

Al's wicked whisper looks such a absolute 100% undeniable source................with such credibility, there is obviously no doubt of it's authenticity? 

[Kid in the Riot]

56 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Bristol City don’t own the ground 

Bristol City Holdings owns the club and ground, so it could be that company which is for sale... 

Whether that article refers to us or not, the fact is we are "unofficially" for sale.

[Ivorguy]

10 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Who fits in that category?

Preston

City

Millwall

Blackpool or Luton?

Middlesborough?

Of that list i’d think Preston as £100m I would imagine is a little low for us. But it could well be.

Not us.  We don’t, as BCFC, own our own ground.  For that to apply to us BS would have to be broken up and sold separately with AG going to BCFC.

My long standing concern about the chaos BS will cause at point of SL’s withdrawal,  unless, of course, SL finds a buyer for the lot.  And where are they going to come from?

 

 

 

 

[BUTOR]

2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Not us.  We don’t, as BCFC, own our own ground.  For that to apply to us BS would have to be broken up and sold separately with AG going to BCFC.

My long standing concern about the chaos BS will cause at point of SL’s withdrawal,  unless, of course, SL finds a buyer for the lot.  And where are they going to come from?

 

 

 

 

That’s why it’s more likely to be investment than an outright purchase. 

[Riaz]

People always say were going down.

Under johnson, every season, there were hoards of people on facebook telling me relegation was around the corner. We were a decent side then aswell.

 

As it stands, we are poor. But Derby, Barnsley and P'Boro arent catching us.

So i cant see it and i dont get this need for the owner to keep having to make comments when we lose a few games. It happens. Especially at Bristol City, Get over it.

[View from the Dolman]

6 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Not us.  We don’t, as BCFC, own our own ground.  For that to apply to us BS would have to be broken up and sold separately with AG going to BCFC.

You're just plain wrong.

The football club and stadium could be sold without Bristol Sport changing as an entity. There's already a group encompassing both football club and stadium - Bristol City Holdings Limited.

[Red DNA]

1 hour ago, Redrascal2 said:

……more funds to strengthen the team are not going to be forthcoming.

Maybe you could try Googling Financial Fair Play rules as applicable to the Championship, scrutinise our accounts at Companies House - then understand why funds CAN’T be forthcoming  

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Bristol City don’t own the ground 

I’m sure whatever is put up for sale (assuming story to be true) will include AG Ltd and BCFC Ltd.  Both belong to SL.

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Not us.  We don’t, as BCFC, own our own ground.  For that to apply to us BS would have to be broken up and sold separately with AG going to BCFC.

My long standing concern about the chaos BS will cause at point of SL’s withdrawal,  unless, of course, SL finds a buyer for the lot.  And where are they going to come from?

 

 

 

 

As Kid says, quite easy for Pula to just sell the “club” (BC Holdings)

.

 

[myol'man]

Don't include me on another SL thread, I got lynched last week. 

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by myol'man

[Redrascal2]

53 minutes ago, Red DNA said:

Maybe you could try Googling Financial Fair Play rules as applicable to the Championship, scrutinise our accounts at Companies House - then understand why funds CAN’T be forthcoming  

Am I right in saying FFP does not apply in League 1. Well the way we are going they will be no need to Google it next season.

[Kingswood Robin]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

As Kid says, quite easy for Pula to just sell the “club” (BC Holdings)

.

 

It is good to see this. I can well understand given how in your face Bristol Sport is, that people think Bristol Sport is where the Pula bubble is. Also the name Bristol Sport does imply more than just basketball ownership.

[Davefevs]

23 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

Am I right in saying FFP does not apply in League 1. Well the way we are going they will be no need to Google it next season.

SCMP applies instead:

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

It’s far more easy for an owner to inject money into the club.

Just waiting for Ipswich to come up and be bound by FFP!!

 

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, Kingswood Robin said:

It is good to see this. I can well understand given how in your face Bristol Sport is, that people think Bristol Sport is where the Pula bubble is. Also the name Bristol Sport does imply more than just basketball ownership.

Bristol Sport is more a brand in my eyes, a name.  Really it’s Pula.

Pula is registered in Guernsey, eff all chance of finding out anything about it.  I’ve tried, others better than me have tried too.

[WarksRobin]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

SCMP applies instead:

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

It’s far more easy for an owner to inject money into the club.

Just waiting for Ipswich to come up and be bound by FFP!!

 

Maybe the plan is to get relegated, inject loads of cash and rebound

[Kingswood Robin]

2 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

What do you expect to hear from him? You could pretty much script the words he would say. Keep the faith, we trust in Nigel, transition season, Covid finances, no parachute payments etc etc

 

That may be the case. As he is so remote these days, I would like to hear his thoughts, his reactions to unscripted questions and get a feel for his general tone/demeanour.

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Maybe the plan is to get relegated, inject loads of cash and rebound

You can only inject so much, without it biting you on the bum when you come under FFP upon promotion.

Cant wait for it to dawn on Ipswich fans and Gamechanger Ltd!

[glynriley]

9 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Maybe the plan is to get relegated, inject loads of cash and rebound

[Tin Soldier]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Bristol City Holdings owns the club and ground, so it could be that company which is for sale... 

Whether that article refers to us or not, the fact is we are "unofficially" for sale.

Noone will hear anymore from the Lansdowns until after the sale. 

[MarcusX]

I could be wrong, but one thing I find rather unique about our situation (in my 30 years as a supporter) is I dont ever remember us being so shit and avoding relegation (except where we've changed manager and been saved)

At least in the past when we've been shit it hasnt tended to last too long. We have one or two bad seasons, go down, make big changes and come back up.

We've never been this consistently shit for this long in the last 30 years, and I think we're going to survive this season because of Derby and 2 teams being even shitter than us!

This is probably where someone corrects me

 

[Galley is our king]

3 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I could be wrong, but one thing I find rather unique about our situation (in my 30 years as a supporter) is I dont ever remember us being so shit and avoding relegation (except where we've changed manager and been saved)

At least in the past when we've been shit it hasnt tended to last too long. We have one or two bad seasons, go down, make big changes and come back up.

We've never been this consistently shit for this long in the last 30 years, and I think we're going to survive this season because of Derby and 2 teams being even shitter than us!

This is probably where someone corrects me

 

Well in my 55+ years I certainly do. The manager? Alan Dicks who just survived annually for many years.

He eventually got a team together based around young players who got us promoted to the top flight.

Lesson for us all there which some of us learned many years ago....

As Jonesey would say "DON'T PANIC"

[MarcusX]

13 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

Well in my 55+ years I certainly do. The manager? Alan Dicks who just survived annually for many years.

He eventually got a team together based around young players who got us promoted to the top flight.

Lesson for us all there which some of us learned many years ago....

As Jonesey would say "DON'T PANIC"

I know the situation around AD and his early years, of course I wasn't around to experience it.

I agree with the sentiment, I just think we've been lucky for the last 30 years our "good" seasons have probably outweighed our bad and a lot of us as a fan base don't know what it's like to experience this level of shit for so long.

I still hope Pearson can turn it around, he was my preferred choice even when we appointed Holden. I'm disappointed he hasn't had more impact though so far, I thought he'd at least make us hard to beat

[NcnsBcfc]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

You can only inject so much, without it biting you on the bum when you come under FFP upon promotion.

Cant wait for it to dawn on Ipswich fans and Gamechanger Ltd!

I'm guessing that FFP only applies to seasons that the club has in the Championship? Can't imagine the EFL can impose conditions stemming from when you weren't in the competition?

So if Ipswich came up (unlikely given their season so far), they would have 3 years before the proverbial hits the fan.

[NcnsBcfc]

3 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I know the situation around AD and his early years, of course I wasn't around to experience it.

I agree with the sentiment, I just think we've been lucky for the last 30 years our "good" seasons have probably outweighed our bad and a lot of us as a fan base don't know what it's like to experience this level of shit for so long.

I still hope Pearson can turn it around, he was my preferred choice even when we appointed Holden. I'm disappointed he hasn't had more impact though so far, I thought he'd at least make us hard to beat

For me the last 3 years have been akin to the period after GJ left. A gradual dropping down the division, with a bit of a miracle escape in 2011/12 (Chris Wood was great loan signing for us). Followed by the inevitable relegation the following season.

1999/00, and 2012/13 were poor seasons. But at least we had some hope; and could see the commitment of the players. The last year or so, has been generally very poor. If last season consisted of only 30 games stretching from Jan to May, we would have been bottom by at least 10 points.

My only hope for this season is that there are 3 worse teams than us. At present Peterborough, Barnsley, and Derby (thank god for the -21 points ) are doing sterling work in that regard. But we can't rely on that carrying on. At some stage, one of them will pick up.

We need the equivalent points of 8-9 wins to be safe i reckon. A bit of a tall order at present. But the Jan window is only a month away, and let's see what it brings. I'm not expecting miracles from the board (FFP is, what it is). But maybe, just maybe the introduction of 2-3 loans (with NP having to take back his view on loans) will get us over the line.

In the meantime, it feels like we are scrapping in a tough division without the requisite squad. Looking at @Davefevs squad contract list. It's obviously the end of the 22/23 season when we are in the best position to make changes. The players OOC in the summer will only give us minor scope to improve the squad.

It's tough this, isn't it?

 

[REDOXO]

4 hours ago, Wiltshire robin said:

This one? 

Have City bought their ground back?!

[REDOXO]

3 hours ago, Ivorguy said:

Not us.  We don’t, as BCFC, own our own ground.  For that to apply to us BS would have to be broken up and sold separately with AG going to BCFC.

My long standing concern about the chaos BS will cause at point of SL’s withdrawal,  unless, of course, SL finds a buyer for the lot.  And where are they going to come from?

 

 

 

 

Exactly!
 

Oh the group has decent value. Particularly if the egg chasers are competitive in general (short term drops in form happen). 

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

I'm guessing that FFP only applies to seasons that the club has in the Championship? Can't imagine the EFL can impose conditions stemming from when you weren't in the competition?

So if Ipswich came up (unlikely given their season so far), they would have 3 years before the proverbial hits the fan.

Nope, assume they got promoted this season, then next season 22/23, they would include 22/23, 21/22 and 20/21 (50%) 19/20 (50%) in that cycle, and have to be within £39m, see row 2 below.

So we will need to see some accounts for 20/21 initially.

They made a £5.2m loss in 19/20.

They received no transfer fee income last season so I reckon they are sitting on a £10-12m loss last season (minus covid allowances). Let’s say £7.8m loss.

Those two years will count as £6.5m loss (£13m /2).

This year MA will say they are net zero on transfers, but their wage bill will’ve rocketed.  Let’s say they a £15m loss….but they also have a squad with committed wages.

It starts to lessen their scope to improve the squad much on promotion.

 

[ExiledAjax]

8 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Have City bought their ground back?!

Ashton Gate is owned by Ashton Gate Limited, which is owned by Bristol City Holdings Limited, the company that also owns Bristol City Football Club Limited. Bristol City Holdings Limited is then owned by Pula Sport. The Rugby Club is separate from the football element, and certainly doesn't own Ashton Gate stadium. As others have said, when you talk about selling the "Club", there needs to be some accuracy regarding what exactly is being talked about. As I understand it the entity that files accounts for P&S purposes, and so is likely the one registered as a member of the EFL, is Bristol City Holdings Limited. If that entity was sold as a share sale, then the stadium would go with it as it is owned by a subsidiary.

 

[NcnsBcfc]

3 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Ashton Gate is owned by Ashton Gate Limited, which is owned by Bristol City Holdings Limited, the company that also owns Bristol City Football Club Limited. Bristol City Holdings Limited is then owned by Pula Sport. The Rugby Club is separate from the football element, and certainly doesn't own Ashton Gate stadium. As others have said, when you talk about selling the "Club", there needs to be some accuracy regarding what exactly is being talked about. As I understand it the entity that files accounts for P&S purposes, and so is likely the one registered as a member of the EFL, is Bristol City Holdings Limited. If that entity was sold as a share sale, then the stadium would go with it as it is owned by a subsidiary.

 

Thanks @ExiledAjax that's a really good, clear way of explaining the structure of Bristol Sport.

It shows for me, how difficult it would be for another owner to come in, and just buy Bristol City. They would probably have to buy the whole concept. As without the football club, the whole Bristol Sport concept would begin to fail.

[ExiledAjax]

Just now, NcnsBcfc said:

Thanks @ExiledAjax that's a really good, clear way of explaining the structure of Bristol Sport.

It shows for me, how difficult it would be for another owner to come in, and just buy Bristol City. They would probably have to buy the whole concept. As without the football club, the whole Bristol Sport concept would begin to fail.

No, no it's the opposite. It's really easy to just buy "Bristol City". You just have to buy Bristol City Holdings Limited. This is the whole structure of the group (so far as I can tell from freely available info on Companies House). To buy "Bristol City FC", plus Ashton Gate, you just cut the branch as shown below.

Pula Sport would be left with all of the centre and right of this chart, and a new owner could walk off with the Football side. Bristol Sport could easily continue as a Basketball and Rugby organisation, and if it wanted to add some sort of rudimentary football club, then it could buy Mangotsfield, Bristol Manor Farm, or any other lower league Bristol based football team.

FYI, the initials in ( ) are the various directors of each company.

[exAtyeoMax]

2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

No, no it's the opposite. It's really easy to just buy "Bristol City". You just have to buy Bristol City Holdings Limited. This is the whole structure of the group (so far as I can tell from freely available info on Companies House). To buy "Bristol City FC", plus Ashton Gate, you just cut the branch as shown below.

Pula Sport would be left with all of the centre and right of this chart, and a new owner could walk off with the Football side. Bristol Sport could easily continue as a Basketball and Rugby organisation, and if it wanted to add some sort of rudimentary football club, then it could buy Mangotsfield, Bristol Manor Farm, or any other lower league Bristol based football team.

FYI, the initials in ( ) are the various directors of each company.

they'd  lose the HPC though, unless they buy that separately?

[Kingswood Robin]

16 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Ashton Gate is owned by Ashton Gate Limited, which is owned by Bristol City Holdings Limited, the company that also owns Bristol City Football Club Limited. Bristol City Holdings Limited is then owned by Pula Sport. The Rugby Club is separate from the football element, and certainly doesn't own Ashton Gate stadium. As others have said, when you talk about selling the "Club", there needs to be some accuracy regarding what exactly is being talked about. As I understand it the entity that files accounts for P&S purposes, and so is likely the one registered as a member of the EFL, is Bristol City Holdings Limited. If that entity was sold as a share sale, then the stadium would go with it as it is owned by a subsidiary.

 

"Limited" is quite appropriate for a good part of that family tree at the moment.

[ExiledAjax]

7 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

they'd  lose the HPC though, unless they buy that separately?

Depends which company owns it. I've been trying to find that out, including by searching the planning registry to try and see which company actually made the applications. If I pay I should be able to find out using the Land Registry search, but I'm being tight and want to exhaust free sources first.

You don't know for certain which company owns the training ground do you?

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 hour ago, glynriley said:

Did you see the Lindisfarne /Alan Hull documentary Friday night? Don't know if it was a repeat but I'd not seen it before. Enjoyed it. And we need some of that, at the moment.....

[sh1t_ref_again]

4 hours ago, frenchred said:

Why slag him off for a half decent post? Or are you just on auto repeat?

Oh the irony of saying I'm on auto repeat, after commenting on the most negative poster on here whose ever post is sack NP or similar

The point being he only comes on and posts the usual nonsense when we lose to try and get a ground swell of support for his minority views.

As for half decent post, why should SL comment publicly after a loss it would serve no benefit what so ever and even if he did the usual anti SL mob would find something to moan about what is said. 

[glynriley]

1 minute ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

Did you see the Lindisfarne /Alan Hull documentary Friday night? Don't know if it was a repeat but I'd not seen it before. Enjoyed it. And we need some of that, at the moment.....

I did indeed, very good it was unall.

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 minute ago, glynriley said:

I did indeed, very good it was unall.

My only criticism of it would be that they might've given more critical attention to Gazza's 1990 re-working of "Fog on the Tyne, like" especially the video, which I love to this day. Imagine Alan Hull in a 90s shiny shellsuit (suckin sickly sausage rolls) ..... 

[Ivorguy]

3 hours ago, View from the Dolman said:

You're just plain wrong.

The football club and stadium could be sold without Bristol Sport changing as an entity. There's already a group encompassing both football club and stadium - Bristol City Holdings Limited.

Not sure that is correct because if AG and  BCFC go together a new purchaser might well not want to ground share with rugby. And rugby would be left with ground.

 

As Ihavesaid for years BS is a potential nightmare for all.  It clearly has failed to deliver what was expected of it, ie a Bristol Barcelona.  It is a broken model.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Ivorguy

[ExiledAjax]

3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Not sure that is correct because if AG and  BCFC go together a new purchaser might well not want to ground share with rugby. And rugby would be left with ground.

 

That's a commercial decision for any new buyer. If Bristol City Holdings Limited was sold as a share sale then the starting point would be that any commercial agreements or contracts would continue. So the default would be that the rental of AG by Bristol Rugby Club Limited would continue. If a new owner did not want that, well then stopping that would be part of the sale negotiations. The point is that the existence of that arrangement absolutely does not preclude the sale of Bristol City Holdings Limited.

Edited November 29, 2021 by ExiledAjax

[glynriley]

8 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said:

My only criticism of it would be that they might've given more critical attention to Gazza's 1990 re-working of "Fog on the Tyne, like" especially the video, which I love to this day. Imagine Alan Hull in a 90s shiny shellsuit (suckin sickly sausage rolls) ..... 

[Bristol Oil Services]

Steve Lansdown? Or a shell-suited, false-breasted Gazza doing "Fog On The Tyne, Like" ? I know which I care to wallow in, today ....

[Ivorguy]

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

That's a commercial decision for any new buyer. If Bristol City Holdings Limited was sold as a share sale then the starting point would be that any commercial agreements or contracts would continue. So the default would be that the rental of AG by Bristol Rugby Club Limited would continue. If a new owner did not want that, well then stopping that would be part of the sale negotiations. The point is that the existence of that arrangement absolutely does not preclude the sale of Bristol City Holdings Limited.

OK then that means that SL’s flagship idea of BS will be dead in the water and it would be legitimate to question what degree of harm it has done over the years to BCFC.

All I am interested in is that SL and son get out of my club

[NcnsBcfc]

2 hours ago, WarksRobin said:

Maybe the plan is to get relegated, inject loads of cash and rebound

That worked out for Sunderland, Charlton, Ipswich.  Sheff Wed are struggling to make an impact in 7th. Portsmouth & Bolton kept on going down and down, before coming back up.

Tough league to get out from League 1. The top 4 are Rotherham, Wigan, Wycombe & Plymouth. The first three have obviously been able to keep together the makings of a good side; and Wigan have benefitted from new owners, and no salary caps in L1 making them a more attractive destination to possible Champ sides.

 

[NcnsBcfc]

33 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

No, no it's the opposite. It's really easy to just buy "Bristol City". You just have to buy Bristol City Holdings Limited. This is the whole structure of the group (so far as I can tell from freely available info on Companies House). To buy "Bristol City FC", plus Ashton Gate, you just cut the branch as shown below.

Pula Sport would be left with all of the centre and right of this chart, and a new owner could walk off with the Football side. Bristol Sport could easily continue as a Basketball and Rugby organisation, and if it wanted to add some sort of rudimentary football club, then it could buy Mangotsfield, Bristol Manor Farm, or any other lower league Bristol based football team.

FYI, the initials in ( ) are the various directors of each company.

Apologies in the way I phrased it @ExiledAjax

I meant without City, the rest of the organisation (Bears possibly excluded) looks somewhat low key.

In other topics on this forum, we spoke about the Sports village, and how key City would be to that as a project.

Without the Jewel in the Crown of AG (and City), no doubt the key individual's concerned would struggle to make the financial gains out of the project, that they no doubt hope to attain.

[NcnsBcfc]

43 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

No, no it's the opposite. It's really easy to just buy "Bristol City". You just have to buy Bristol City Holdings Limited. This is the whole structure of the group (so far as I can tell from freely available info on Companies House). To buy "Bristol City FC", plus Ashton Gate, you just cut the branch as shown below.

Pula Sport would be left with all of the centre and right of this chart, and a new owner could walk off with the Football side. Bristol Sport could easily continue as a Basketball and Rugby organisation, and if it wanted to add some sort of rudimentary football club, then it could buy Mangotsfield, Bristol Manor Farm, or any other lower league Bristol based football team.

FYI, the initials in ( ) are the various directors of each company.

Do the fans still hold 1% of the share holding?

I remember being contacted for my shares by Pula Sport last year. Offering £10 per share. If i turned it down, they were using some form of compulsory purchase to turn that share into capital that would be used in the Academy? 

Not sure if I've got that completely right, it's been a long 21 months for everyone.

I've been buying and selling City shares for a long time through Cartwrights, and then Burgess Salmon Solicitors. Had some in 1982, than a Silver share subscriber in the 90's.

[pillred]

1 hour ago, MarcusX said:

I could be wrong, but one thing I find rather unique about our situation (in my 30 years as a supporter) is I dont ever remember us being so shit and avoding relegation (except where we've changed manager and been saved)

At least in the past when we've been shit it hasnt tended to last too long. We have one or two bad seasons, go down, make big changes and come back up.

We've never been this consistently shit for this long in the last 30 years, and I think we're going to survive this season because of Derby and 2 teams being even shitter than us!

This is probably where someone corrects me

 

Sounds about right, what a shambles though relying on the ineptitude of others, A few years ago it looked like we had finally established ourselves in the Championship and I couldn't see us making the same mistakes of the past, how wrong I was.

[ExiledAjax]

4 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

I meant without City, the rest of the organisation (Bears possibly excluded) looks somewhat low key.

In other topics on this forum, we spoke about the Sports village, and how key City would be to that as a project.

True, without the Football Club, the rest of the Group is a lot smaller, and certainly more 'low key'. 

Re the Sports Village, I believe that the land that is to be built on is owned by yet another company "Esteban Investments Limited". That is the company that made the relevant planning application at any rate, again without paying Land Registry search fees I can't be totally certain. That company is owned by Pula Sports Limited, but it is not part of the Bristol City Holdings Limited group. Pula Sport (aka "the Lansdowns") could feasibly sell "Bristol City FC" whilst keeping the "Sporting Quarter". So again, although geographically next door to AG, the Sporting Quarter isn't actually tied to it or to "the Club".

[NcnsBcfc]

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

True, without the Football Club, the rest of the Group is a lot smaller, and certainly more 'low key'. 

Re the Sports Village, I believe that the land that is to be built on is owned by yet another company "Esteban Investments Limited". That is the company that made the relevant planning application at any rate, again without paying Land Registry search fees I can't be totally certain. That company is owned by Pula Sports Limited, but it is not part of the Bristol City Holdings Limited group. Pula Sport (aka "the Lansdowns") could feasibly sell "Bristol City FC" whilst keeping the "Sporting Quarter". So again, although geographically next door to AG, the Sporting Quarter isn't actually tied to it or to "the Club".

Thanks.

Can't help feeling that if the Lansdowns were to sell City, then the momentum behind the project would be lost though somehow.

Hence, why they are looking for "Investment" at this stage, rather than an actual buyer.

That position may well change of course, if this Village doesn't get planning permission, or after it is actually built; and everybody takes their proverbial piece of the pie.

[YorkshireSection]

5 hours ago, VT05763 said:

This is not us.

I agree. My guess would be Swansea or Huddersfield. Random feeling.

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Ashton Gate is owned by Ashton Gate Limited, which is owned by Bristol City Holdings Limited, the company that also owns Bristol City Football Club Limited. Bristol City Holdings Limited is then owned by Pula Sport. The Rugby Club is separate from the football element, and certainly doesn't own Ashton Gate stadium. As others have said, when you talk about selling the "Club", there needs to be some accuracy regarding what exactly is being talked about. As I understand it the entity that files accounts for P&S purposes, and so is likely the one registered as a member of the EFL, is Bristol City Holdings Limited. If that entity was sold as a share sale, then the stadium would go with it as it is owned by a subsidiary.

 

So it’s possible to buy/sell the ground with Bristol City FC but not mandatory.  
 

If the ground were to be sold to a company with Bristol City this one assumes would make Bristol Rugby squatters/renters at AG. Of course it could be argued they already are, but the clubs have the same owner currently thus it’s unlikely SL will want to kick them out.

I would also suggest the value of  Bristol Sport would be damaged well beyond the proceeds of the sale of AG and BCFC 

[pongo88]

1 hour ago, Ivorguy said:

Not sure that is correct because if AG and  BCFC go together a new purchaser might well not want to ground share with rugby. And rugby would be left with ground.

 

As Ihavesaid for years BS is a potential nightmare for all.  It clearly has failed to deliver what was expected of it, ie a Bristol Barcelona.  It is a broken model.

IMO having Bristol Rugby at the ground would appeal to a buyer as this would bring in extra revenue. Looking at ground share from an opposite perspective, Wasps Rugby club bought the Ricoh Stadium when it moved from High Wycombe and subsequently allowed Coventry football club to ground share. 

[East End Old Boy]

2 hours ago, Galley is our king said:

Well in my 55+ years I certainly do. The manager? Alan Dicks who just survived annually for many years.

He eventually got a team together based around young players who got us promoted to the top flight.

Lesson for us all there which some of us learned many years ago....

As Jonesey would say "DON'T PANIC"

This is soooo true!

Who could ever forget the chant “Dicks Out” and some did!

[sh1t_ref_again]

1 hour ago, Ivorguy said:

OK then that means that SL’s flagship idea of BS will be dead in the water and it would be legitimate to question what degree of harm it has done over the years to BCFC.

All I am interested in is that SL and son get out of my club

Since when has it been your club, think the rest of us fans have an equal emotional input. Unless of course you have the 100 plus million quid to buy and desire to underwrite the ongoing losses, then it will  be your club. 

[frenchred]

1 hour ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Oh the irony of saying I'm on auto repeat, after commenting on the most negative poster on here whose ever post is sack NP or similar

The point being he only comes on and posts the usual nonsense when we lose to try and get a ground swell of support for his minority views.

As for half decent post, why should SL comment publicly after a loss it would serve no benefit what so ever and even if he did the usual anti SL mob would find something to moan about what is said. 

Just because someone has a different view he shouldn't be slagged off, you could reverse your second paragraph to those who support him and only come on when we win!

I don't believe anyone is asking him for an update each time we lose, but the silence is deafening. As fans (not customers) we should all be informed, this would make us a more inclusive club.

As a thought why can't he put a couple of updates out per year and publicise in advance, say at the start of the year, then we would know when we would hear from him? Just a thought