And Its Smith Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Our record of signing players over 32 that seemingly no other teams want is not great. Let’s hope Klose breaks the mould King - done okay Simpson - poor signing Brunt - poor signing Mariappa - poor signing Williams - did okay Gilmartin - didn’t play Maenpaa - good signing O’Neil - poor signing Probably £3-4m spent on wages of these players. Maybe signing on fees on top. Overall it’s not great reading. Personally I would play the younger players and try to see if they improve rather than sign another player well past his best when we aren’t going to go down 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Our record of signing players over 32 that seemingly no other teams want is not great. Let’s hope Klose breaks the mould King - done okay Simpson - poor signing Brunt - poor signing Mariappa - poor signing Williams - did okay Gilmartin - didn’t play Maenpaa - good signing O’Neil - poor signing Probably £3-4m spent on wages of these players. Maybe signing on fees on top. Overall it’s not great reading. Personally I would play the younger players and try to see if they improve rather than sign another player well past his best when we aren’t going to go down Generally yes but this is a specific position where due to injuries we are weak as piss and as Nige correctly says it is not sustainable to be going into every game needing to score at least twice to get a point out of it and three to four times to get a win. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: Generally yes but this is a specific position where due to injuries we are weak as piss and as Nige correctly says it is not sustainable to be going into every game needing to score at least twice to get a point out of it and three to four times to get a win. We are desperate for a centre bank as the majority of us know. Moore is gone, Cundy is untried at this level. With our financial difficulties this signing makes perfect sense. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, Red Army 75 said: We are desperate for a centre bank as the majority of us know. Moore is gone, Cundy is untried at this level. With our financial difficulties this signing makes perfect sense. Yes, low cost and low risk signing which is where we are as a club anyway!! As others have said, if the guy is over his injuries we have a very capable centre half for the rest of the season. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: We are desperate for a centre bank as the majority of us know. Moore is gone, Cundy is untried at this level. With our financial difficulties this signing makes perfect sense. Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) Andy King - ten league starts, two of which he's not completed because of injury, one of which he was sent off in. Two sub apps. And a hamstring injury that'll probably keep him out for a while. Done okay? We have a pretty low bar if we think that. Edited January 27, 2022 by firstdivision 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, firstdivision said: Andy King - Ten league starts, two of which he's not completed because of injury, one of which he was sent off in. Two sub apps. And a hamstring injury that'll probably keep him out for a while. Done okay? We have a pretty low bar if we think that. I agree. I looked on each signing as favourably as possible. One could argue that the injuries are unlucky and one could also argue signing older players increases chance of having injured players. We have signed another player with injury concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Our record of signing players over 32 that seemingly no other teams want is not great. Let’s hope Klose breaks the mould King - done okay Simpson - poor signing Brunt - poor signing Mariappa - poor signing Williams - did okay Gilmartin - didn’t play Maenpaa - good signing O’Neil - poor signing Probably £3-4m spent on wages of these players. Maybe signing on fees on top. Overall it’s not great reading. Personally I would play the younger players and try to see if they improve rather than sign another player well past his best when we aren’t going to go down Disagree re Mariappa. 4/8 isn't great still, but older signings are normally low pay high risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 It will be interesting whether he starts. As long as we aren’t getting drawn into a relegation dogfight (and we currently seem to be getting just enough points to avoid that) I’d honestly rather see Pring, Vyner, Atkinson getting game time. Not saying we don’t need him (on Tuesday I think we had no central defender on the np bench) but I kind of hope it’s not to start every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I agree. I looked on each signing as favourably as possible. One could argue that the injuries are unlucky and one could also argue signing older players increases chance of having injured players. We have signed another player with injury concerns. You only have to look at his injury record to know he's not been 'unlucky' with injuries this season. He's started 8 first-team games since 2018. The last time he started 20+ games in a season was 2014, more than seven years ago. Sometimes I despair with our recruitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose Moore is finished at Bristol City 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose He's not good enough and we're skint so that's why we're signing Klose. Its a risk but it's short term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose Moore isn’t good enough at this level, he has been given more than enough opportunities in a Bristol City shirt and has failed to deliver. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose Could have… but imagine a back 4 CB pairing of Vyner and Moore. Jeez, that was dark day under Holden when both signed new long term deals. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 It makes perfect sense to sign Klose despite his history of injuries. He’s vastly experienced with a very decent CV and without Baker city are yet again short of a decent CB to play alongside Kalas. Klose has been training with City and Nige will have had a good look at him and decided to offer him a deal - just in time for the visit to Deepdale on Saturday. He’ll be in he matchday squad for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose Can’t agree with that, great lad but too prone to defensive mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, bris red said: Moore isn’t good enough at this level, he has been given more than enough opportunities in a Bristol City shirt and has failed to deliver. Bang on. Moore need to move on permanently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, RedRoss said: He's not good enough and we're skint so that's why we're signing Klose. Its a risk but it's short term. Klose probably on more wages than Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Free signing and a experienced CV to go with it not a bad signing to have around the place in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Street red said: Free signing and a experienced CV to go with it not a bad signing to have around the place in my view. We have spent £3-4m on the ‘free’ signings above. Moore would do a job until the end of the season and we ain’t going down. Not gonna lose sleep over it mind you ! Edited January 27, 2022 by And Its Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose Moore is nowhere near good enough at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 57 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose It could quite easily be the case that Klose’s wages are lower than what we are getting from Hearts. Just throwing made up numbers out there, but say Moore is on £12k p.w (remember the new contract he got?) of which Hearts are contributing 50%, it’s conceivable that we might be paying Klose less than £6k p.w. There’s also the intangible that him staying at Hearts might mean we shift him in the summer (to Hearts or whoever), saving £600k in wages next year and a small amount of amortisation (about £40k). We might even get a fee too. Plus there’s also the other bit that Nige doesn’t think he’s good enough…that’s probably the most important factor! (Personally I don’t think he’s as bad as made out on here, but that’s immaterial) Edited January 27, 2022 by Davefevs 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born and Red in 82 Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 Season ending injury for Klose away at Preston…..Pending! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 40 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Klose probably on more wages than Moore How can you be sure? Klose was unemployed, and finances for all clubs are tight, so he was hardly in a position to negotiate a high wage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Could have recalled Moore instead of signing Klose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 makes perfect sense to me.if kalas got a whack round the swede wed be buggered for 4 weeks waiting for protocol etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 29 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It could quite easily be the case that Klose’s wages are lower than what we are getting from Hearts. Just throwing made up numbers out there, but say Moore is on £12k p.w (remember the new contract he got?) of which Hearts are contributing 50%, it’s conceivable that we might be paying Klose less than £6k p.w. There’s also the intangible that him staying at Hearts might mean we shift him in the summer (to Hearts or whoever), saving £600k in wages next year and a small amount of amortisation (about £40k). We might even get a fee too. Plus there’s also the other bit that Nige doesn’t think he’s good enough…that’s probably the most important factor! (Personally I don’t think he’s as bad as made out on here, but that’s immaterial) I agree. I'd like to see if he could iron out the errors if he was given the opportunity that Vyner's been given. At the end of the day, he hasn't had a run in the team. He's shown flashes of potential, but admittedly been error prone. But for me, he's a better defender and footballer than Zak and I think his errors could be coached out of him. Like you say though, Nige obviously doesn't agree, so it's all immaterial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lew-T said: What I wrote isnt untrue. Someone said Moore isn’t here. I simply stated he could be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: We have spent £3-4m on the ‘free’ signings above. Moore would do a job until the end of the season and we ain’t going down. Not gonna lose sleep over it mind you ! I don’t think it’s a case of whether we are at risk of going down or not. It’s about trying to improve the team in all aspects of play and building momentum. Moore is done here so no point bringing him back as he wouldn’t improve us. Hopefully Klose will help improve our ability to defend from crosses and set pieces and so help improve our chances of winning games and so building momentum which you carry through into next season. You feel with the way that the team is progressing at the moment that the squad is very bought into improving and building into next season and the one after. “On the bus” as Nige calls it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted January 27, 2022 Report Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: We have spent £3-4m on the ‘free’ signings above. Moore would do a job until the end of the season and we ain’t going down. Not gonna lose sleep over it mind you ! Moore won't be back a player we can get a fee for, Think he burnt his bridges in training a reason he's out on loan and not come back even though we are short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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