Mason Greenwood

[The Batman]

3 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Glad my questions were taken in the way it was meant, just a general thought really.

I’d be surprised if Rashford didn’t know who Wiley was, but it’s plausible he didn’t know about the comments. 

I think you’re probably right about Tommy Robinson example though not specifically in that circumstance. It’s a little different if the questionable person is bigger than the people they’re having a photo with - I was trying to think of a better example but couldn’t but get the point you’re making 

 

Yeah I knew what you meant by it. 

I get my example wasnt quite apples with apples but I was multitasking and couldn't think of anyone else off the top of my head. 

How about David Starkey? As if any footballer would be in a photo with him anyway

[PHILINFRANCE]

On 30/01/2022 at 18:04, mozo said:

The comparison of Rashford and Greenwood I find interesting. Both young millionaires with everything handed on a plate. One is potentially abusive (putting it mildly), and one is altruistic. 

So is this nature or nurture or if both where do the two meet?

I don't know anything about Mason Greenwood's background, but I did read (following the current scandal) that he won a competition as a model as a very young boy, receiving a cheque and a year's guidance with an agency.

I have also read several articles about Marcus Rashford's childhood and how, just like Leeds' Kalvin Phillips, they grew up in virtual poverty and were heavily influnced by their mother.

The latter two appear to have developed into thoroughly decent young men.

A coincidence, perhaps, but Mum usually knows best, and it would do these young stars a lot of good if they would remember their roots, rather than let their privileged position go to their heads.

 

[The Batman]

"Futher arrested on suspicion of sexual assault and threats to kill"

 

[Silvio Dante]

Has been further arrested on suspicion of sexual assault and threats to kill.

[Super]

Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean?

[cityal]

1 minute ago, Super said:

Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean?

I am sure @Fordy62 will be able to answer - but i presume in the course of these investigations further offences came to light so they have arrested him again for those.

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, Super said:

Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean?

Means you can keep him banged up longer I think.................

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Super said:

Sorry if its a dumb question but what does further arrested mean?

@Fordy62!

Reading the statement, I think it’s that they have established through the questioning of Greenwood they have enough to extend the potential charges, and as opposed to having to give a charge/no charge in the normal timeframe, the additional charges are both a way to increase (correctly assumedly) what he may be on the hook for and subsequently allow further time to hold him.

The statement still refers to one victim, so it must continue to relate to his (hopefully ex) partner.

[YCbrs]

23 hours ago, The Batman said:

Not been a good week for Man Utd. 

Started off with Rashford and Lingard spending time and being photo'd with drill rapper Wiley, who I can only describe as a Nazi sympathiser based on what he said about Jewish people. Both Rashford and Lingard asked their pr companies to put up half assed apologies on twitter and must use the same one due to the strange choice of the same word. (if you know, you know) 

And now news about Greenwood has come out. More to this story but I don't want to speculate because of legalities but if you piece things together, it becomes clearer. Like why Southgate didn't select him after Iceland. More to it than just the hotel quarentine breech. 

He’s a grime rapper, never made a drill song in his life. And despite his views outside of the music scene which I don’t agree with, he pretty much invented the genre so can understand why they wanted their photos taken with him. He also has several mental health problems so can see that he may have said some things on social media that he probably regrets a lot now.

[Fordy62]

28 minutes ago, cityal said:

I am sure @Fordy62 will be able to answer - but i presume in the course of these investigations further offences came to light so they have arrested him again for those.

Right… so it’s fair to say that after the social media allegations GMP had reasonable grounds to suspect he’d committed the offences of rape and assault. He was therefore arrested. 

I would assume that the further arrested means that post his arrest GMP discovered evidence of further offences they now had cause to suspect him of committing. My assumption would be that these would have come through obtaining a statement from the complainant which they probably didn’t have prior to his arrest. 

It doesn’t mean a great deal to be honest, other than that there are other offences that they’re now looking at. It doesn’t give them any more time, but as someone suggested, the range of offences has now increased. 

Being a betting man, I’d suggest a charge is round the corner and he’ll be held by police until court the day after he’s charged. My bet would then be that some highly paid barrister will manage to get him bail further on down the line. 

Edit: I’d definitely have a cheeky ton on him being charged tomorrow. Looks like GMP are really going to town on him - you rarely see Mags Court extensions for anything other than murder. I think he’d have been released by now if they weren’t going to charge him - but I suppose I am wrong on occasions!

Edited February 1, 2022 by Fordy62

[BTRFTG]

57 minutes ago, YCbrs said:

He’s a grime rapper, never made a drill song in his life.

That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time.

[pillred]

23 hours ago, SimonR said:

Maybe I come from a different era but this is very clever (and funny) if it's true he could well end up somewhere like this.

[pillred]

6 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time.

Chris Farlowe?

[Sir Geoff]

Could be a decent local Lags Eleven (remember the Beano) in 12 months time, Mendy, Giggs, Greenwood.

[BTRFTG]

1 minute ago, pillred said:

Chris Farlowe?

I'm old enough to be able to sing his Stones cover, though Atomic Rooster were never my bag. As to whether he's more Grime than Drill, wouldn't have a Scooby.

[Southport Red]

9 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time.

To help you out. 
 

A grime wrapper is something (usually and old newspaper) that you use to encase something oily or greasy so you don’t get it all over your hands. 

[BTRFTG]

2 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Could be a decent local Lags Eleven (remember the Beano) in 12 months time, Mendy, Giggs, Greenwood.

Barton as Manager?

[In the Net]

Meanwhile, Raith Rovers have signed rapist David Goodwillie - and their CEO, who presumably would have sanctioned this, is female.  Prosecuters did not pursue the case through the Courts, but Godwillie and another player were ordered to each pay the victim £50,000 through a civil court hearing.

Life long supporter, novelist Val McDermid will no longer sponsor their shirts, and has destroyed her season ticket.

[Fordy62]

5 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Meanwhile, Raith Rovers have signed rapist David Goodwillie - and their CEO, who presumably would have sanctioned this, is female.  Prosecuters did not pursue the case through the Courts, but Godwillie and another player were ordered to each pay the victim £50,000 through a civil court hearing.

Life long supporter, novelist Val McDermid will no longer sponsor their shirts, and has destroyed her season ticket.

Proper order. 

[YCbrs]

39 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time.

Haha, drill is awful in my opinion, and I’m only 27. Grime is like fast rap that takes significant skill but drill is just talking about shooting people and stabbing people constantly with absolutely minimal ‘flow’ in terms of rapping skill. My opinion obviously but younger people seem to enjoy it I guess so guess I’m not a target audience

[PHILINFRANCE]

30 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

I'm old enough to be able to sing his Stones cover, though Atomic Rooster were never my bag. As to whether he's more Grime than Drill, wouldn't have a Scooby.

Wow, I had almost forgotten all about them.

Tomorrow Night and Devil's Answer.

[BTRFTG]

46 minutes ago, In the Net said:

Meanwhile, Raith Rovers have signed rapist David Goodwillie - and their CEO, who presumably would have sanctioned this, is female.  Prosecuters did not pursue the case through the Courts, but Godwillie and another player were ordered to each pay the victim £50,000 through a civil court hearing.

Life long supporter, novelist Val McDermid will no longer sponsor their shirts, and has destroyed her season ticket.

Lest not forget we were once interested in him......

[BTRFTG]

25 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Wow, I had almost forgotten all about them.

Tomorrow Night and Devil's Answer.

They should have left it at the Crazy World of Arthur Brown as without a front-man sporting  blazing antlers there's only one way to go (and it ain't upward...)

[BTRFTG]

28 minutes ago, YCbrs said:

Haha, drill is awful in my opinion, and I’m only 27. Grime is like fast rap that takes significant skill but drill is just talking about shooting people and stabbing people constantly with absolutely minimal ‘flow’ in terms of rapping skill. My opinion obviously but younger people seem to enjoy it I guess so guess I’m not a target audience

Thanks for the explanation but I began to get confused when hip-hop morphed into rap and other than Eminem my old-gimmer response has always been:"What's that they said ..."

[Red-Robbo]

2 hours ago, YCbrs said:

He’s a grime rapper, never made a drill song in his life. And despite his views outside of the music scene which I don’t agree with, he pretty much invented the genre so can understand why they wanted their photos taken with him.

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

That single sentence confirms the sad realisation that I am, signally, a man out of time.

 

I was going to make the same point as YCbrs, but didn't really want to get pulled into the thread just to show I'm a 58-year-old music nerd.

Oh shit. I just have.  

[Sir Geoff]

19 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

They should have left it at the Crazy World of Arthur Brown as without a front-man sporting  blazing antlers there's only one way to go (and it ain't upward...)

Bringing Ginger Baker in for a while must have helped.

[MrWilson]

1 hour ago, pillred said:

Chris Farlowe?

https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/pop-singer-chris-farlowe-with-nazi-memorabilia-in-his-secondhand-shop-stall-at-camden-passage-box-661-101501164-ajpg-5742095a

[BRIAN WILSON]

1 hour ago, pillred said:

Chris Farlowe?

Hey its not a Greenwood song, its by Stones 

 

Just trying to inject a bit of humour in an extreme shitstorm of a story 

Edited February 1, 2022 by BRIAN WILSON

[BRIAN WILSON]

An interesting Statement by Raith Rovers over the Goodwillie signing

They obviously understood and considered the gravity of what opinion such a signing would make BUT it does beg the question WHY ??? considering the ramifications (losing main sponsor/Directors etc...) 

 

As announced on our website last night, Raith Rovers FC can confirm that we have signed David Goodwillie from Clyde FC.

David is a proven goal scorer, and this will be his second stint with the club, having previously played for us on loan from Dundee United during season 2007-08.

As with all new signings, the club has carefully considered our position as a Community Club and we completely respect the differing views among fans and stakeholders, many of whom we have spoken to directly in the past 24 hours and are continuing to engage with.

As David has previously played for Raith Rovers earlier in his career, we consider him to be part of Raith Rovers Football Club. The management team is familiar with David’s career and background and – in particular – his footballing ability. That is our foremost consideration, and we believe that he will strengthen the Raith Rovers playing squad.

Please be assured that as a community football club we fully acknowledge this signing has divided opinion amongst our loyal fans and commercial stakeholders; We aim to rebuild that trust.

While acknowledging the gravity of what happened ten years ago, as a club we fully support and encourage rehabilitation, and many factors influenced our signing.

First and foremost, this was a football related decision.

[The Batman]

3 minutes ago, BRIAN WILSON said:

 

First and foremost, this was a football related decision.

Course it is. Its what I've been saying the whole time about football clubs somehow being a beacon of social justice and showing zero tolerance towards discrimination of any kind.

No they're not. It makes them feel good about themselves but when the chips are down, it all goes out the window. 

Just watched a YouTube video of 2 United fans talking about the greenwood situation. They believe the club knew about what he'd "allegedly" done back in late 2020 and covered it up because they wanted to finish in the top 4 and win the Europa league, and if Sir Alex knew and turned a blind eye to it then his statue should be taken down and the stand renamed. 

[Ian M]

9 minutes ago, BRIAN WILSON said:

An interesting Statement by Raith Rovers over the Goodwillie signing

They obviously understood and considered the gravity of what opinion such a signing would make BUT it does beg the question WHY ??? considering the ramifications (losing main sponsor/Directors etc...) 

 

As announced on our website last night, Raith Rovers FC can confirm that we have signed David Goodwillie from Clyde FC.

David is a proven goal scorer, and this will be his second stint with the club, having previously played for us on loan from Dundee United during season 2007-08.

As with all new signings, the club has carefully considered our position as a Community Club and we completely respect the differing views among fans and stakeholders, many of whom we have spoken to directly in the past 24 hours and are continuing to engage with.

As David has previously played for Raith Rovers earlier in his career, we consider him to be part of Raith Rovers Football Club. The management team is familiar with David’s career and background and – in particular – his footballing ability. That is our foremost consideration, and we believe that he will strengthen the Raith Rovers playing squad.

Please be assured that as a community football club we fully acknowledge this signing has divided opinion amongst our loyal fans and commercial stakeholders; We aim to rebuild that trust.

While acknowledging the gravity of what happened ten years ago, as a club we fully support and encourage rehabilitation, and many factors influenced our signing.

First and foremost, this was a football related decision.

A director stepped down, the fans liaison quit, the women's captain left the club, the shirt sponsor cancelled their contract....

 

[Maesknoll Red]

20 minutes ago, The Batman said:

Course it is. Its what I've been saying the whole time about football clubs somehow being a beacon of social justice and showing zero tolerance towards discrimination of any kind.

No they're not. It makes them feel good about themselves but when the chips are down, it all goes out the window. 

Just watched a YouTube video of 2 United fans talking about the greenwood situation. They believe the club knew about what he'd "allegedly" done back in late 2020 and covered it up because they wanted to finish in the top 4 and win the Europa league, and if Sir Alex knew and turned a blind eye to it then his statue should be taken down and the stand renamed. 

A Manager who left in 2013 and is 80 years old, why would he have any idea what the current players were doing in their private lives?

[The Batman]

2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

A Manager who left in 2013 and is 80 years old, why would he have any idea what the current players were doing in their private lives?

He's still involved with the club on the board of directors. He still has a major role in club matters. 

You're right though, he may not have known .... But solskjaer has history of covering for players who commit sex crimes.... Google babacar sarr. 

 

[Maesknoll Red]

1 minute ago, The Batman said:

He's still involved with the club on the board of directors. He still has a major role in club matters. 

You're right though, he may not have known .... But solskjaer has history of covering for players who commit sex crimes.... Google babacar sarr. 

 

If there are people at Man U who knew the truth, then I doubt it was many, how could it have been kept quiet other wise, surely golden boy Rashford with his social conscience would have blown the lid if he’d known, wouldn’t he?

[The Batman]

Just now, Maesknoll Red said:

If there are people at Man U who knew the truth, then I doubt it was many, how could it have been kept quiet other wise, surely golden boy Rashford with his social conscience would have blown the lid if he’d known, wouldn’t he?

You're funny. 

They wanted champions league football and to win the Europa league. As if they'd drop one of their top young talents in the process. 

The key is the Everton game that he missed in November 2020. An arrest was made on a Manchester based player around that time and he missed the Everton game due to "illness". Course once the Mendy stuff came out, everyone thought it was him..... Well.... 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manutd.com/en/amp/news/detail/solskjaer-reveals-why-greenwood-missed-everton-1-man-utd-2-on-7-nov-2020

Could be nothing. Could just be a nasty coincidence. 

[Maesknoll Red]

4 minutes ago, The Batman said:

You're funny. 

They wanted champions league football and to win the Europa league. As if they'd drop one of their top young talents in the process. 

The key is the Everton game that he missed in November 2020. An arrest was made on a Manchester based player around that time and he missed the Everton game due to "illness". Course once the Mendy stuff came out, everyone thought it was him..... Well.... 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manutd.com/en/amp/news/detail/solskjaer-reveals-why-greenwood-missed-everton-1-man-utd-2-on-7-nov-2020

Could be nothing. Could just be a nasty coincidence. 

I just can’t believe that if this was widely known in the club that it could be kept secret and more importantly there wouldn’t be at least some employees, be they players or other staff that wouldn’t take some sort of stand.  But then, if the girl and her family wanted to hush it up as well, who knows, maybe my slim hope of some decency left in the world is misguided.

[The Batman]

7 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I just can’t believe that if this was widely known in the club that it could be kept secret and more importantly there wouldn’t be at least some employees, be they players or other staff that wouldn’t take some sort of stand.  But then, if the girl and her family wanted to hush it up as well, who knows, maybe my slim hope of some decency left in the world is misguided.

It will come out in due course. Let the relevant authorities do their due dilligence and necessary enquiries and all will become clear (hopefully). 

Now on to Friday nights game on ITV where United are home to Boro in the cup. Nome of the media (bbc, sky, bt sport etc) have never asked Everton why their record £45 million signing and highest earner hasn't played all season (don't ) so I expect some carpet sweeping on Greenwood too. Protect the brand and all that. 

[YCbrs]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I was going to make the same point as YCbrs, but didn't really want to get pulled into the thread just to show I'm a 58-year-old music nerd.

Oh shit. I just have.  

That’s impressive for a 58 year old mate fair play to you!

[Maesknoll Red]

5 minutes ago, The Batman said:

It will come out in due course. Let the relevant authorities do their due dilligence and necessary enquiries and all will become clear (hopefully). 

Now on to Friday nights game on ITV where United are home to Boro in the cup. Nome of the media (bbc, sky, bt sport etc) have never asked Everton why their record £45 million signing and highest earner hasn't played all season (don't ) so I expect some carpet sweeping on Greenwood too. Protect the brand and all that. 

I have no idea how Everton’s record signing is, I will admit I have gone from being pretty fanatical, not missing one of our games and watching any games on TV, so having a good idea of players through the leagues, to feeling somewhat indifferent to football now, can’t exactly put my finger on why, probably a few reasons.

[Northern Red]

13 minutes ago, The Batman said:

It will come out in due course. Let the relevant authorities do their due dilligence and necessary enquiries and all will become clear (hopefully). 

Now on to Friday nights game on ITV where United are home to Boro in the cup. Nome of the media (bbc, sky, bt sport etc) have never asked Everton why their record £45 million signing and highest earner hasn't played all season (don't ) so I expect some carpet sweeping on Greenwood too. Protect the brand and all that. 

You realise there isn't much they can say, yes? Especially if he's been charged by that point.

[Taz]

1 hour ago, The Batman said:

Course it is. Its what I've been saying the whole time about football clubs somehow being a beacon of social justice and showing zero tolerance towards discrimination of any kind.

No they're not. It makes them feel good about themselves but when the chips are down, it all goes out the window. 

Just watched a YouTube video of 2 United fans talking about the greenwood situation. They believe the club knew about what he'd "allegedly" done back in late 2020 and covered it up because they wanted to finish in the top 4 and win the Europa league, and if Sir Alex knew and turned a blind eye to it then his statue should be taken down and the stand renamed. 

 

28 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I just can’t believe that if this was widely known in the club that it could be kept secret and more importantly there wouldn’t be at least some employees, be they players or other staff that wouldn’t take some sort of stand.  But then, if the girl and her family wanted to hush it up as well, who knows, maybe my slim hope of some decency left in the world is misguided.

Quite a few of the squad have already "unfollowed" him on his social media account(s), and were quick to do so from what I read.

Something like that wouldn't have been kept a secret, because stuff like that gets out.

If anybody did know about it, then they are as guilty as he is (or could be).

He's done. Whether he goes down for it or not, there isn't no coming back from that.

[The Batman]

3 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

You realise there isn't much they can say, yes? Especially if he's been charged by that point.

Reminds me of the Manchester Derby earlier in the season. It was just after the Yorkshire cricket story about the racist abuse the player received and Martin Tyler said on commentary that footballers were leading the way on social justice...... Didn't say why Mendy wasn't playing though.... 

We will see what happens come Friday evening

[Red-Robbo]

41 minutes ago, YCbrs said:

That’s impressive for a 58 year old mate fair play to you!

 

As you say, different genres entirely. Wiley certainly popularised grime and made chart-friendly versions which brought mainstream success  - so many have followed in his footsteps. I would say I was a fan of his flow and word-play, but his recent outbursts have taken him off my playlists. I have Jewish family. I can't forgive. 

[Isawjonshaw]

3 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Wow, I had almost forgotten all about them.

Tomorrow Night and Devil's Answer.

I’ve got “In the hearing of” somewhere 

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 minutes ago, Isawjonshaw said:

I’ve got “In the hearing of” somewhere 

I was never ‘in’ to Atomic Rooster, so never bought or even listened to any of their albums; I just used to like those two singles, presumably from hearing them on Radio One.

[southside]

7 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I was never ‘in’ to Atomic Rooster, so never bought or even listened to any of their albums; I just used to like those two singles, presumably from hearing them on Radio One.

I liked those two singles as well

[Phileas Fogg]

10 hours ago, Taz said:

 

Quite a few of the squad have already "unfollowed" him on his social media account(s), and were quick to do so from what I read.

Something like that wouldn't have been kept a secret, because stuff like that gets out.

If anybody did know about it, then they are as guilty as he is (or could be).

He's done. Whether he goes down for it or not, there isn't no coming back from that.

I'm always a bit cynical about this, but given that most Man Utd players social media accounts will be largely managed for them - I am not sure this is that significant. 

As you say though, awful if others knew about it or even had an inkling but did nothing.

Innocent until proven guilty etc - but I really hope he isn't able to make this "go away" on account of having money. 

[Numero Uno]

6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I'm always a bit cynical about this, but given that most Man Utd players social media accounts will be largely managed for them - I am not sure this is that significant. 

As you say though, awful if others knew about it or even had an inkling but did nothing.

Innocent until proven guilty etc - but I really hope he isn't able to make this "go away" on account of having money. 

Unless it is proven that the issue was totally fabricated by his girlfriend it will not go away regardless of the final outcome. If he's reached the threshold to be charged (given it is common knowledge how incredibly difficult the offences he's being investigated for are to pass the charging threshold) the damage is done regardless of whether some top London QC does his stuff on behalf of Greenwood in court.

[Phileas Fogg]

11 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Unless it is proven that the issue was totally fabricated by his girlfriend it will not go away regardless of the final outcome. If he's reached the threshold to be charged (given it is common knowledge how incredibly difficult the offences he's being investigated for are to pass the charging threshold) the damage is done regardless of whether some top London QC does his stuff on behalf of Greenwood in court.

Let’s hope so. I’m not shocked by much, but the pictures were awful and that audio recording absolutely appalling.

[Taz]

35 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I'm always a bit cynical about this, but given that most Man Utd players social media accounts will be largely managed for them - I am not sure this is that significant. 

As you say though, awful if others knew about it or even had an inkling but did nothing.

Innocent until proven guilty etc - but I really hope he isn't able to make this "go away" on account of having money. 

That is a good point to be fair, just another example of them not being able to do anything themselves!

I'd be amazed if anyone knew about it, as there's a fine line between lads having "banter" and outright abuse, and this very clearly falls into the latter. Any half decent human being wouldn't be able to not do anything after hearing about something like this.

Can you imagine what would have happened if someone like Keane was still around now? I don't think it would be a prison cell he'd be in right now put it that way!!

SAF had his finger on the pulse all those years ago when you hear about the antics of the younger players around at the time, and the network of "informants" for want of a better word, he had reporting back to him. Think about the players he got rid of because they were more trouble than they were worth - talented but trouble - Lee Sharpe, Ravel Morrison, Paul Pogba (no comment) just to name a few off the top of head.

[Bannerman]

6 minutes ago, Taz said:

That is a good point to be fair, just another example of them not being able to do anything themselves!

I'd be amazed if anyone knew about it, as there's a fine line between lads having "banter" and outright abuse, and this very clearly falls into the latter. Any half decent human being wouldn't be able to not do anything after hearing about something like this.

Can you imagine what would have happened if someone like Keane was still around now? I don't think it would be a prison cell he'd be in right now put it that way!!

SAF had his finger on the pulse all those years ago when you hear about the antics of the younger players around at the time, and the network of "informants" for want of a better word, he had reporting back to him. Think about the players he got rid of because they were more trouble than they were worth - talented but trouble - Lee Sharpe, Ravel Morrison, Paul Pogba (no comment) just to name a few off the top of head.

Giggs???

[grifty]

12 hours ago, The Batman said:

It will come out in due course. Let the relevant authorities do their due dilligence and necessary enquiries and all will become clear (hopefully). 

Now on to Friday nights game on ITV where United are home to Boro in the cup. Nome of the media (bbc, sky, bt sport etc) have never asked Everton why their record £45 million signing and highest earner hasn't played all season (don't ) so I expect some carpet sweeping on Greenwood too. Protect the brand and all that. 

To be fair I don’t think it is fair to be asking the football manager leading questions about a pending court case. They are not lawyers or spokesmen, they are football managers.

Trying to misconstrue Ragernicks words to get a click bait headline is out of order.

Any statement should come from the clubs lawyers or official social media accounts so not to affect the legal proceedings.

[Bristol Rob]

4 minutes ago, TomF said:

Released on bail pending further investigations 

Not sure how these things work (having never been in that sort of position), but can you only be remanded once charged?

[The Batman]

Each case has to be taken on its own merits. Same happened with Mendy. He was released on bail then charged and went to prison and is now out on bail again pending trial. It'll be subject to a whole host of conditions, passport surrendering, no contact with people etc. 

Just to highlight my point again, let the necessary justice procedures take their course. 

[Fordy62]

42 minutes ago, TomF said:

Released on bail pending further investigations 

Oh wow. That’s a massive development. Didn’t expect that at all. 

[Fordy62]

39 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Not sure how these things work (having never been in that sort of position), but can you only be remanded once charged?

Yes mate. People often get confused with the difference between charged and convicted. 

Charged means the lawyer thinks there’s a realistic prospect of conviction. You remand someone once charged because you think they’ll interfere with witnesses or commit further offences if they were released ion bail. If you don’t think this is the case then you must have all the evidence in your case, if you need to remand then a lawyer will agree for you to have a proportion of the evidence provided that more will be forthcoming during the investigation while the person awaits their trial in prison. 

This all sounds a bit technical!

[Kashmir]

30 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Oh wow. That’s a massive development. Didn’t expect that at all. 

Pardon my ignorance on this, is this good or bad for Greenwood?

[Fordy62]

11 minutes ago, Kashmir said:

Pardon my ignorance on this, is this good or bad for Greenwood?

Good. We don’t know what’s going to happen in the long term but essentially it’s charged Ivor not charged. Not charged is always better!

[Ziderarmy]

19 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

Right… so it’s fair to say that after the social media allegations GMP had reasonable grounds to suspect he’d committed the offences of rape and assault. He was therefore arrested. 

I would assume that the further arrested means that post his arrest GMP discovered evidence of further offences they now had cause to suspect him of committing. My assumption would be that these would have come through obtaining a statement from the complainant which they probably didn’t have prior to his arrest. 

It doesn’t mean a great deal to be honest, other than that there are other offences that they’re now looking at. It doesn’t give them any more time, but as someone suggested, the range of offences has now increased. 

Being a betting man, I’d suggest a charge is round the corner and he’ll be held by police until court the day after he’s charged. My bet would then be that some highly paid barrister will manage to get him bail further on down the line. 

Edit: I’d definitely have a cheeky ton on him being charged tomorrow. Looks like GMP are really going to town on him - you rarely see Mags Court extensions for anything other than murder. I think he’d have been released by now if they weren’t going to charge him - but I suppose I am wrong on occasions!

You got most of that wrong again then…

You’re also a imaginary £100 down…

Edited February 2, 2022 by ziderheadarmy

[Fordy62]

28 minutes ago, ziderheadarmy said:

You got most of that wrong again then…

You’re also a imaginary £100 down…

I was indeed wrong! Goodness me! Thankfully it was an imaginary £100. 

[Maltshoveller]

4 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

GoodWillie , Mendy and Greenwood sharing the  headlines on the same day . Football really has got to get its act together . It has pushed heavily kicking racism out of sport , justifiably. Could we now see a much stronger concerted effort at kicking rapists and violence against women out of football and a greater support for keeping women safe . It just seems to me these issues get brushed under the proverbial carpet after the initial outrage with no ongoing efforts or attempts to raise the profile/impact of these incidents made . 
 

In an age when everyone seems to be outraged at verbal abuse and opinion, how can such physical abuse against women not carry a stronger , more visible and ultimately consistent wrath . Leading to change . 

Huge complex subject . But something has to change and football needs to do more . 
 

 

Sorry but this is a society in general problem 

As long as nothing changes there nothing will change much in football 

[Red-Robbo]

1 hour ago, billywedlock said:

GoodWillie , Mendy and Greenwood sharing the  headlines on the same day . Football really has got to get its act together . It has pushed heavily kicking racism out of sport , justifiably. Could we now see a much stronger concerted effort at kicking rapists and violence against women out of football and a greater support for keeping women safe . It just seems to me these issues get brushed under the proverbial carpet after the initial outrage with no ongoing efforts or attempts to raise the profile/impact of these incidents made . 
 

In an age when everyone seems to be outraged at verbal abuse and opinion, how can such physical abuse against women not carry a stronger , more visible and ultimately consistent wrath . Leading to change . 

Huge complex subject . But something has to change and football needs to do more . 
 

 

 

Totally agree. They are all different cases though.

Goodwillie has been found guilty of rape by a court (yes, I know it was a civil case, but it heard the evidence and convicted). I think the SFA and FA should jointly make it a rule that anyone convicted of rape and a number of other serious offences cannot play professional football. We know players are looked up to by young boys. We cannot normalise sexual violence by letting such a man participate in such a public sport.

Mendy is accused of horrific crimes and is awaiting trial. He's suspended. If convicted - and the little I've seen looks damning for him - I can't imagine him ever earning a living in the sport again. Even if a non-European club might be tempted to hire a serial rapist, he'll serve too long to be in contention on release.

Greenwood - I imagine the senior officers in the case are talking with the CPS about the likelihood of making charges stick. But even without charges, that audio would make me want to instantly release him from his contract if I was Man U.  Unless he has very good proof that wasn't him, or was in some way faked, he should be history, even if he isn't charged and convicted.

Which all bring us on to what audio and body cam footage will show us about the behaviour of a Mr Joseph Barton, when his case resumes in March. Being forgiven and excused by the victim doesn't mean you aren't violent towards women. Unacceptable. Danny Simpson, that goes for you too. You're in a well-paid job where higher standards of behaviour should be demanded than trying to choke your missus because you were in a temper. I didn't want him here. I still don't. His presence taints our club. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Red-Robbo

[The Batman]

3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Mendy is accused of horrific crimes and is in custody awaiting trial. As such he's de facto suspended. If convicted - and the little I've seen looks damning for him - I can't imagine him ever earning a living in the sport again. Even if a non-European club might be tempted to hire a serial rapist, he'll serve too long to be in contention on release.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-60216445.amp

Mendy was released on bail recently but today, has another rape charge against him. 

We also have the Everton player who we cannot name but that is still ongoing, and that involves a child. 

[Hxj]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Goodwillie has been found guilty of rape by a court (yes, I know it was a civil case, but it heard the evidence and convicted). I think the SFA and FA should jointly make it a rule that anyone convicted of rape and a number of other serious offences cannot play professional football.

He wasn't found guilty or convicted so this is wandering into dangerous grounds.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Hxj

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, Hxj said:

He wasn't found guilty or convicted so this is wandering into dangerous grounds.

 

He was convicted on the balance of probabilities in a civil court after a trial that heard the evidence and heard his defence. Nothing I wrote is dangerous.

6 minutes ago, The Batman said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-60216445.amp

Mendy was released on bail recently but today, has another rape charge against him. 

We also have the Everton player who we cannot name but that is still ongoing, and that involves a child. 

 

Good points. 

[Hxj]

3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

He was convicted on the balance of probabilities in a civil court

He was found liable to pay damages in a civil court, saying that is correct,  That is not a conviction.  That is why it is wandering into dangerous grounds.  

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, Hxj said:

He was found liable to pay damages in a civil court, saying that is correct,  That is not a conviction.  That is why it is wandering into dangerous grounds.  

It isn't a criminal conviction and I never said it was.  OJ Simpson was not criminally convicted of murder, but he was likewise found legally liable (in his case for two murders).  Were he still an active sportsman, I'd argue that he should be debarred from appearing on that basis.  

[myol'man]

Interesting article from Ian Landyman in the Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10461457/IAN-LADYMAN-Fixers-clubs-turning-blind-eye-fuel-stars-sense-entitlement-women.html

 

 

[Numero Uno]

1 hour ago, The Batman said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-60216445.amp

Mendy was released on bail recently but today, has another rape charge against him. 

We also have the Everton player who we cannot name but that is still ongoing, and that involves a child. 

We can say it isn't Fabian Delph though. That will do!!

[The Constant Rabbit]

6 hours ago, myol'man said:

Interesting article from Ian Landyman in the Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10461457/IAN-LADYMAN-Fixers-clubs-turning-blind-eye-fuel-stars-sense-entitlement-women.html

 

 

Indeed, and as widely suspected by the realists on here:

"Do the clubs know? Very often, yes. Pre-season and indeed post-season tours are particularly fertile breeding grounds for these hook-ups. Sometimes, with two big clubs in the same part of the world at the same time, they can involve players from more than one team.

In terms of coaches, managers and staff, they have been known simply to look the other way."