Admin phantom Posted January 30, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: Has the story only come to light after her phone was hacked hence why the media have only just got the story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When the river runs Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 He obviously sounds like a nasty piece of work. I think his career is far from over though unfortunately, as there will be a club who will pay his wages no matter how much of a **** he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: It’s a very hard offence to prove. It mostly happens behind closed doors, without Cctv or witnesses and forensic evidence is largely quashed by the ‘it was consensual’ line. Our justice system is designed to protect the innocent and sadly, that’s probably to the detriment of persons who are raped. The conviction rate is completely unacceptable. Something needs to be done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Anyone know if this is true, or a made up photo you get on the internet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Arrested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Who? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 55 minutes ago, Monkeh said: It's as if giving young people who haven't matured and are mollyculadded millions of pounds is a bad idea The comparison of Rashford and Greenwood I find interesting. Both young millionaires with everything handed on a plate. One is potentially abusive (putting it mildly), and one is altruistic. So is this nature or nurture or if both where do the two meet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Conviction rates continue to be embarrassingly low though. Most rapists get away with it That’s because it’s incredibly difficult to prove. Usually no witnesses, rarely video or audio evidence - it’s one persons word against another and our justice system is based upon innocent until proven guilty How would you suggest more rapists are punished without the evidence to convict them? 56 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: Has the story only come to light after her phone was hacked hence why the media have only just got the story Sounds like it’s only been reported to police now, seems like it may have been happening for a while and she’s not spoke out. Also rumour her phone was hacked 6 minutes ago, TomF said: Odd statement from her Dad. I’d not be worried about the police investigating him, I’d be more worried about them trying to stop me going after him if it was my daughter Very odd, seemed more annoyed that it was in the public domain rather than the fact it happened - like he was worried about people knowing about it. Perhaps that’s a bit unfair, hard to get the context from a written statement like that, he’s probably been told not to say too much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 Just now, mozo said: The comparison of Rashford and Greenwood I find interesting. Both young millionaires with everything handed on a plate. One is potentially abusive (putting it mildly), and one is altruistic. So is this nature or nurture or if both where do the two meet? There are wrong un's in all walks of life, not sure I buy that it is an inherent problem football has. Whatever the punishment is for the crime he has committed should be applied to him fully 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, mozo said: The comparison of Rashford and Greenwood I find interesting. Both young millionaires with everything handed on a plate. One is potentially abusive (putting it mildly), and one is altruistic. So is this nature or nurture or if both where do the two meet? I don’t think Rashford is someone who can be accused of having “everything handed on a plate” which is actually probably why he’s the man he is now 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 13 minutes ago, TomF said: Odd statement from her Dad. I’d not be worried about the police investigating him, I’d be more worried about them trying to stop me going after him if it was my daughter Really really strange. Like you say I’d be preoccupied trying to get MG filled in as opposed worrying about statements if it was my girl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, mozo said: Both young millionaires with everything handed on a plate. I know nothing of Greenwood's upbringing but that alone can be a gift or a curse depending on the individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I don’t think Rashford is someone who can be accused of having “everything handed on a plate” which is actually probably why he’s the man he is now Okay maybe I should have added 'since being a pro footballer'. My comparison stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, MarcusX said: That’s because it’s incredibly difficult to prove. Usually no witnesses, rarely video or audio evidence - it’s one persons word against another and our justice system is based upon innocent until proven guilty How would you suggest more rapists are punished without the evidence to convict them? Sounds like it’s only been reported to police now, seems like it may have been happening for a while and she’s not spoke out. Also rumour her phone was hacked Very odd, seemed more annoyed that it was in the public domain rather than the fact it happened - like he was worried about people knowing about it. Perhaps that’s a bit unfair, hard to get the context from a written statement like that, he’s probably been told not to say too much I don’t need to suggest alternatives to be angry about low conviction rates. Don’t think anyone should be satisfied that justice is currently being done on rape cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, TomF said: I just get this weird vibe he’s trying to protect his darlings money fund. I dunno it’s a bit like Ched Evans father in law stance which - even though he was found innocent in the end - was just bizarre Yep, that’s exactly what I thought as well; ‘didn’t want it released’ ‘part of the family’ ‘very much in love’. Any right minded father surely wouldn’t be saying those things to anyone, let alone releasing a statement to the nation about it. Really odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 The sleaze bucket has now been arrested. I do, however, wonder how long this has been going on. Fair play to Harriet for making it public. Personally, I hope it destroys his career. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 54 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: The conviction rate is completely unacceptable. Something needs to be done It's hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt, Greenwood's case there is evidence but most of the time it's his word against hers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 53 minutes ago, northsomersetred said: Anyone know if this is true, or a made up photo you get on the internet? That's what I was alluding to in my post earlier but stopped short of saying what it was. There's a few more of those dotted around. 37 minutes ago, TomF said: Odd statement from her Dad. I’d not be worried about the police investigating him, I’d be more worried about them trying to stop me going after him if it was my daughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 39 minutes ago, TomF said: Odd statement from her Dad. I’d not be worried about the police investigating him, I’d be more worried about them trying to stop me going after him if it was my daughter He's lucky; many other dads would want to show him what oven cleaner tastes like after seeing the photos and listening to the audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, TomF said: I just get this weird vibe he’s trying to protect his darlings money fund. I dunno it’s a bit like Ched Evans father in law stance which - even though he was found innocent in the end - was just bizarre Not guilty/acquitted rather than innocent Sorry to be pedantic but I think there’s a significant difference between the two. Don’t want to derail though, that’s a whole can of worms in itself! 18 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I don’t need to suggest alternatives to be angry about low conviction rates. Don’t think anyone should be satisfied that justice is currently being done on rape cases. ive made this point with someone before, may have been you, I’m not satisfied at all however it’s incredibly difficult to prosecute when it’s one word against another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: He's lucky; many other dads would want to show him what oven cleaner tastes like after seeing the photos and listening to the audio. One city fan I follow on twitter said her dad wouldn't be so forgiving with that response if greenwood worked at McDonald's. Just after his future son in laws big bank balance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 minute ago, The Batman said: One city fan I follow on twitter said her dad wouldn't be so forgiving with that response if greenwood worked at McDonald's. Just after his future son in laws big bank balance. Sadly this could be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: The conviction rate is completely unacceptable. Something needs to be done 100% mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, Monkeh said: It's hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt, Greenwood's case there is evidence but most of the time it's his word against hers I know why it’s low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) I've not heard the recording, or particularly seen the story so this is absolutely no defence of Greenwood - but is nobody else surprised that a thread regarding a live criminal case likely to end up in Crown Court has been started by a serving police officer? In what world is that remotely appropriate? I did jury service last year and wasn't even allowed to talk to anyone. Mental. Edited January 30, 2022 by jonb 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, lenred said: Really really strange. Like you say I’d be preoccupied trying to get MG filled in as opposed worrying about statements if it was my girl! I think the police would be dealing with a serious GBH charge as a minimum if it happened to my daughter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, jonb said: I've not heard the recording, or particularly seen the story so this is absolutely no defence of Greenwood - but is nobody else surprised that a thread regarding a live criminal case likely to end up in Crown Court has been started by a serving police officer? In what world is that remotely appropriate? I did jury service last year and wasn't even allowed to talk to anyone. Mental. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, jonb said: I've not heard the recording, or particularly seen the story so this is absolutely no defence of Greenwood - but is nobody else surprised that a thread regarding a live criminal case likely to end up in Crown Court has been started by a serving police officer? In what world is that remotely appropriate? I did jury service last year and wasn't even allowed to talk to anyone. Mental. This years bizarre post winner is……… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 (edited) The relevance is appropriate behaviour/standards in public life. Let me give you a comparison - I'm a Civil Servant, and a Labour party member. I am expressly forbidden from active campaigning and make a point (because I'm a professional) not to get involved in conversations about Boris Johnson, or any political issue - however much I might like to. There is absolutely precedent for this - I wouldn't expect a local councillor to weigh in the media on a sensitive planning issue ahead of judicial review, I wouldn't expect a Civil Servant to talk politics and I sure as hell wouldn't expect anyone in the criminal justice system to be discussing live criminal cases on the Internet- different force or not. Edited January 30, 2022 by jonb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 30, 2022 Report Share Posted January 30, 2022 14 minutes ago, jonb said: I've not heard the recording, or particularly seen the story so this is absolutely no defence of Greenwood - but is nobody else surprised that a thread regarding a live criminal case likely to end up in Crown Court has been started by a serving police officer? In what world is that remotely appropriate? I did jury service last year and wasn't even allowed to talk to anyone. Mental. It's a different force and a story is being reported in the media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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