Superjack Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Just now, Rob k said: They were 3rd when he was sacked 2 points off the top, they are now 7th and 13 points off the top The remit of anybody given the Sunderland job in League One is to get promotion. He didn't. Just like he didn't here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Superjack said: The remit of anybody given the Sunderland job in League One is to get promotion. He didn't. Just like he didn't here. He got sacked in January - when they were 3rd!! Not sure any team in the history of the football league has been promoted by then 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rob k said: He got sacked in January - when they were 3rd!! Not sure any team in the history of the football league has been promoted by then Swindon 1 1 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, Rob k said: He got sacked in January - when they were 3rd!! Not sure any team in the history of the football league has been promoted by then Assist 14 minutes ago, BCFC Richard said: Swindon Goal ️️️ 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 13 hours ago, italian dave said: 11th……2nd……heights we only dream of now…. Those were the days! And I hope you don’t mind me saying, but your forum name really should have been a character often referenced but never seen in Only Fools And Horses ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waconda Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Assist Goal ️️️ Can't wait for LJ to be announced here - oh the tantrums !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 30 minutes ago, Waconda said: Can't wait for LJ to be announced here - oh the tantrums !! No doubt, you’ll have had many more forum names before that happens. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 18 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Wonder Coach inherited Cotts Promotion side , plus Kodja (And had us in a real relegation scrap 18 months into his ‘reign’, despite signings and Abraham’s goals) Pearson inherited a demotivated , shambolic squad , lacking leaders or cohesion ....... the squad left behind by ...........Johnson & Holden To be fair that’s incredibly selective. He inherited a side who were already in a relegation scrap and left them in mid table, with some highs and lows along the way. Yes financially him (but mainly Ashton) screwed us over, but positionally we haven’t seen anything better than under LJ as a club since his dad, 13 years ago 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 FWIW having just renewed my season ticket, I for one will be very pissed off if NP ISN'T here. I think without him Saturdays game would have nothing else on it except who finishes bottom, us or Peterborough! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 22 hours ago, Lew-T said: Let’s be honest, the only two hits LJ had out of 942 players was Brownhill and Webster. What about engvall, and about 50 goalies to replace fielding? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_V1 Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 5 hours ago, JBFC II said: To be fair that’s incredibly selective. He inherited a side who were already in a relegation scrap and left them in mid table, with some highs and lows along the way. Yes financially him (but mainly Ashton) screwed us over, but positionally we haven’t seen anything better than under LJ as a club since his dad, 13 years ago I think he was referring to the Tammy season where we survived the game before last day of the season. I think a lot have forgotten just a how dire LJ’s first full season was 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Andrew_V1 said: I think he was referring to the Tammy season where we survived the game before last day of the season. I think a lot have forgotten just a how dire LJ’s first full season was I'm pretty sure that the game you refer to was NOT his first full season, but the (less than) half season when he took over from Cotts, where we were in the relegation zone and heading for an immediate return back down to League 1, before he guided us back to safety (with a little help from Pembo in the first instance). It would be more accurate to suggest that a lot have forgotten just how dire the first half of our first Championship season was under Cotts!!!! Love him, like him, dislike him or hate him, we NEVER looked like relegation after that under LJs tenure - in fact, I don't think we ever dropped into the bottom 3. Whatever one's opinion is of LJ, our final league position improved EVERY season year on year under his tenure until his sacking. The league table doesn't lie. I thought LJs first FULL season wasn't that bad really - just the frustration of falling away towards the end - which became something of a trademark of his. Edited April 7, 2022 by bcfcredandwhite Add words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_V1 Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said: I'm pretty sure that the game you refer to was NOT his first full season, but the (less than) half season when he took over from Cotts, where we were in the relegation zone and heading for an immediate return back down to League 1, before he guided us back to safety (with a little help from Pembo in the first instance). It would be more accurate to suggest that a lot have forgotten just how dire the first half of our first Championship season was under Cotts!!!! Love him, like him, dislike him or hate him, we NEVER looked like relegation after that under LJs tenure - in fact, I don't think we ever dropped into the bottom 3. Whatever one's opinion is of LJ, our final league position improved EVERY season year on year under his tenure until his sacking. The league table doesn't lie. I thought LJs first FULL season wasn't that bad really - just the frustration of falling away towards the end - which became something of a trademark of his. Nope his first full season we survived on the penultimate game by winning away at Brighton. The first full season we started well results wise but had to come back from behind virtually every week then the wheels fell off. Same season we had the famous interview with SL refusing to sack him for a horrendous run basically saying it’s my toy I put more money in. The following seasons cup exploits have really clouded peoples memory as that first full season was an absolute shambles 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said: I thought LJs first FULL season wasn't that bad really - just the frustration of falling away towards the end - which became something of a trademark of his. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said: I'm pretty sure that the game you refer to was NOT his first full season, but the (less than) half season when he took over from Cotts, where we were in the relegation zone and heading for an immediate return back down to League 1, before he guided us back to safety (with a little help from Pembo in the first instance). It would be more accurate to suggest that a lot have forgotten just how dire the first half of our first Championship season was under Cotts!!!! Love him, like him, dislike him or hate him, we NEVER looked like relegation after that under LJs tenure - in fact, I don't think we ever dropped into the bottom 3. Whatever one's opinion is of LJ, our final league position improved EVERY season year on year under his tenure until his sacking. The league table doesn't lie. I thought LJs first FULL season wasn't that bad really - just the frustration of falling away towards the end - which became something of a trademark of his. Think you need to recheck your memories 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 Oops sorry - I stand corrected. LJs first season was exactly as described. I’d forgotten. I’m right about them improving every season though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Andrew_V1 said: I think he was referring to the Tammy season where we survived the game before last day of the season. I think a lot have forgotten just a how dire LJ’s first full season was I’m aware what season he was referring to. I still think it’s very selective from the poster though, totally ignoring where we were at when LJ took over and even where we ended up at the end of that season. There was clear improvements on the pitch (aided by the financial support no doubt), even when comparing the 16/17 season to the 15/16, under Cotts, where we were looking incredibly likely to go down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 23 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Those were the days! And I hope you don’t mind me saying, but your forum name really should have been a character often referenced but never seen in Only Fools And Horses ... Ha ha! I'm not sure what Paddy the Greek has to do with it though I was - as you probably realised - being deliberately provocative. But at the same time I think @Davefevs made a good point and I don't buy into this whole 'everything LJ did=bad, everything NP does=good' AND vice versa mantra that seems to drive so much of the discussion on the subject. They are both just the same as other managers - they have their strengths, they have their weaknesses. They have things going on that we probably know little about and they are put in positions often outside their control that influence how they perform. LJ - I think increasingly evident in retrospect - suffered from having to work with MA. NP suffers from being appointed to run a club that's for years been built around a style of football that's alien to him. Not being critical of either style - just making the point. And I'm not having a go at you specifically either - but I just felt that using league positions as the stick to beat LJ with was perhaps one of the less appropriate - if there's one thing LJ objectively improved during his time here it was our league position. Top half of the Championship for more than half his time here, and the first manager I can remember for best part of 40 years whose got us to an "established" position in one of the top two leagues - by which I mean not on most people's list of likely relegation candidates at the start of each season! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 7, 2022 Report Share Posted April 7, 2022 44 minutes ago, italian dave said: Ha ha! I'm not sure what Paddy the Greek has to do with it though I was - as you probably realised - being deliberately provocative. But at the same time I think @Davefevs made a good point and I don't buy into this whole 'everything LJ did=bad, everything NP does=good' AND vice versa mantra that seems to drive so much of the discussion on the subject. They are both just the same as other managers - they have their strengths, they have their weaknesses. They have things going on that we probably know little about and they are put in positions often outside their control that influence how they perform. LJ - I think increasingly evident in retrospect - suffered from having to work with MA. NP suffers from being appointed to run a club that's for years been built around a style of football that's alien to him. Not being critical of either style - just making the point. And I'm not having a go at you specifically either - but I just felt that using league positions as the stick to beat LJ with was perhaps one of the less appropriate - if there's one thing LJ objectively improved during his time here it was our league position. Top half of the Championship for more than half his time here, and the first manager I can remember for best part of 40 years whose got us to an "established" position in one of the top two leagues - by which I mean not on most people's list of likely relegation candidates at the start of each season! Yep, not the messiah, not a naughty boy either. Certain things bugged the hell out of me, other bits I thought he was good at. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 On 05/04/2022 at 11:12, Davefevs said: I like Ainsworth too. I also like Paul Warne. Neither are massively young, both are 48. Of the younger bunch, I like Duff. Liam Manning has a lot of fans. Sacked by MK Dons today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 31 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Sacked by MK Dons today. 90 points last season….crazy how quickly things change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, petehinton said: 90 points last season….crazy how quickly things change. Darling and Twine moved on in the summer, O’Reilly went to Celtic last Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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