He's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy....

[bcfcredandwhite]

To some people, all our mistakes and failings on the pitch are STILL the fault of Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson. 'Sir' Nigel can do no wrong; when things go right he's brilliant and when things go wrong it's all down to LJ and MA - REALLY???

Lets look at some of Nigel Pearson's bigger decisions in more detail:
He let Pato and Fammy leave on a free, but didn't replace either of them - to 'save wages' apparently. Ok, fair enough - we WERE skint - so what does he do? He goes and signs Simpson - on £15k per week.......... 
He refused play our most expensive 'assets' (Wells and Palmer) - or his own purchase, Simpson - which is fair enough if he doesn't think they are good enough (apart from Simpson - why sign him if he's ****?), ...... but then at the same time won't allow Wells to go to Cardiff or Swansea - who were both interested on taking him on loan, which would have saved us his wages AND put him in the shop window. Why? Maybe he was scared that he might start playing a tune under a different (better) manager who actually PLAYS him?!!
The official line is that Nigel didn't want to let Wells go to a Championship rival. IF Wells had been allowed to go and play in Wales - and gone on to score shedloads - it would have raised his stock and we would have been more likely to be able to offload him. Loans often turn into permanent moves and it could have been good for everyone. We were virtually safe at the time - and Nigel wasn't playing him anyway - so the risk to us was minimal.

None of the above makes common sense for a regime supposedly strapped for cash - we can't bleat on and on (blah blah blah) about money wasted by MA and LJ, when he goes and does this.

Kalas is another example of bizarre management - he had a GREAT Euro tournament for his country and has been one of our most reliable players for years - but Pearson dropped him from our first 11. Bizarre. This smells of a dressing-room fallout to me - a clash of egos maybe? At a time when we needed all the defensive firepower we could get.

At least Weimann is playing well though - thank Christ.

ALL the above have been MANAGEMENT decisions by 'sir' Nigel - and bloody poor ones. Nothing to do with LJ or MA - or even SL/JL

Nigel Pearson has been a poor manager so far. I'm extremely disappointed. I didn't expect promotion - I expected a period of 'settling down', but I did expect it to be better than this. I can't even describe what Nigel Pearson's 'style' of play is. 

No I still don't want NP sacked - yet - believe it or not, it IS possible to criticise the manager without wanting him replaced - and besides - it's only worth sacking someone if there is a better replacement available. However, I don't buy any more of this 'he inherited a **** squad' bollocks any more. He did his bit to CREATE the current '****' squad, so if the squad really IS '****' then it's partly of his own making.
To be fair to Nigel, it's just some of our FANS who are saying this, not Pearson himself.
He needs to do the job he's paid to do - lets not forget that he's being paid more than ANY other manager in the history of our club - EVEN MORE THAN LEE JOHNSON WAS!!
Some of his decisions defy logic and he really needs to step up. I'm really beginning to wonder if he is a 'one hit wonder' (with Leicester) - like Wilson was (with Barnsley). I seriously hope NOT - for all our sakes, but he's certainly NOT the messiah.

[Galley is our king]

Jeez, not another one!

Can't be arsed to read it all but NP is to blame for letting Fammy leave?

,....sorry but that was definitely ASHTON!!!! He even stated as much!

Edited April 13, 2022 by Galley is our king
Whoops

[Robbored]

It was Ashton who let Famara go and it was also Ashton who refused to pay Toney’s asking price and he ended up at Brentford - look where he is now.

[bearded_red]

Stopped reading after the suggestion that Danny Simpson was on 15k a week.

I’m sure the rest of your post was brilliant and I’m missing out.

[KegCity]

Simpson was paid nowhere near 15k a week.

Letting Paterson go wasn't a mistake and Famara didn't want to stay.

You're overrating Kalas massively, his performances have declined since Webster left. Obviously been reliable but he's got tremendous holes in his game.

There's plenty of valid criticisms of Pearson, just none of those.

[tin]

2 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

Stopped reading after the suggestion that Danny Simpson was on 15k a week.

I’m sure the rest of your post was brilliant and I’m missing out.

Beat me to it. Laughable to assert he was on £15k p/w, but whatever suits the agenda. 

[BasSavage88]

Im, not going to read all of that but I agree

[Sheltons Army]

‘He let Fammy go on a free’

’He signed Simpson on £15k a week’

 

 

At that point it was pointless reading on

........Lets make things up and make a new thread 

[Herta]

I like to give people a chance so forgave your wrongness on Fam and Simpson’s wages.

sadly I only got as far as the bit about refusing to play Palmer and I’m out too. 

We can’t expect NP to ignore the fact Palmer is shit and play him because of his wage packet…. What are you on about?? 

[Clutton Caveman]

12 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Simpson was paid nowhere near 15k a week.

Letting Paterson go wasn't a mistake and Famara didn't want to stay.

You're overrating Kalas massively, his performances have declined since Webster left. Obviously been reliable but he's got tremendous holes in his game.

There's plenty of valid criticisms of Pearson, just none of those.

I think the post Peterborough match interview was very telling

Nigel, a lot of frustration there from the fans today at the end, was it justified?

I’m not really too bothered by that to be fair. You’re here to ask me about the game aren’t you?

So he is not bother by the fans reaction. He should realise that fans one way or another pay his wages. The whole interview could be summed up as pure arrogance. It is always everybody's fault except his. If the team is not motivated it is HIS fault. Unsurprisingly they are not jumping through hoops to play for a man that throws them under the bus as every opportunity and speaks constantly about they instead or we. He has become a sort of Ricky Gervais character only running a football club instead of a paper merchant. I just read the interview again and I think he is bored with the job as it has turned our harder than he expected and would quite like to return to his retirement.

[Calculus]

I stopped ready at the point the OP said that NP let Fammy go on a free. Came back to it a bit later to see whether the rest was as bad. Wall to wall twaddle with a transparent agenda.

[BigTone]

I blame Robbored for all the clubs ills.

Why ? ......... Why not ?

Edited April 13, 2022 by BigTone

[TonyTonyTony]

Danny Simpson 15 grand a week? Is that myth still doing the rounds?....

[Super]

So how much was Simpson actually on? Whatever it was it was too much...

[bcfcredandwhite]

25 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

Stopped reading after the suggestion that Danny Simpson was on 15k a week.

I’m sure the rest of your post was brilliant and I’m missing out.

I'm surprised you read as far as that, considering its a thread actually trying to hold Nigel Pearson to account. 

Anyway, if you are interested, here you go:

Nahki Wells £27,000
Tomáš Kalas £22,000
Kasey Palmer £20,000
Andreas Weimann £18,000
Danny Simpson £15,000
Daniel Bentley £14,000
Matty James £14,000
Joe Williams £10,000
Nathan Baker £9,000
Callum O'Dowda £8,400
Chris Martin £8,400

Source: Bristol City 2022 Wages | Player & Team totals (salarysport.com)

 

[Homer Simpson]

I can't take your views on other people's decision making seriously. Not when you choose to live in Swindon.

[bearded_red]

Just now, bcfcredandwhite said:

 

Anyway, if you are interested, here you go

 

I’m not the slightest bit interested in some made up numbers from the internet, thanks though!

[Sheltons Army]

here you go:

Nahki Wells £35,000
Tomáš Kalas £2,000
Kasey Palmer £50,000
Andreas Weimann £1,000
Danny Simpson £35,000
Daniel Bentley £400
Matty James £1000
Joe Williams £40,000
Nathan Baker £7.50
Callum O'Dowda £400
Chris Martin £820

Source: Bristol City 2022 Wages | Player & Team totals (imakethingsup.com)

[glynriley]

4 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I'm surprised you read as far as that, considering its a thread actually trying to hold Nigel Pearson to account. 

Anyway, if you are interested, here you go:

Nahki Wells £27,000
Tomáš Kalas £22,000
Kasey Palmer £20,000
Andreas Weimann £18,000
Danny Simpson £15,000
Daniel Bentley £14,000
Matty James £14,000
Joe Williams £10,000
Nathan Baker £9,000
Callum O'Dowda £8,400
Chris Martin £8,400

Source: Bristol City 2022 Wages | Player & Team totals (salarysport.com)

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

2 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

I’m not the slightest bit interested in some made up numbers from the internet, thanks though!

So you don't believe the Wells and Palmer figures either then? Or is it just the Simpson figure you don't believe?

[Galley is our king]

1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said:

here you go:

Nahki Wells £35,000
Tomáš Kalas £2,000
Kasey Palmer £50,000
Andreas Weimann £1,000
Danny Simpson £35,000
Daniel Bentley £400
Matty James £1000
Joe Williams £40,000
Nathan Baker £7.50
Callum O'Dowda £400
Chris Martin £820

Source: Bristol City 2022 Wages | Player & Team totals (imakethingsup.com)

Blimey, no wonder no-one wants Palmer  

[bcfcredandwhite]

3 minutes ago, glynriley said:

So is everything on this forum

[bearded_red]

1 minute ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

So you don't believe the Wells and Palmer figures either then? Or is it just the Simpson figure you don't believe?

I don’t believe made up numbers from people guessing on the internet, it really is that simple.

Their guess on the two other players mentioned will be closer to being correct though, unlike the Simpson guess which may be the worst thing I’ve ever seen on the forum, to be honest.

[REDOXO]

There needs to be a clown emoji!

[Merrick's Marvels]

6 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

So is everything on this forum

Yep. Just some people can tell the difference between the "likely to be true" and the "likely to be bollocks" stuff.

You should try it, some time. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels

[Silvio Dante]

18 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I'm surprised you read as far as that, considering its a thread actually trying to hold Nigel Pearson to account. 

Anyway, if you are interested, here you go:

Nahki Wells £27,000
Tomáš Kalas £22,000
Kasey Palmer £20,000
Andreas Weimann £18,000
Danny Simpson £15,000
Daniel Bentley £14,000
Matty James £14,000
Joe Williams £10,000
Nathan Baker £9,000
Callum O'Dowda £8,400
Chris Martin £8,400

Source: Bristol City 2022 Wages | Player & Team totals (salarysport.com)

 

There is always a way to disprove things.

The easy way here is Weimann.

As seen above, for 2022 per that site he is on £18k p/w.

We know as fact we renegotiated his contract in summer 2021 as the option was at a higher level, and we did a three year deal on lower money. So logic confirms he was on more than £18k per week in 2020 etc.

Helpfully, Salarysport also gives the figures they’ve used for prior years. For Andi…

https://salarysport.com/football/player/andreas-weimann/

Yes, their salary for him in 2020 is the same as in 2022. Leading to the indisputable conclusion, they are totally guessing and have no idea who is paid what.

[Sheltons Army]

6 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

I don’t believe made up numbers from people guessing on the internet, it really is that simple.

Their guess on the two other players mentioned will be closer to being correct though, unlike the Simpson guess which may be the worst thing I’ve ever seen on the forum, to be honest.

Don’t knock the Internet

I’ve just checked the current League Table from the same site

 

Team	Pl	W	D	L	F	A	GD	Pts	Last 6
1	Fulham	40	25	8	7	94	35	59	83
2	Bournemouth	39	21	10	8	62	35	27	73
3	Bristol City	41	19	12	10	92	14	78	69
4	Nottingham Forest	39	19	10	10	61	36	25	67
5	Luton Town	41	18	11	12	59	47	12	65
6	Sheffield United	41	18	11	12	53	41	12	65
7	Blackburn Rovers	41	17	12	12	52	42	10	63
8	Middlesbrough	40	18	8	14	52	42	10	62
9	Millwall	41	16	13	12	45	40	5	61
10	Coventry City	41	16	11	14	54	51	3	59
11	Queens Park Rangers	41	17	8	16	55	53	2	59
12	West Bromwich Albion	41	15	12	14	45	40	5	57
13	Preston North End	41	14	15	12	43	46	-3	57
14	Barnsley	40	16	9	15	48	53	-5	57
15	Stoke City	41	15	10	16	53	47	6	55
16	Blackpool	40	14	11	15	44	47	-3	53
17	Peterborough United	40	14	7	19	47	61	-14	49
18	Birmingham City	41	11	12	18	43	60	-17	45
19	Huddersfield Town	41	12	9	20	52	73	-21	45
20	Hull City	41	12	8	21	34	45	-11	44
21	Reading *	41	12	7	22	48	77	-29	37
22	Swansea	40	6	11	23	30	59	-29	29
23	Derby County *	41	12	13	16	40	47	-7	28
24	Cardiff City (R)	41	0	8	33	34	82	-48	08

 

Im looking forward to the run in , and it shows what a great job Nigel Pearson is doing 

 

[Sir Geoff]

That has to be the biggest crock of sh.... that I have read on here for a long time.

Great foresight from NP. Contacting MA and SL 3 months before being offered the job to ask them to keep Fammy and run his contract down so that he would benefit from the so called 'value on the pitch decision.' Hilarious

[Lanterne Rouge]

11 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Don’t knock the Internet

I’ve just checked the current League Table from the same site

 

Team	Pl	W	D	L	F	A	GD	Pts	Last 6
1	Fulham	40	25	8	7	94	35	59	83
2	Bournemouth	39	21	10	8	62	35	27	73
3	Bristol City	41	19	12	10	92	14	78	69
4	Nottingham Forest	39	19	10	10	61	36	25	67
5	Luton Town	41	18	11	12	59	47	12	65
6	Sheffield United	41	18	11	12	53	41	12	65
7	Blackburn Rovers	41	17	12	12	52	42	10	63
8	Middlesbrough	40	18	8	14	52	42	10	62
9	Millwall	41	16	13	12	45	40	5	61
10	Coventry City	41	16	11	14	54	51	3	59
11	Queens Park Rangers	41	17	8	16	55	53	2	59
12	West Bromwich Albion	41	15	12	14	45	40	5	57
13	Preston North End	41	14	15	12	43	46	-3	57
14	Barnsley	40	16	9	15	48	53	-5	57
15	Stoke City	41	15	10	16	53	47	6	55
16	Blackpool	40	14	11	15	44	47	-3	53
17	Peterborough United	40	14	7	19	47	61	-14	49
18	Birmingham City	41	11	12	18	43	60	-17	45
19	Huddersfield Town	41	12	9	20	52	73	-21	45
20	Hull City	41	12	8	21	34	45	-11	44
21	Reading *	41	12	7	22	48	77	-29	37
22	Swansea	40	6	11	23	30	59	-29	29
23	Derby County *	41	12	13	16	40	47	-7	28
24	Cardiff City (R)	41	0	8	33	34	82	-48	08

 

Im looking forward to the run in , and it shows what a great job Nigel Pearson is doing 

 

They got it wrong and have revised it now. We`re second on 81 points so no need to worry about the playoffs.

Happy days!

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, bearded_red said:

Stopped reading after the suggestion that Danny Simpson was on 15k a week.

I’m sure the rest of your post was brilliant and I’m missing out.

Saved me posting the same thing, thanks.

What a clown.

[Sir Geoff]

8 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

They got it wrong and have revised it now. We`re second on 81 points so no need to worry about the playoffs.

Happy days!

So NP really is the Messiah. The OP was correct all along.

[Son of Fred]

1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

To some people, all our mistakes and failings on the pitch are STILL the fault of Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson. 'Sir' Nigel can do no wrong; when things go right he's brilliant and when things go wrong it's all down to LJ and MA - REALLY???

Lets look at some of Nigel Pearson's bigger decisions in more detail:
He let Pato and Fammy leave on a free, but didn't replace either of them - to 'save wages' apparently. Ok, fair enough - we WERE skint - so what does he do? He goes and signs Simpson - on £15k per week.......... 
He refused play our most expensive 'assets' (Wells and Palmer) - or his own purchase, Simpson - which is fair enough if he doesn't think they are good enough (apart from Simpson - why sign him if he's ****?), ...... but then at the same time won't allow Wells to go to Cardiff or Swansea - who were both interested on taking him on loan, which would have saved us his wages AND put him in the shop window. Why? Maybe he was scared that he might start playing a tune under a different (better) manager who actually PLAYS him?!!
The official line is that Nigel didn't want to let Wells go to a Championship rival. IF Wells had been allowed to go and play in Wales - and gone on to score shedloads - it would have raised his stock and we would have been more likely to be able to offload him. Loans often turn into permanent moves and it could have been good for everyone. We were virtually safe at the time - and Nigel wasn't playing him anyway - so the risk to us was minimal.

None of the above makes common sense for a regime supposedly strapped for cash - we can't bleat on and on (blah blah blah) about money wasted by MA and LJ, when he goes and does this.

Kalas is another example of bizarre management - he had a GREAT Euro tournament for his country and has been one of our most reliable players for years - but Pearson dropped him from our first 11. Bizarre. This smells of a dressing-room fallout to me - a clash of egos maybe? At a time when we needed all the defensive firepower we could get.

At least Weimann is playing well though - thank Christ.

ALL the above have been MANAGEMENT decisions by 'sir' Nigel - and bloody poor ones. Nothing to do with LJ or MA - or even SL/JL

Nigel Pearson has been a poor manager so far. I'm extremely disappointed. I didn't expect promotion - I expected a period of 'settling down', but I did expect it to be better than this. I can't even describe what Nigel Pearson's 'style' of play is. 

No I still don't want NP sacked - yet - believe it or not, it IS possible to criticise the manager without wanting him replaced - and besides - it's only worth sacking someone if there is a better replacement available. However, I don't buy any more of this 'he inherited a **** squad' bollocks any more. He did his bit to CREATE the current '****' squad, so if the squad really IS '****' then it's partly of his own making.
To be fair to Nigel, it's just some of our FANS who are saying this, not Pearson himself.
He needs to do the job he's paid to do - lets not forget that he's being paid more than ANY other manager in the history of our club - EVEN MORE THAN LEE JOHNSON WAS!!
Some of his decisions defy logic and he really needs to step up. I'm really beginning to wonder if he is a 'one hit wonder' (with Leicester) - like Wilson was (with Barnsley). I seriously hope NOT - for all our sakes, but he's certainly NOT the messiah.

What a lot of rot you do talk..

[bcfcredandwhite]

Ok so I dare to suggest that NP should be doing better and I’m a clown. 
I quote figures off the internet which are ‘made up’

Please share, oh wise and enlightened ones - what was Simpson on - and how many of the squad who drew 1-1 against 10 man Posh were signed by LJ/Ashton?

oops sorry - I read the results on the unreliable internet - maybe we won 4-0?

[Sheltons Army]

2 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Ok so I dare to suggest that NP should be doing better and I’m a clown. 
I quote figures off the internet which are ‘made up’

Please share, oh wise and enlightened ones - what was Simpson on - and how many of the squad who drew 1-1 against 10 man Posh were signed by LJ/Ashton?

oops sorry - I read the results on the unreliable internet - maybe we won 4-0?

I make it 5

(Pearson signed 3)

Is there a prize ?

 

[Red-Robbo]

11 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

What a lot of rot you do talk..

 

Prevent me from going mad by reminding me what programme this was from?

[Sweeneys Penalties]

7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Prevent me from going mad by reminding me what programme this was from?

On the Busses. He was married to Olive (played by Anna Karen)

[Fuber]

47 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

There is always a way to disprove things.

The easy way here is Weimann.

As seen above, for 2022 per that site he is on £18k p/w.

We know as fact we renegotiated his contract in summer 2021 as the option was at a higher level, and we did a three year deal on lower money. So logic confirms he was on more than £18k per week in 2020 etc.

Helpfully, Salarysport also gives the figures they’ve used for prior years. For Andi…

https://salarysport.com/football/player/andreas-weimann/

Yes, their salary for him in 2020 is the same as in 2022. Leading to the indisputable conclusion, they are totally guessing and have no idea who is paid what.

Also worth noting that Simpsons salary is taken from what he was earning at Huddersfield.

... 3 years ago, after leaving Leicester ...and they had parachute payments.

The page is purely speculation and guesses.

[Silvio Dante]

25 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Ok so I dare to suggest that NP should be doing better and I’m a clown. 
I quote figures off the internet which are ‘made up’

Please share, oh wise and enlightened ones - what was Simpson on - and how many of the squad who drew 1-1 against 10 man Posh were signed by LJ/Ashton?

oops sorry - I read the results on the unreliable internet - maybe we won 4-0?

Nobody is saying you’re a clown for suggesting Pearson should do better. It’s a valid viewpoint.

What you’re getting stuck for is the reliance on figures from a site which is clearly (and proven) guessing wages. There is no reason to suggest we’d have signed a 34 year old free agent right back who needed a trial as a top earner. You’re then getting stick for saying that he let Fam go, when it was totally clear he had no intent of staying.

You might have a point with should he have let Wells go to Cardiff, but the overall point is lost in your vitriolic logic being based around the Simpson assumption.

My suggestion would be to start a new thread, with criticism of Pearson not based around something clearly erroneous. Again, it’s a valid viewpoint but the hinge for this particular argument is too broken.

[Davefevs]

16 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Ok so I dare to suggest that NP should be doing better and I’m a clown. 
I quote figures off the internet which are ‘made up’

Please share, oh wise and enlightened ones - what was Simpson on - and how many of the squad who drew 1-1 against 10 man Posh were signed by LJ/Ashton?

oops sorry - I read the results on the unreliable internet - maybe we won 4-0?

Firstly…

…you are completely entitled to your opinion on NP.  There are some very good debates going back and forth.  I don’t think there’s any posters on here who think he’s the messiah, there are some that think he’s done well enough to not deserve a “results-based only” criticism.  There are some on the NP-negative side that put together well founded arguments as to their view.  It is this type of debate that makes OTIB a very good forum.

Secondly…
Re the numbers, there have been many, many posts over the past few years quoting websites like Sportrac, who promote their salary info as FACT.  It’s not not difficult to look behind these figures in terms of other media news, football manager websites, club quotes etc, and see that although some will be in the right ball-park, others are a combo of made-up / guesswork and out of date guesswork too.

For info, probably the most trusted ITKer on OTIB said Simpson’s re-signed contract in the summer was basically a coaches wage plus appearance money (or words to that effect).  Kid has given us some pretty good insight on player salaries.  That’s not to say he’s right, but he has historically had good contacts.

Re Weimann, the “story” is that he pretty much halved his wages to get 3 years.  Other clubs (Stoke we think) only wanted to give him 2 years.  Pearson actually stated words to that effect.  Silvio’s explanation  re Weimann is a good example of how to debunk the Sportrac stuff.

Re Baker, the “story” is he took quite a chunk off his wages and has a more “performance related” deal for his 2 year re-signed contract.  He was OOC in reality, tried the market and found out he couldn’t get what he thought he was worth.  Pearson backed up the lower wage bit, the other bit about “performance related” is conjecture.  But it’s pretty likely he’s no on the £18-20k p.w. he allegedly was on when he moved from Villa, having taken a relegation cut at Villa from a £35k p.w. PL deal.

The bits above aren’t me saying “I know” either, just me using what’s been reported / said to poo-Pooh those pesky websites.  I’ve not seen their contracts, nor have Sportrac!

Its up to you how much you want to take them at face value.

[Fuber]

24 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Ok so I dare to suggest that NP should be doing better and I’m a clown. 
I quote figures off the internet which are ‘made up’

Please share, oh wise and enlightened ones - what was Simpson on - and how many of the squad who drew 1-1 against 10 man Posh were signed by LJ/Ashton?

oops sorry - I read the results on the unreliable internet - maybe we won 4-0?

The key difference is that the latter is corroborated across multiple sources and witnesses and verified by credible authorities, individuals, and witnesses.

Ergo it can be critically analysed and confirmed factual.

Nobody can confirm the wages, it's as simple as that. Critiquing NP also does not make you a clown. 

What makes the original post laughable is drawing upon a random source as fact with no secondary evidence to corroborate. It's also (you may not be aware) been bought up before on the forum and widely written off as speculative at best.

Secondly, some of the other points you make can't be used to smear Pearson with as they are untrue (Diedhiou, Paterson) and are more applicable to Ashton.

With regards to Palmer, he's injured (again), and a waste of a wage.

With respect to Peterborough match, three of the players were signed by Pearson, two being free agents.

Wells' wages would almost pay the wages of all three, which is laughable.

[Merrick's Marvels]

I demand the return of the turd emoji! 

[bcfcredandwhite]

56 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

I make it 5

(Pearson signed 3)

Is there a prize ?

 

Yes - enlightenment. 
less than half the squad that performed on Saturday were LJs. 
more than a quarter was NPs. 
Yet for some on here it’s still LJs fault we’re shit. 
do you understand now? Are you getting it?

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

There needs to be a clown emoji!

 

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Saved me posting the same thing, thanks.

What a clown.

 

[Sheltons Army]

18 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

Yes - enlightenment. 
less than half the squad that performed on Saturday were LJs. 
more than a quarter was NPs. 
Yet for some on here it’s still LJs fault we’re shit. 
do you understand now? Are you getting it?

That was 5 Johnson signings in the eleven and 3 of Pearson’s so what’s your point ?

Yes , we still have some of the dross Johnson signed , largely , the ones we haven't been able to get rid off

Most of the squad are young players given their chance by Pearson whether by choice or necessity

If someone had a couple of poor games under Johnson , he’d buy two more for that position 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Sheltons Army

[bcfcredandwhite]

When I can be @rsed I will trawl through these replies and engage with those who want a sensible debate. 
The calibre and content of some of these responses have been expected and to continue responding is a waste of time - it’s a bit like trying to debate with the 3 eyed aliens in the Toy Story grab machine. 
‘turd imoji’ ok - good argument 
’your opinion doesn’t matter because you moved to Swindon…’ yeah ok. 
somewhere amongst all this piffle there are probably some good sensible responses. 
it might take me some time……

[Simon bristol]

Dont know if hes a naughty boy, but hes just about the worst manager, statically weve ever had. Performances are shocking, our defending is appalling, and good will amongst supporters to everyone at the club is very low. Weve made players millionaires when they should never have got those contracts, and it appears we are likely to get relegated next season.

pearson is crap. Ashton was a charlatan, lansdown got suckered in to giving repeated contracts to poor players and managers. We have 2/3 players with any type of transfer value and when they are sold we will be stuck with poor worthless players either injured or not very good. Or both. 
 

just as well we have a high performance centre.

[frenchred]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

It was Ashton who let Famara go and it was also Ashton who refused to pay Toney’s asking price and he ended up at Brentford - look where he is now.

Oh no it wasnt

[TV Tom]

2 hours ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I think the post Peterborough match interview was very telling

Nigel, a lot of frustration there from the fans today at the end, was it justified?

I’m not really too bothered by that to be fair. You’re here to ask me about the game aren’t you?

So he is not bother by the fans reaction. He should realise that fans one way or another pay his wages. The whole interview could be summed up as pure arrogance. It is always everybody's fault except his. If the team is not motivated it is HIS fault. Unsurprisingly they are not jumping through hoops to play for a man that throws them under the bus as every opportunity and speaks constantly about they instead or we. He has become a sort of Ricky Gervais character only running a football club instead of a paper merchant. I just read the interview again and I think he is bored with the job as it has turned our harder than he expected and would quite like to return to his retirement.

Did he honestly say that? I wouldn’t know because I stopped listening to him many months ago due to his rudeness and arrogance 

[Redandproud]

3 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

To some people, all our mistakes and failings on the pitch are STILL the fault of Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson. 'Sir' Nigel can do no wrong; when things go right he's brilliant and when things go wrong it's all down to LJ and MA - REALLY???

Lets look at some of Nigel Pearson's bigger decisions in more detail:
He let Pato and Fammy leave on a free, but didn't replace either of them - to 'save wages' apparently. Ok, fair enough - we WERE skint - so what does he do? He goes and signs Simpson - on £15k per week.......... 
He refused play our most expensive 'assets' (Wells and Palmer) - or his own purchase, Simpson - which is fair enough if he doesn't think they are good enough (apart from Simpson - why sign him if he's ****?), ...... but then at the same time won't allow Wells to go to Cardiff or Swansea - who were both interested on taking him on loan, which would have saved us his wages AND put him in the shop window. Why? Maybe he was scared that he might start playing a tune under a different (better) manager who actually PLAYS him?!!
The official line is that Nigel didn't want to let Wells go to a Championship rival. IF Wells had been allowed to go and play in Wales - and gone on to score shedloads - it would have raised his stock and we would have been more likely to be able to offload him. Loans often turn into permanent moves and it could have been good for everyone. We were virtually safe at the time - and Nigel wasn't playing him anyway - so the risk to us was minimal.

None of the above makes common sense for a regime supposedly strapped for cash - we can't bleat on and on (blah blah blah) about money wasted by MA and LJ, when he goes and does this.

Kalas is another example of bizarre management - he had a GREAT Euro tournament for his country and has been one of our most reliable players for years - but Pearson dropped him from our first 11. Bizarre. This smells of a dressing-room fallout to me - a clash of egos maybe? At a time when we needed all the defensive firepower we could get.

At least Weimann is playing well though - thank Christ.

ALL the above have been MANAGEMENT decisions by 'sir' Nigel - and bloody poor ones. Nothing to do with LJ or MA - or even SL/JL

Nigel Pearson has been a poor manager so far. I'm extremely disappointed. I didn't expect promotion - I expected a period of 'settling down', but I did expect it to be better than this. I can't even describe what Nigel Pearson's 'style' of play is. 

No I still don't want NP sacked - yet - believe it or not, it IS possible to criticise the manager without wanting him replaced - and besides - it's only worth sacking someone if there is a better replacement available. However, I don't buy any more of this 'he inherited a **** squad' bollocks any more. He did his bit to CREATE the current '****' squad, so if the squad really IS '****' then it's partly of his own making.
To be fair to Nigel, it's just some of our FANS who are saying this, not Pearson himself.
He needs to do the job he's paid to do - lets not forget that he's being paid more than ANY other manager in the history of our club - EVEN MORE THAN LEE JOHNSON WAS!!
Some of his decisions defy logic and he really needs to step up. I'm really beginning to wonder if he is a 'one hit wonder' (with Leicester) - like Wilson was (with Barnsley). I seriously hope NOT - for all our sakes, but he's certainly NOT the messiah.

How do you know what he's being paid, or is it guessing,

[TV Tom]

24 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Dont know if hes a naughty boy, but hes just about the worst manager, statically weve ever had. Performances are shocking, our defending is appalling, and good will amongst supporters to everyone at the club is very low. Weve made players millionaires when they should never have got those contracts, and it appears we are likely to get relegated next season.

pearson is crap. Ashton was a charlatan, lansdown got suckered in to giving repeated contracts to poor players and managers. We have 2/3 players with any type of transfer value and when they are sold we will be stuck with poor worthless players either injured or not very good. Or both. 
 

just as well we have a high performance centre.

I’m with you in most of your points, I’m absolutely bewildered that so many still back him despite the utter rubbish we have had to put up with in his 15 months though I do appreciate that everybody has a right to their point of view.

[Merrick's Marvels]

9 minutes ago, harrys said:

Did he honestly say that? I wouldn’t know because I stopped listening to him many months ago due to his rudeness and arrogance 

Yes he did. And as someone who's prepared to support Pearson for a good while longer yet, ie. the coming summer transfer window at the very least, I agree it was rude. Just as some of his other replies to media questions have been.

But, seriously, who gives a funk? Seriously. 

"Oooh I can't stand him cos 'es so rude".

Get a funking grip.

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, Simon bristol said:

Dont know if hes a naughty boy, but hes just about the worst manager, statically weve ever had. Performances are shocking, our defending is appalling, and good will amongst supporters to everyone at the club is very low. Weve made players millionaires when they should never have got those contracts, and it appears we are likely to get relegated next season.

pearson is crap. Ashton was a charlatan, lansdown got suckered in to giving repeated contracts to poor players and managers. We have 2/3 players with any type of transfer value and when they are sold we will be stuck with poor worthless players either injured or not very good. Or both. 
 

just as well we have a high performance centre.

You really want to judge how good or otherwise he is by using statistics?

Without taking any context into account - the teams we've been playing, the level we're playing at, the state of the club when he took over, the fact he's been here 5 minutes as opposed to those other managers you're comparing him to? 

Idiot. On the ignore step you go. 

Yes performances have been poor. Agreed, we probably should be doing a bit better. How much better? Play off better? Of course not, so on the ignore step you go.

The rest of your rambling post isn't even anything to do with Pearson, so... like I said. Idiot. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels

[Son of Fred]

38 minutes ago, harrys said:

Did he honestly say that? I wouldn’t know because I stopped listening to him many months ago due to his rudeness and arrogance 

Confidence is often confused with arrogance/rudeness...

Ask my wife.

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

When I can be @rsed I will trawl through these replies and engage with those who want a sensible debate. 
The calibre and content of some of these responses have been expected and to continue responding is a waste of time - it’s a bit like trying to debate with the 3 eyed aliens in the Toy Story grab machine. 
‘turd imoji’ ok - good argument 
’your opinion doesn’t matter because you moved to Swindon…’ yeah ok. 
somewhere amongst all this piffle there are probably some good sensible responses. 
it might take me some time……

Oh I get it, you've been able to read and respond to all the negative posts but somehow missed the ones from the people who, with the patience of Job, have explained in detail why you're talking nonsense. You'll read those later? Once you've come up with some more nonsensical argument to the contrary.

Like I've already said,  you'd be well off learning how to distinguish between the "likely to be true" and "likely to be bollocks" stuff you find on the internet (funny how you didn't respond to that).

If you don't, modern life's going to get a bit much for you. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels

[Bristol Oil Services]

29 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

 

Like I've already said,  you'd be well off learning how to distinguish between the "likely to be true" and "likely to be bollocks" stuff you find on the internet (funny how you didn't respond to that).

If you don't, modern life's going to get a bit much for you. 

This comment ^ ^ from Merrick is likely from the "likely to be bollocks" side of the Internet @bcfcredandwhite, mate, trust me, I would know (my comment is from the "likely to be true" bit).

Anyway, @bcfcredandwhite, you carry on, fella. A very entertaining thread on a pretty dull forum currently. 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

it’s a bit like trying to debate with the 3 eyed aliens in the Toy Story grab machine

That’s my favourite attraction at Disney.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Yes he did. And as someone who's prepared to support Pearson for a good while longer yet, ie. the coming summer transfer window at the very least, I agree it was rude. Just as some of his other replies to media questions have been.

But, seriously, who gives a funk? Seriously. 

"Oooh I can't stand him cos 'es so rude".

Get a funking grip.

Bristol City Fans - our players are stealing a living, the board haven’t gotta clue

Nigel Pearson - some of our players are passive, the club is passive

Bristol City Fans - how dare you criticise the players and club

50 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Confidence is often confused with arrogance/rudeness...

Ask my wife.

Parklife

[Merrick's Marvels]

24 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

This comment ^ ^ from Merrick is likely from the "likely to be bollocks" side of the Internet @bcfcredandwhite, mate, trust me, I would know (my comment is from the "likely to be true" bit).

Anyway, @bcfcredandwhite, you carry on, fella. A very entertaining thread on a pretty dull forum currently. 

Two can play at that game!

[Sleepy1968]

3 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

I demand the return of the turd emoji! 

Oh, that wasn't chocolate flavoured ice-cream then?

[Merrick's Marvels]

4 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Oh, that wasn't chocolate flavoured ice-cream then?

Mr Whippy or Mr Shitty??

Who knows! 

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

Why on earth did the OP need to start another thread on NP?

I have a perfectly good one and only opened with 3 words ( which guaranteed that anyone who wanted to stop reading didn't get the chance unless they stopped at "that" or "is" but by the time readers got to "all" - it was definitely too late.

 

[cityfan1958]

2 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Why on earth did the OP need to start another thread on NP?

I have a perfectly good one and only opened with 3 words ( which guaranteed that anyone who wanted to stop reading didn't get the chance unless they stopped at "that" or "is" but by the time readers got to "all" - it was definitely too late.

 

Wind up merchant, no more, no less.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

Woweeeee interesting thread. It strikes me that most of the stuff quoted is figures and actions that can not be proved or confirmed with out doubt as 100 % correct. So the discussion in the thread is based on uncertainitys . So any opinions stated have no solid backing or support and is just about. individual opinion. Weather we like NP or not we are still supporters of the same club. And yes we are still in the after effect of MA/LJ. They have gone now so can we leave them in the past and just be concerned with the present. What is here in the moment. Yes the team on the pitch has some real problems at present and I do really think we are going down next year. Because SL has, or is not allowed, to spend on transfers. If we are in Div 1 so be it as long as I alive and can  watch and support. As long as there is a Bristol City that's cool by me. 

It's funny, maybe not, that we live in such totally ****** up times in this country and  in the world. And football still creates more passion than anything I know of 

End of rant . Have a great day 

Red till I dead 

PS. Did some one mention that some one had moved to Swindon in this thread ? Now that's really tragic. I mean Swindon ffs.

 

 

 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Rocking Red Cyril
Can't spell shit

[brad blit]

15 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I'm surprised you read as far as that, considering its a thread actually trying to hold Nigel Pearson to account. 

Anyway, if you are interested, here you go:

Nahki Wells £27,000
Tomáš Kalas £22,000
Kasey Palmer £20,000
Andreas Weimann £18,000
Danny Simpson £15,000
Daniel Bentley £14,000
Matty James £14,000
Joe Williams £10,000
Nathan Baker £9,000
Callum O'Dowda £8,400
Chris Martin £8,400

Source: Bristol City 2022 Wages | Player & Team totals (salarysport.com)

 

I know one player through a friend (you can prob work out who via my previous posts) and I can tell you the information on that player is wrong. So I wouldn’t believe it for Simpson either…..

[TV Tom]

12 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Yes he did. And as someone who's prepared to support Pearson for a good while longer yet, ie. the coming summer transfer window at the very least, I agree it was rude. Just as some of his other replies to media questions have been.

But, seriously, who gives a funk? Seriously. 

"Oooh I can't stand him cos 'es so rude".

Get a funking grip.

Oh dear, there are some odd posters on here.

Obnoxious is probably the word I should of used not rude

[Bristol Oil Services]

12 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Two can play at that game!

"Lately you've been actin' mighty strange,

To me it seems your attitude has changed .... "

Bobby Brown, good song

[Bristol Oil Services]

1 hour ago, harrys said:

Oh dear, there are some odd posters on here.

 

"Likely to be true" this one, @bcfcredandwhite, mate

[Simon bristol]

15 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

You really want to judge how good or otherwise he is by using statistics?

Without taking any context into account - the teams we've been playing, the level we're playing at, the state of the club when he took over, the fact he's been here 5 minutes as opposed to those other managers you're comparing him to? 

Idiot. On the ignore step you go. 

Yes performances have been poor. Agreed, we probably should be doing a bit better. How much better? Play off better? Of course not, so on the ignore step you go.

The rest of your rambling post isn't even anything to do with Pearson, so... like I said. Idiot. 

Haha, please feel free to **** right off then.

You think some of our other managers came in with a worse squad than pearson? What did cotts come into?

idiot.

[bcfcredandwhite]

Thanks to everyone who bothered to respond to this with a sensible argument, even when disagreeing - in particular  @Davefevs @Silvio Danteand @Fuber. 

Regarding Fammy being allowed to go; I now accept that this was done outside Nigel's tenure. That was a mistake on my part. Apologies to anyone I offended, including Nigel. An interesting sidenote that (if comments are to be believed) Ashton seemed to have taken it upon himself to make those decisions though - on some of the anti-LJ threads we were told that the MANAGER had the final say as to who was retained or who was sold/allowed to go. Not in this case perhaps? 
I still think it was a mistake by the CLUB to let them go without being replaced.

It was also a mistake to sign Simpson - whatever salary he was on.
Regarding Simpson's salary and the accuracy of the figure quoted by SalarySport - Of course it may not be accurate, but its reasonable to assume that it's not that far off (within a few £thousands). Of course I don't know exactly what Simpson - or any other squad member - is paid, other than seeing what these websites publish as a rough guide - and neither does anyone else outside of BCFC. Why should we accept Wells's and Palmers's salary figures to be accurate-ish and use those figures to beat up LJ and MA, but not Simpsons? Plus, although many people ridiculed the figure, NOBODY has been able to confirm what it actually is. In the crazy world of football salaries £15kpw is not unthinkable. 
Either those salary websites are vaguely accurate or they are not. 

Someone asked why start another thread? So that my own comments are at the top. If I used an existing thread to post my views then my comments would be lost amongst the scores of minor insults, sarcasm, imojis, cartoons and pisstakes by those who blindly believe that NP can do no wrong and can't be bothered to back up that belief using rational arguments. Besides, how many LJ threads were there? I'm sure this won't be the last either.

 

So to summarise; 

IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION 

The club should not have let Fammy and Pato go without replacing them.

The club should not have signed Simpson - whatever salary he was on it was too much

The club should have let Wells go to Cardiff/Swansea

I didn't agree with the dropping of Kalas after the Euros

I can't work out what style Pearson is trying to play

The football and the results have not been good

As people said in criticism of LJ when he was here 'it's part of the manager's job to motivate the players and get them playing' - or words to that effect. To me, that does not appear to be happening.

Overall I'm disappointed. I don't want NP sacked but things have to improve next season - or at least LOOK like they MIGHT improve.

 

 

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

So to summarise; 

IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION 

The club should not have let Fammy and Pato go without replacing them.

- my response back is what would it have cost to replace these two, and bearing in mind the success of the “forward line” in terms of goals, in hindsight was that necessary when costs needed to be cut?  Pre-season I wrote for The Post that I saw the forward line as the lowest priority, especially when we had Martin, Weimann, Wells and Semenyo, backed up by Conway and Bell (and possibly Britton, plus Palmer and Scott as “tens”)

The club should not have signed Simpson - whatever salary he was on it was too much

I would’ve preferred we had signed Tanner in the summer to compete with Vyner at RB.  That wouldn’t have solved the issue either in hindsight.  I wrote in the sane article that I thought that Pearson would just try and get through this season cheaply.

The club should have let Wells go to Cardiff/Swansea

Allegedly Wells didn’t want to go, would only go if permanent deal, and neither were offering more than a loan.

I didn't agree with the dropping of Kalas after the Euros

who dropped him?  He came back late, and after 2 league games of Baker and Atkinson, having had a sensible re-introduction to the squad he came back on.

I can't work out what style Pearson is trying to play

no, it’s not easy to work out, but constrained by who is available, in form, etc.

The football and the results have not been good

indeed, but I might argue some of this is due to constraints / circumstances in a broader context. We can happily have different views.

As people said in criticism of LJ when he was here 'it's part of the manager's job to motivate the players and get them playing' - or words to that effect. To me, that does not appear to be happening.

it is. It doesn’t always manifest itself in results on the pitch straightaway.  Looking from the outside in, you are within your rights to reach that evaluation.  Personally, having watched this season pan out, I’m happy with what is going on.  There have been bumps in the road, but I think that is because “we are where we are”…at the start of a long and painful journey.  I find it quite refreshing to hear a manager talk about putting the club first, and building for a time beyond his tenure.  That is unlike most managers who are “for the now” whereas Pearson is happy to lay foundations.

Overall I'm disappointed. I don't want NP sacked but things have to improve next season - or at least LOOK like they MIGHT improve.

you can judge next season when it happens based on your levels of expectations.  They may be the same as mine or different.  I’m certainly gonna wait to see how the squad has shaped up over the summer before I give my expectations.  How would you feel if the squad felt weaker in July / August because of the financial constraints?  What does improvement look like?  Finishing higher in the league each year isn’t necessarily a good barometer, it’s “bigger” than that.  For me it feels like we have to backwards to go forwards.

My own thoughts above:

I honestly don’t expect you to agree with me, I’m not trying to change you opinion either, I’m just giving you my honest view.  There have been some disappointments, but overall I’m pretty happy with how things are going in context of the wider issues in the club.