LJ to Hibs

[ScottishRed]

According to BBC Sport he is on their short list of 4 for final interview later this week. 

Given that he spent some time as a player at Hearts that will not go down too well.

Appleton is apparently also on the short list - Swiss Tony as CEO?  Would not be a surprise.

Edited May 10, 2022 by ScottishRed

[The Coach]

Fall from grace 

[GlastonburyRed]

This is quicker than his old man's demise!!!

[Rudolf Hucker]

35 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

he is on their short list

Very good!

[Olé]

There would be a weird bit of symmetry with his old assistant if he went there - perhaps the two have spoken.

Heckingbottom took over from him at Barnsley as caretaker when LJ joined us and duly won the JPT and Play Offs and leapfrogged us in the Championship the following season before getting Leeds job (only match vs City 2-2 at Elland Rd).

He was binned off after only half a season for Bielsa - and rebuilt his career managing Hibernian before returning south to coach and then manage Sheffield United who he now has in the Championship play offs. Hibs seemed a useful reboot.

[Negan]

This would be such a terrible move for him. I can’t believe his stock wasn’t higher after leaving us. It’s not like he left us at the bottom of the league after years of fighting relegation. Definitely deserved another club at our level. If he goes up there and it goes wrong he’ll do well to get above league 2, if it goes right it doesn’t really increase his stock anymore. Odd decision for him. Should hang on and wait for something like Rotherham or Peterborough. Even Derby should Rooney not stay. 

[Robbored]

38 minutes ago, Negan said:

This would be such a terrible move for him. I can’t believe his stock wasn’t higher after leaving us. It’s not like he left us at the bottom of the league after years of fighting relegation. Definitely deserved another club at our level. If he goes up there and it goes wrong he’ll do well to get above league 2, if it goes right it doesn’t really increase his stock anymore. Odd decision for him. Should hang on and wait for something like Rotherham or Peterborough. Even Derby should Rooney not stay. 

He messed up at Sunderland when he suffered two hammerings in quick succession and pissing off some of the senior players which probably contributed to those heavy defeats and any stock he may have had dipped significantly. I read that he was shortlisted for the Barnsley job but obviously never got.

LJ is what I call a ‘theoretical’ manager. Knows all there is to know about the game but who lacks motivational skills.  He’ll do what his father has done - wander from club to club in the lower leagues and in his case, Scottish football - the Championship will be as good as it gets in his career.

[BS2 Red]

He's finally going to be a Premiership manager.  

[Baldyman]

Ex Hearts player becoming Hibs manager ??? Good luck with that one Lee . Better call Matty Taylor to borrow his tin hat

[Fordy62]

Pep will take him before he goes to Hibs. Imagine what he could coach into Haaland.

[IAmNick]

1 hour ago, Negan said:

This would be such a terrible move for him. I can’t believe his stock wasn’t higher after leaving us. It’s not like he left us at the bottom of the league after years of fighting relegation. Definitely deserved another club at our level. If he goes up there and it goes wrong he’ll do well to get above league 2, if it goes right it doesn’t really increase his stock anymore. Odd decision for him. Should hang on and wait for something like Rotherham or Peterborough. Even Derby should Rooney not stay. 

I didn't think his stock was particularly high, so wasn't surprised he ended up lower. I think other clubs would see he had a pretty healthy budget, and in 5 years achieved a single top 10 finish. Who's going to afford him more money/time than that?

He needs an achievement on his CV so I thought Sunderland was the right sort of place for him to go, and he was doing pretty well there. Not sure Hibs is a great move for him personally.

[Davefevs]

56 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

He's finally going to be a Premiership manager.  

@BS4 on Tour... flexing his typing fingers….ah, wait, this time it’s the right name.

[leader]

So what  it don’t affect us

[SydneyCity]

I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad move. Hibs are a good size and well supported. They’ve also been absolutely terrible this year, currently in 8th. It would be almost impossible to do worse. If he can get them above Hearts, he’ll be a hero. If he can get them to third, he’s in Europe.

If he messes it up though, I’d say it’s game over.

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, BS2 Red said:

He's finally going to be a Premiership manager.  

But he still won’t get a promotion on his CV! 

[Northern Red]

25 minutes ago, leader said:

So what  it don’t affect us

And yet, here you are.

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

He messed up at Sunderland when he suffered two hammerings in quick succession and pissing off some of the senior players which probably contributed to those heavy defeats and any stock he may have had dipped significantly. I read that he was shortlisted for the Barnsley job but obviously never got.

LJ is what I call a ‘theoretical’ manager. Knows all there is to know about the game but who lacks motivational skills.  He’ll do what his father has done - wander from club to club in the lower leagues and in his case, Scottish football - the Championship will be as good as it gets in his career.

I think you’re right. And more and more so in the modern game, it’s about having the rights skills alongside you as part of a team. 

At City he didn’t have that - and certainly didn’t get it with Ashton. I’m not sure who he had with him at Sunderland.

Its something we’ve struggled with at City more generally I think. We’ve had our tacticians, our coaches, our motivators but we’ve not managed to combine all those skills either at the same time or in one person, 

[GrahamC]

Must admit I had Charlton down as a likelier destination.

Hibs are by Scottish standards one of the biggest clubs outside the Old Firm, also not sure how much of an impact playing 4 games for Hearts 16 years ago would have on any reaction to his appointment.

Success for them, Hearts or Aberdeen is finishing third, if he gets it then it will be interesting to see how he gets on.

[Will Rollason]

6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Must admit I had Charlton down as a likelier destination.

Hibs are by Scottish standards one of the biggest clubs outside the Old Firm, also not sure how much of an impact playing 4 games for Hearts 16 years ago would have on any reaction to his appointment.

Success for them, Hearts or Aberdeen is finishing third, if he gets it then it will be interesting to see how he gets on.

Charlton... mid table league one.... decent team under Curbs back in the day

[Robbored]

38 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I think you’re right. And more and more so in the modern game, it’s about having the rights skills alongside you as part of a team. 

At City he didn’t have that - and certainly didn’t get it with Ashton. I’m not sure who he had with him at Sunderland.

Its something we’ve struggled with at City more generally I think. We’ve had our tacticians, our coaches, our motivators but we’ve not managed to combine all those skills either at the same time or in one person, 

From what I’ve seen of Nige so far he fits that description pretty well - the first one since Danny Wilson.

 

[italian dave]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

From what I’ve seen of Nige so far he fits that description pretty well - the first one since Danny Wilson.

 

Possibly…..but doesn’t even he admit he’s not a coach? 

[Tinmans Love Child]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

He messed up at Sunderland when he suffered two hammerings in quick succession and pissing off some of the senior players which probably contributed to those heavy defeats and any stock he may have had dipped significantly. I read that he was shortlisted for the Barnsley job but obviously never got.

LJ is what I call a ‘theoretical’ manager. Knows all there is to know about the game but who lacks motivational skills.  He’ll do what his father has done - wander from club to club in the lower leagues and in his case, Scottish football - the Championship will be as good as it gets in his career.

When he was sacked he was the current manager of the month and they were top before the hammering weren’t they? I still think it was a stupid sacking and unnecessary  regardless of whether they go up in playoffs, they were fighting for auto’s under LJ

[Supersonic Robin]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

LJ is what I call a ‘theoretical’ manager. Knows all there is to know about the game but who lacks motivational skills. 

Agree - though I would replace the word "motivational" with "practical". I think it's a variety of practical skills that he lacked when with us. (I also think that the concept of "motivation" is extremely overhyped when it comes to the job of a football manager).

Hopefully he will improve the practical elements of his management with time and experience. I'd quite like things to work out well for him. 

[Kid in the Riot]

3 hours ago, Negan said:

 Should hang on and wait for something like Rotherham or Peterborough.

Was already approached by Posh after Ferguson left, but not interested apparently. 

I suppose there's a reasonable case to be made that Hibs is a bigger job. Bigger fanbase, more chance of silverware, and European football.

[Waconda]

3 hours ago, Negan said:

This would be such a terrible move for him. I can’t believe his stock wasn’t higher after leaving us. It’s not like he left us at the bottom of the league after years of fighting relegation. Definitely deserved another club at our level. If he goes up there and it goes wrong he’ll do well to get above league 2, if it goes right it doesn’t really increase his stock anymore. Odd decision for him. Should hang on and wait for something like Rotherham or Peterborough. Even Derby should Rooney not stay. 

He turned down Peterborough.

[Waconda]

1 hour ago, italian dave said:

I think you’re right. And more and more so in the modern game, it’s about having the rights skills alongside you as part of a team. 

At City he didn’t have that - and certainly didn’t get it with Ashton. I’m not sure who he had with him at Sunderland.

Its something we’ve struggled with at City more generally I think. We’ve had our tacticians, our coaches, our motivators but we’ve not managed to combine all those skills either at the same time or in one person, 

Still haven't.

[Sturny]

Just my take, but maybe Sunderland humbled him a bit? He got too used to the cozy times at City. 

Possibly he's self aware of all this now and wants to build himself up again, and Hibs is a club that doesn't demand too much so he can build. I think he'll do well there.  

This is completely an outside look in, for all we know Hibs was the only club interested and he's just taking it because he can. 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Sturny

[Street red]

1 hour ago, italian dave said:

But he still won’t get a promotion on his CV! 

Even Barton's got one of those..

[Super]

3 hours ago, Negan said:

This would be such a terrible move for him. I can’t believe his stock wasn’t higher after leaving us. It’s not like he left us at the bottom of the league after years of fighting relegation. Definitely deserved another club at our level. If he goes up there and it goes wrong he’ll do well to get above league 2, if it goes right it doesn’t really increase his stock anymore. Odd decision for him. Should hang on and wait for something like Rotherham or Peterborough. Even Derby should Rooney not stay. 

If he does well at Hibs then he will probably be back at Championship level. Look at Mcinnes and Alex Neil.

[AshtonRobin21]

I could see LJ doing well at a team like MK Dons should Manning leave. 

The club already have a structure in place, and a way of playing out from the back. They like to dominate possession and have many quality young players. 

The groundwork has been layed out at MK Dons, and if he was willing to adapt to their style of play, then he could fit in well there.

The football we showed on the Carabao cup semi-final season was very similar to the way in which MK Dons play now. If he can replicate that, then he could be a success. 

[RedM]

Maybe he like Scotland from when he was there as a player? Will McAllister link up with him again?

I think Hibs is more likely than some clubs he has been previously linked to.

[CodeRed]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

He messed up at Sunderland when he suffered two hammerings in quick succession and pissing off some of the senior players which probably contributed to those heavy defeats 

I don't know why you feel it necessary to make things up to support your views.

LJ lost ONE game 5 0. 

The previous 5 league games they were unbeaten and that run included a 3-0 and a 5-0 win , the others were a win v Plymouth and draws with Ipswich and Oxford. 

This is definitely true as 

 results are on their OS !

[Supersonic Robin]

1 hour ago, italian dave said:

But he still won’t get a promotion on his CV! 

27 minutes ago, Street red said:

Even Barton's got one of those..

 

Does anyone know roughly what percentage of active EFL managers actually have a promotion on their CV? Or equally, the age at which the average manager wins his first promotion? or the frequency with which the average manager wins promotion? (e.g. once in every 15 seasons). 

I recall people quite frequently using the "no promotions as a manager" stick to beat LJ in the past and always felt like this might be a little harsh given how few years he'd been in management.

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

I don't know why you feel it necessary to make things up to support your views.

LJ lost ONE game 5 0. 

The previous 5 league games they were unbeaten and that run included a 3-0 and a 5-0 win , the others were a win v Plymouth and draws with Ipswich and Oxford. 

This is definitely true as 

 results are on their OS !

It was 6-0 actually at Bolton, but your general point is correct, as they beat Pompey in the game before.

[tin]

Well, LJ always said he fancied managing abroad! 

[italian dave]

26 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

 

Does anyone know roughly what percentage of active EFL managers actually have a promotion on their CV? Or equally, the age at which the average manager wins his first promotion? or the frequency with which the average manager wins promotion? (e.g. once in every 15 seasons). 

I recall people quite frequently using the "no promotions as a manager" stick to beat LJ in the past and always felt like this might be a little harsh given how few years he'd been in management.

Yes...and just to be clear my comment wasn't intended as a dig at LJ - I am not in the camp that like to use that stick. I just found it funny - given how often that stick is used - that he might go somewhere where he couldn't get a promotion!

[supercidered]

2 hours ago, Will Rollason said:

Charlton... mid table league one.... decent team under Curbs back in the day

Funny you should mention Curbs. I saw him yesterday at the Avon Gorge Hotel.

[CodeRed]

49 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

 

Does anyone know roughly what percentage of active EFL managers actually have a promotion on their CV? Or equally, the age at which the average manager wins his first promotion? or the frequency with which the average manager wins promotion? (e.g. once in every 15 seasons). 

I recall people quite frequently using the "no promotions as a manager" stick to beat LJ in the past and always felt like this might be a little harsh given how few years he'd been in management.

I was one of those using that particular stick to beat LJ,  He's been a manager for over 8 seasons and 449 games - he's actually managed more games than he played (405). He's had just the one top 6 finish with Sunderland (4th).  So he can no longer be classed as an "up and coming coach" and must IMO be judged on his record...................which is average.

At one time there were very few managers in the Championship without a promotion on their CV but that's now changed, Steve Cooper for example doesn't have a promotion but he has reached the play offs in every season he's been the head coach!

[petehinton]

Like Sunderland, would be a hell of a risk. Would be great for his stock if successful, but would hugely damage it if not. Just look at Sunderland gig, didn’t work, and now he’s gonna really struggle to get a solid top L1 job again, no Doubt why he’s talking to Hibs now

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, CodeRed said:

I don't know why you feel it necessary to make things up to support your views.

LJ lost ONE game 5 0. 

They got hammered at least twice and iirc both heavy defeats weren’t  too man games apart.

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

From what I’ve seen of Nige so far he fits that description pretty well - the first one since Danny Wilson.

 

Danny Wilson??  You’re having a laugh!!  The only thing he managed to do was build an attractive squad which achieved almost nothing, not least because he wasn’t a strong enough manager to sort out the drinking culture that was ruining our club.  A dreadful waste of time and money.  Astonishing that some fans still seem to think he was a good manager.  He wasn’t.

 

[And Its Smith]

33 minutes ago, Robbored said:

They got hammered at least twice and iirc both heavy defeats weren’t  too man games apart.

They were. You recall incorrectly. 

[CodeRed]

28 minutes ago, Robbored said:

They got hammered at least twice and iirc both heavy defeats weren’t  too man games apart.

They lost 3-1 to Lincoln 3 weeks before - hardly a hammering - and those ( Bolton & Lincoln) were their only 2 defeats during the whole of December and January. 

You're worse than Boris for making things up !

[And Its Smith]

6 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

They lost 3-1 to Lincoln 3 weeks before - hardly a hammering - and those ( Bolton & Lincoln) were their only 2 defeats during the whole of December and January. 

You're worse than Boris for making things up !

Think he’s talking about the 5-1 loss to Rotherham in October!

[TonyTonyTony]

Fairly sure LJ was sacked from Sunderland whilst being the current Manager of the month. I couldnt give a monkeys really, but it still seems an odd decision.

 

[BUTOR]

Would have thought he’s got one eye on the Forest Green situation now.

[RedM]

14 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Fairly sure LJ was sacked from Sunderland whilst being the current Manager of the month. I couldnt give a monkeys really, but it still seems an odd decision.

 

Jamie McAllister told a friend of mine that their sackings ‘were a complete surprise at the time’ and ‘neither of us saw it coming’.

[Fordy62]

48 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Fairly sure LJ was sacked from Sunderland whilst being the current Manager of the month. I couldnt give a monkeys really, but it still seems an odd decision.

 

Would they be in the play off final if they still had LJ? Difficult to say… they might have got autos, they might have missed out all together.

But I bet most Mackems are happy with the decision to sack. 

Edit: just looked and they are happy. The general consensus is that he played very good football, but couldn’t sort their defence for shit. Which is bizarre because that’s almost the polar opposite of how he was here*. 

*barring the carabao cup 6 months. 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Fordy62

[Leveller]

3 hours ago, Street red said:

Even Barton's got one of those..

By starting from a low base and then getting relegated…

[Fuber]

7 hours ago, Negan said:

This would be such a terrible move for him. I can’t believe his stock wasn’t higher after leaving us. It’s not like he left us at the bottom of the league after years of fighting relegation. Definitely deserved another club at our level. If he goes up there and it goes wrong he’ll do well to get above league 2, if it goes right it doesn’t really increase his stock anymore. Odd decision for him. Should hang on and wait for something like Rotherham or Peterborough. Even Derby should Rooney not stay. 

The issue is if you look at the more of our finances have been in due to the onset of his reign, it's doesn't read well.

Granted, year on year improvement.

However over the same period as noted elsewhere on this forum, wages to turnover rose 50%, irrespective of having Ashton above him, he himself stated he had final sign off on signings.

Hence nobody else in the championship coming in for him.

His man management is simply not good enough. See Fielding/Wilbs comments, etc. Similar at Sunderland it seems.

[Sleepy1968]

3 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said:

 

Does anyone know roughly what percentage of active EFL managers actually have a promotion on their CV? Or equally, the age at which the average manager wins his first promotion? or the frequency with which the average manager wins promotion? (e.g. once in every 15 seasons). 

I recall people quite frequently using the "no promotions as a manager" stick to beat LJ in the past and always felt like this might be a little harsh given how few years he'd been in management.

Quite. And of the one's who've got one, who has got another?

[maxjak]

Talking of Sottish football....which i rarely can be bothered with.............I see there's a real tense game tonight?  .........Celtic, only 45 points ahead of tonight's  opponents, can clinch  "Yawn!!"  the title tonight?  Why   don't they have a two legged game against Rangers in August, then just have the next 8 months off?  ..............or even better still,  add them to the English Championship, and see if they can both avoid being relegated???

[Super]

Mental Health Awareness Week: Ex-Sunderland manager Lee Johnson's secrets on how he's preparing for next role | Football News | Sky Sports

[Yoyo2345]

12 minutes ago, Super said:

Mental Health Awareness Week: Ex-Sunderland manager Lee Johnson's secrets on how he's preparing for next role | Football News | Sky Sports

Very interesting read. Us as fans probably don't realise how much an affect we can have on our managers well being. 

 

Good spot

[Tinmans Love Child]

18 hours ago, maxjak said:

Talking of Sottish football....which i rarely can be bothered with.............I see there's a real tense game tonight?  .........Celtic, only 45 points ahead of tonight's  opponents, can clinch  "Yawn!!"  the title tonight?  Why   don't they have a two legged game against Rangers in August, then just have the next 8 months off?  ..............or even better still,  add them to the English Championship, and see if they can both avoid being relegated???

Remind me how Rangers did in Europe this year?  

[phantom]

37 minutes ago, Super said:

Mental Health Awareness Week: Ex-Sunderland manager Lee Johnson's secrets on how he's preparing for next role | Football News | Sky Sports

Sky sports news are showing an in depth interview with LJ on the show this morning, talking about him getting back into the game

[old_eastender]

Hopefully LJ will indeed get the Hibs job, makes it less likely that SL thinks about bringing him back here in any capacity!

[Fordy62]

43 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

Hopefully LJ will indeed get the Hibs job, makes it less likely that SL thinks about bringing him back here in any capacity!

Would be the only way we’d ever get to see Lansdown’s cheque book again!

[Harry]

On 11/05/2022 at 13:28, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Would have thought he’s got one eye on the Forest Green situation now.

I don’t believe he’s interested in the FGR job. Maybe in a couple of years with the new stadium, better finances, etc, but not now. 
I also don’t believe the Hibs role is one he’s keen on. I’m thinking more League 1. Charlton was a decent shout from Graham, above. I wouldn’t rule out a return to Barnsley either. 

[maxjak]

8 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Remind me how Rangers did in Europe this year?  

Every dog has its day.................and they haven't won anything yet?   One of the main reasons they have had success in Europe IMHO  is due to the fact  they only play 4 or 5 difficult domestic games a season.....whereas Premier League sides hardly ever have an easy game?

[ScottishRed]

2 hours ago, maxjak said:

Every dog has its day.................and they haven't won anything yet?   One of the main reasons they have had success in Europe IMHO  is due to the fact  they only play 4 or 5 difficult domestic games a season.....whereas Premier League sides hardly ever have an easy game?

I am ABSOLUTELY NO FAN of either of the bigot brothers, BUT, Rangers have done well to get to the final. 

It is a great achievement, much as I despise them.

So many on here do not understand the whole issue with these two odious clubs. As a Scot, who has spent half his life around here - and I am in my sixties, I know it only too well .

 

Edited May 12, 2022 by ScottishRed

[BS4 on Tour...]

On 11/05/2022 at 10:48, RedM said:

Maybe he like Scotland from when he was there as a player? Will McAllister link up with him again?

I think Hibs is more likely than some clubs he has been previously linked to.

Well, that’s interesting, although having followed The Jags home and away thoughout the 1980s and 1990s I know how much club loyalty means to Scottish football fans - the fact both Lee Johnson and Jamie McAllister played for the Jam Tarts would instantly turn an Easter Road crowd against them - despite futile attempts from south of the border to play down and ridicule Scottish football, I have never witnessed passion, rivalry hatred, getting behind your team and obviously caring so bl**dy much as I did during my many years following the Harry Wraggs from Maryhill - some of the memories still move me to tears ... as you were

[ballwinningcentrehalf]

7 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

I am ABSOLUTELY NO FAN of either of the bigot brothers, BUT, Rangers have done well to get to the final.

 

Rangers have done very well. 

"it's easier because they only play 5 domestic games a season' is one of the laziest cliches around. I'll accept it potentially means some of your players may feel a bit fresher - but to go from being a Rangers/Celtic player domestically, where you get 80% of the ball, every team sits on their 18 yard box and you get 20 chances a game - to then playing in europe against teams level or above you, is very difficult.

That in particular is where Rangers are due credit. They've fallen short in the league - but it's impressive the way GvB has adapted his group of players and his tactics to go from domestic games to countering the likes of Dortmund and RB Leipzig.

[Northern Red]

If an easy domestic league meant more success in Europe then PSG would be walking the CL every season.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Northern Red

[Tinmans Love Child]

If Rangers or Celtic were in the Championship they would adapt to that level accordingly like all clubs do and then if backed financially would easily push to Prem due to size of clubs IMO, it’s almost irrelevant if the standard is better or worse currently really

[RedM]

8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well, that’s interesting, although having followed The Jags home and away thoughout the 1980s and 1990s I know how much club loyalty means to Scottish football fans - the fact both Lee Johnson and Jamie McAllister played for the Jam Tarts would instantly turn an Easter Road crowd against them - despite futile attempts from south of the border to play down and ridicule Scottish football, I have never witnessed passion, rivalry hatred, getting behind your team and obviously caring so bl**dy much as I did during my many years following the Harry Wraggs from Maryhill - some of the memories still move me to tears ... as you were

I guess I was thinking more about a return to Scotland in general and not take into account such fierce rivalry and feeling. He wouldn’t be given a fair chance from the start, but then again I guess that won’t be the first time. On reflection, not such a good move for him.

[GrahamC]

10 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well, that’s interesting, although having followed The Jags home and away thoughout the 1980s and 1990s I know how much club loyalty means to Scottish football fans - the fact both Lee Johnson and Jamie McAllister played for the Jam Tarts would instantly turn an Easter Road crowd against them - despite futile attempts from south of the border to play down and ridicule Scottish football, I have never witnessed passion, rivalry hatred, getting behind your team and obviously caring so bl**dy much as I did during my many years following the Harry Wraggs from Maryhill - some of the memories still move me to tears ... as you were

Serious question, Lee Johnson played just 4 games for Hearts & that was 16 years ago now.

McAllister played around 50, though I would certainly accept as a Scot he might be more closely linked to them, but would such a frankly tenuous connection on LJ’s part really matter?

I honestly believe that if we appointed a manager who has played so few games as this for Rovers the vast majority of fans would not care.

[KegCity]

12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Well, that’s interesting, although having followed The Jags home and away thoughout the 1980s and 1990s I know how much club loyalty means to Scottish football fans - the fact both Lee Johnson and Jamie McAllister played for the Jam Tarts would instantly turn an Easter Road crowd against them - despite futile attempts from south of the border to play down and ridicule Scottish football, I have never witnessed passion, rivalry hatred, getting behind your team and obviously caring so bl**dy much as I did during my many years following the Harry Wraggs from Maryhill - some of the memories still move me to tears ... as you were

Scottish football is an incredibly passionate affair of course, doesn't change the fact that quality has been historically lacking and hasn't really improved much in recent years aside from Rangers and Celtic. 

[City Rocker]

Well LJ's not in Edinburgh today for an interview, as I've just seen him out walking in Clifton,  having a lengthy phone conversation. Probably with Dale Vince I should think 

[Harry]

15 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

Well LJ's not in Edinburgh today for an interview, as I've just seen him out walking in Clifton,  having a lengthy phone conversation. Probably with Dale Vince I should think 

His kid goes to school in Clifton so you probs saw him after the school run