Away Fans-Atyeo-Why?

[Selred]

54 minutes ago, phantom said:

I know what you mean but there were hundreds of seats spare

Not only in blocks (remember the centre of the Lansdown lower was empty in two blocks), but also many scattered around the ground

I think it's a bit of a myth about families being on holiday, surely families would be sat in the family stand not spread around the stadium like we saw?

Not everyone goes to the football with their kids. Also people go on holiday in August cause it’s hot.

We sold out the tickets, maybe it was the most we could sell due to health and safety? But whatever happened it was sold out. We couldn’t physically sale any more tickets. 

[Steve Watts]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Iirc some the Swansea fans had tickets for the lower Lansdown that day and it was them that started the trouble. The bulk of the Jacks fans were in the Atyeo.

Nope it was a group of about 200 latecomers who basically got into the Atyeo and made a beeline for the Dolman.  I remember it well as it was the first match my lad went to that had any sort of trouble. Poor little sod was really nervous about it all. It may have been the 19/20 season thinking about it, but certainly they were let out at the end after trouble as I had to calm his nerves down.

[Sheltons Army]

1 hour ago, Steve Watts said:

Nope it was a group of about 200 latecomers who basically got into the Atyeo and made a beeline for the Dolman.  I remember it well as it was the first match my lad went to that had any sort of trouble. Poor little sod was really nervous about it all. It may have been the 19/20 season thinking about it, but certainly they were let out at the end after trouble as I had to calm his nerves down.

You are correct ,

it’s good that life carries on as normal and RR fails to get anything correct regarding the Football Club he purports to support and watch !

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Steve Watts said:

Nope it was a group of about 200 latecomers who basically got into the Atyeo and made a beeline for the Dolman.  I remember it well as it was the first match my lad went to that had any sort of trouble. Poor little sod was really nervous about it all. It may have been the 19/20 season thinking about it, but certainly they were let out at the end after trouble as I had to calm his nerves down.

2018-19 iirc.

I remember it quite well as I took a couple of friends to this one, towards the top of E34 which was a good place for atmosphere. I would say that while to condone nothing, the liveliness brought a certain edge to it and bolstered the atmosphere somewhat.

Anyway what I certainly recall, there were no stewards, all down in the corner but CCTV etc. I prevented them from bringing up alcohol at the start of 2nd half...then almost instantly after HT we scored! 1-0! Can't remember if they thanked me for insisting we finish it in the concourse...

I remember a delayed roar/cheer after the initial roar as clearly a decent number were still there and screen is a few secs behind.

Edited September 9, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Robbored]

51 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

You are correct ,

it’s good that life carries on as normal and RR fails to get anything correct regarding the Football Club he purports to support and watch !

I witnessed the violent episode from the Lansdown away to my left. It seemed as if the Jacks fans had come in from the corner of the same stand. I wasn’t aware that they were latecomers - how would anyone have known that unless they were close to fracas?

[Rocking Red Cyril]

14 hours ago, CTRed said:

Following on from watching the NP press conference on YouTube I made the usual mistake of clicking ‘recommended for you’ videos. City v Swindon in “that” game back in the season when Swindon won promotion in November or whenever it was.

Anyway, the Atyeo was 3/4 full of City fans and it got me thinking about (again) about why we give such an advantage to away teams by giving up the whole stand when we really don’t need to. It was amazing to see the difference in atmosphere with City fans in the Atyeo and Swindon confined to a corner of it.

The club really should look at this, we need our own fans back in the Atyeo, you can easily have a divide between supporters, nearly every other team in the football league with a stadium our size has such.

@JerrySLOplease investigate and report back 

Yes yes yes yes yes. You need to be in control . It's so bloody obvious . We give away do much atmosphere by not having city fans in the atmosphere . 

[Pezo]

54 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I witnessed the violent episode from the Lansdown away to my left. It seemed as if the Jacks fans had come in from the corner of the same stand. I wasn’t aware that they were latecomers - how would anyone have known that unless they were close to fracas?

That also wasn't what you said was it, you said they are kept in after the game - which hasn't happened for a long time, even the last time we played the gas we were all let out at the same time. I can't remember the last time fans were kept inside the stadium.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Pezo said:

That also wasn't what you said was it, you said they are kept in after the game - which hasn't happened for a long time, even the last time we played the gas we were all let out at the same time. I can't remember the last time fans were kept inside the stadium.

I think Millwall away 2018 held back for a bit but can't fully recall. It happens from time to time but can in turn lead to issues albeit confined to the ground, carpark whatever.

[Robbored]

8 minutes ago, Pezo said:

That also wasn't what you said was it, you said they are kept in after the game - which hasn't happened for a long time, even the last time we played the gas we were all let out at the same time. I can't remember the last time fans were kept inside the stadium.

I’ve seen It happen far more than you think, so many times that I can’t remember which games it happened at.

[Pezo]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’ve seen It happen far more than you think, so many times that I can’t remember which games it happened at.

You can't remember when it has happened I can't remember the last time it happen. Fairly sure it hasn't happened post COVID.

Like I said the last time we played the gas it didn't happen, didn't happen the last time we played Swindon either. Haven't seen it happen the Cardiff or Swansea in the last 10 years.

[phantom]

12 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I think Millwall away 2018 held back for a bit but can't fully recall.

We certainly were held back waiting to get the train, but City were out in big numbers that day, can remember Whitechapel before the game at Te Blind Beggar was an experience then being kettled / escorted by the Met all around London

After the game we were kept waiting, can remember it was a very hot day, and it was awful waiting to move

If you go on YouTube etc that is the day lots of videos of the hundreds of City fans singing in and around the tube can be seen

[East End Old Boy]

16 hours ago, Robbored said:

I witnessed the violent episode from the Lansdown away to my left. It seemed as if the Jacks fans had come in from the corner of the same stand. I wasn’t aware that they were latecomers - how would anyone have known that unless they were close to fracas?

Think this was the occasion when they’d been in hospitality, so we’re just late arriving at their seats.

[East End Old Boy]

15 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’ve seen It happen far more than you think, so many times that I can’t remember which games it happened at.

I can’t remember the last time away fans were held back, should know as I walk through them every home game.

I’m sure it’s been mentioned before and that fans leaving later can often be picked off by waiting City fans, so police prefer to manage the situation by releasing all fans at the same time.

[CiderJar]

22 hours ago, phantom said:

On the basis we couldn't sell out at £10 a ticket against Sunderland there is absolutely no reason to even think about it

Sunderland was a sell out albeit at reduced capacity

https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/its-a-sell-out-largest-opening-home-crowd-for-44-years/

 

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, East End Old Boy said:

I can’t remember the last time away fans were held back, should know as I walk through them every home game.

I’m sure it’s been mentioned before and that fans leaving later can often be picked off by waiting City fans, so police prefer to manage the situation by releasing all fans at the same time.

I’m the opposite - when my seat was in the Dolman on leaving I walked past the Atyeo on to Ashton Rd and the away fans were still in place. They’d not been allowed out.

Obviously in depended on who the opposition were.

[Keepers Ball]

On 09/09/2022 at 02:18, CTRed said:

Following on from watching the NP press conference on YouTube I made the usual mistake of clicking ‘recommended for you’ videos. City v Swindon in “that” game back in the season when Swindon won promotion in November or whenever it was.

Anyway, the Atyeo was 3/4 full of City fans and it got me thinking about (again) about why we give such an advantage to away teams by giving up the whole stand when we really don’t need to. It was amazing to see the difference in atmosphere with City fans in the Atyeo and Swindon confined to a corner of it.

The club really should look at this, we need our own fans back in the Atyeo, you can easily have a divide between supporters, nearly every other team in the football league with a stadium our size has such.

@JerrySLOplease investigate and report back 

We don't give the whole stand. That stupid netting is across the front.

And besides why take away good atmosphere? It's bad enough as it is.

If our lot didn't rely on Section 82 on making a noise and sang themselves it wouldn't make any difference how many were in the Atyeo

[Robbored]

3 minutes ago, Keepers Ball said:

We don't give the whole stand. That stupid netting is across the front.

And besides why take away good atmosphere? It's bad enough as it is.

If our lot didn't rely on Section 82 on making a noise and sang themselves it wouldn't make any difference how many were in the Atyeo

No it wouldn’t make any difference because of the acoustics in the Atyeo. The SS in particular isn’t suited in the same way and any sound created by S82 is dissipated upwards. My seat the Lansdown is almost diagonally to S82 and although we can hear them pretty well, louder sound comes my left where the away fans are. Even a relatively small number can make quite a din. 

People in the Dolman or Lansdown don’t tend to get involved in singing/chanting. They never have in my experience.

[BCFC1959]

On 09/09/2022 at 08:49, Robbored said:

It happens when either of the Welsh clubs or Milwall, the Baggies and Brum are at AG. 

It would also happen if Swindon or the gas were at AG but City don’t play either of them………..

They let all away fans out at the same time and have done for the last couple of seasons regardless who we are playing. I walk that way from the family section of the Lansdown with my Grandson and have challenged Police why they do it. I think they are hoping there will be trouble to justify the over the top Police presence 

[Keepers Ball]

8 hours ago, Robbored said:

No it wouldn’t make any difference because of the acoustics in the Atyeo. The SS in particular isn’t suited in the same way and any sound created by S82 is dissipated upwards. My seat the Lansdown is almost diagonally to S82 and although we can hear them pretty well, louder sound comes my left where the away fans are. Even a relatively small number can make quite a din. 

People in the Dolman or Lansdown don’t tend to get involved in singing/chanting. They never have in my experience.

B block in Dolman when we were kicked out of the East End used to make a racket. The old Williams did'nt apart from right at the front in the standing area if memory serves me correctly.

it would make a whole lot of difference if the South Stand (one reason why i hate the rugby. it should be named after a former player) right smack behind the goal made a noise. it has always been tradition with the vast majority of clubs up and down the country

[ChippenhamRed]

On 09/09/2022 at 02:18, CTRed said:

Following on from watching the NP press conference on YouTube I made the usual mistake of clicking ‘recommended for you’ videos. City v Swindon in “that” game back in the season when Swindon won promotion in November or whenever it was.

Anyway, the Atyeo was 3/4 full of City fans and it got me thinking about (again) about why we give such an advantage to away teams by giving up the whole stand when we really don’t need to. It was amazing to see the difference in atmosphere with City fans in the Atyeo and Swindon confined to a corner of it.

The club really should look at this, we need our own fans back in the Atyeo, you can easily have a divide between supporters, nearly every other team in the football league with a stadium our size has such.

@JerrySLOplease investigate and report back 

Surprised no one has pointed out that we only had three stands when that Swindon game was played. The South Stand was being built. So our support was squeezed by a very limited capacity.

In reality the capacity of home areas is already sufficient - we rarely sell out and our most vocal fans are already there every week. Giving some space to home fans in the Atyeo would just disperse our own fans over a wider area, which is counterproductive. If the singing section moved there en-masse, it would just concentrate all of the most vocal support into one area - and kill the atmosphere and leave more empty seats in the South Stand. OK, you might get a bit more to-and-fro with away fans, but the net gain would be minimal.

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 hours ago, Keepers Ball said:

B block in Dolman when we were kicked out of the East End used to make a racket. The old Williams did'nt apart from right at the front in the standing area if memory serves me correctly.

B Block yes, A Block wasn't too had either iirc. Was in the Atyeo but could hear a reasonable amount at times from those areas.

Williams generally not although maybe the Subbers were at one point in that part that faced the away end, or more accurately the away part of the East End- that area was alright for a time. Post having a season ticket was near that part of the ground for a few games late 2000's and quite good I thought.

7 hours ago, Keepers Ball said:

It would make a whole lot of difference if the South Stand (one reason why i hate the rugby. it should be named after a former player) right smack behind the goal made a noise. it has always been tradition with the vast majority of clubs up and down the country

Agree with this. In the corner it doesn't really spread, suppose the closest you might if lucky get is E28 and E29 at times joining in a bit.

Edited September 11, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Simon79]

On 09/09/2022 at 07:33, Monkeh said:

The just shut the gate between the Dolman and the atyeo and bring away coach's into the carpark

Not so sure on that, I park on the trading estate ( next to Babcock International )& that is where I’ve always known the away coaches park. Against Cardiff, we walked out onto Ashton Road/Marsh Road to make our way back to the car ( like we always do ) & we ended up being stuck in the middle of the Cardiff fans who where then being held at the lights going onto Winterstoke Road. Not the best place to be stuck with a little lad in City gear! In the end I had to pick him up as it was getting a bit hairy & carry him back towards the gate & exit out by the Atyeo statue. Ridiculous policing IMO, unless I’m missing something? COYR 

[Simon79]

On 09/09/2022 at 08:49, Robbored said:

It happens when either of the Welsh clubs or Milwall, the Baggies and Brum are at AG. 

It would also happen if Swindon or the gas were at AG but City don’t play either of them………..

Not so sure on that, I park on the trading estate ( next to Babcock International )& that is where I’ve always known the away coaches park. Against Cardiff, we walked out onto Ashton Road/Marsh Road to make our way back to the car ( like we always do ) & we ended up being stuck in the middle of theCardiff fans who where then being held at the lights going onto Winterstoke Road. Not the best place to be stuck with a little lad in City gear! In the end I had to pick him up as it was getting a bit hairy & carry him back towards the gate & exit out by the Atyeo statue. Ridiculous policing IMO, unless I’m missing something? COYR 

[Norn Iron]

On 09/09/2022 at 06:32, Robbored said:

 

Its a shame tho because just a small number of away fans can much more noise as the acoustics in the Atyeo direct the sound out towards the pitch whereas any chants/songs our fans create from the corner of the SS dissipate upwards and that’s why we often hear the away fans chanting “is this a libtary?”

And the Atyeo acoustics are able to change any mispronunciation to something more coherent!

[Tinmans Love Child]

On 10/09/2022 at 09:04, Robbored said:

No it wouldn’t make any difference because of the acoustics in the Atyeo. The SS in particular isn’t suited in the same way and any sound created by S82 is dissipated upwards. My seat the Lansdown is almost diagonally to S82 and although we can hear them pretty well, louder sound comes my left where the away fans are. Even a relatively small number can make quite a din. 

People in the Dolman or Lansdown don’t tend to get involved in singing/chanting. They never have in my experience.

I’m not sure I buy this acoustics reason for poor atmosphere.  At the Man Utd game the atmosphere was electric because the whole stadium was singing and the Atyeo was packed.  

[Robbored]

24 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I’m not sure I buy this acoustics reason for poor atmosphere.  At the Man Utd game the atmosphere was electric because the whole stadium was singing and the Atyeo was packed.  

That match was an exception. Full stadium, live on TV. Very different scenario from a Championship game

[Offside]

I recall years ago, before the ground got redeveloped, lots of posters on here saying that the acoustics in the Atyeo were poor compared to the old East End. 

[CyderInACan]

Here we go again. I'm going to file this along with :

"Pay as you play contracts" and 

"Lansdown is quietly buying up all the houses behind the Atyeo stand" 

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

23 minutes ago, Offside said:

I recall years ago, before the ground got redeveloped, lots of posters on here saying that the acoustics in the Atyeo were poor compared to the old East End. 

They are, were! The East End acoustics were excellent in their own right, both then and set against now.

Still doubt they're fantastic now but unsure how good the acoustics of modern stands are. Maybe they're relatively better.

Plus worth remembering that away fans tend to be more likely to stand as a %, more likely to stand, it's more natural to chant and sing stood up.

Sound doesn't really travel that well unless all in unison.

A centralised, more extended safe standing area would help.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, Offside said:

I recall years ago, before the ground got redeveloped, lots of posters on here saying that the acoustics in the Atyeo were poor compared to the old East End. 

They were because the old EE had a low roof which pushed sound out onto the pitch and the acoustics were better than the Atyeo.

The Atyeo or open end as was often held smaller number of away fans who certainly added to the atmosphere by competing with songs and chants with the home support.

However these days the signing section aren’t situated well enough to make a serious amount of noise for the reasons already mentioned whereas relatively low numbers of away fans can make quite a din. The worst one for has to be “is this a library?”. That particular one really pisses me off having been singer and chanter in the old EE back in the day.