Robbored Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Rangers 1 Liverpool 7……….……….and Liverpool hammered them with half their team missing. Even more evidence that the Scottish Premier is of poor quality and has always been a two horse race - consequently neither Glasgow clubs hold their own in the Champions League. That’s both of them out of the competition. I can’t wait to listen to TS later this morning. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Not sure why you’d expect anything different really - they simply don’t have the money to be remotely competitive against a side with Liverpool’s resources. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Both scottish teams out the champions leauge after a few weeks, even notradamus wouldnt have forseen that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Two birds with one stones this time, very impressive Robbo Yes we know you love Liverpool and hate Scottish football 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Tbf he has a point. Liverpòol cant buy a point with their best 11 in the leauge right now, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, Robbored said: Rangers 1 Liverpool 7……….……….and Liverpool hammered them with half their team missing. Even more evidence that the Scottish Premier is of poor quality and has always been a two horse race - consequently neither Glasgow clubs hold their own in the Champions League. That’s both of them out of the competition. I can’t wait to listen to TS later this morning. Bit odd, I don’t think anyone thinks otherwise? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 43 minutes ago, Robbored said: Rangers 1 Liverpool 7……….……….and Liverpool hammered them with half their team missing. Even more evidence that the Scottish Premier is of poor quality and has always been a two horse race - consequently neither Glasgow clubs hold their own in the Champions League. That’s both of them out of the competition. I can’t wait to listen to TS later this morning. You seem obsessed with Scottish football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, harrys said: You seem obsessed with Scottish football Not obsessed, irritated by it tho when pundits rave on about unbeaten runs or wins as if it means something. The only real test that the Old Firm have is when they play each other. Personally I’d like to see both Glasgow clubs playing in the English Leagues - never going to happen tho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Robbored said: Not obsessed, irritated by it tho when pundits rave on about unbeaten runs or wins as if it means something. The only real test that the Old Firm have is when they play each other. Personally I’d like to see both Glasgow clubs playing in the English Leagues - never going to happen tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 There is a world of difference between the PL and SPL finance being the main one. Rangers did superbly last season to reach a major final but would always struggle against the better teams in Europe. I would guess that not one Rangers player would get into the Liverpool Squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, Robbored said: Not obsessed, irritated by it tho when pundits rave on about unbeaten runs or wins as if it means something. The only real test that the Old Firm have is when they play each other. Personally I’d like to see both Glasgow clubs playing in the English Leagues - never going to happen tho. And what league would they come in to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 The downs leauge 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Super said: And what league would they come in to? There's 2 parts to that question. In terms of fairness, they can't just go into the Prem In terms of competitiveness, I've no doubt if Rangers and/or Celtic were in the Prem with that big money they'd be as big a pull as any of the top clubs for top players 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, MarcusX said: There's 2 parts to that question. In terms of fairness, they can't just go into the Prem In terms of competitiveness, I've no doubt if Rangers and/or Celtic were in the Prem with that big money they'd be as big a pull as any of the top clubs for top players Absolutely right and there’s a third question - what would happen to the Scottish Premier without the Old Firm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 When Nottingham Forest spend more than the entire Eredivisie and the total Premier League net spend is over a billion, you have to question if there already is a super league. It's certainly not fair to compare Scottish football to English 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Super said: And what league would they come in to? 14 minutes ago, Robbored said: Absolutely right and there’s a third question - what would happen to the Scottish Premier without the Old Firm? The entire Scottish (and Welsh and N Irish) leagues should be absorbed into the English League system. Which should then be renamed and rebranded to be the United Kingdom Football League. The top level of each regional league should sit alongside the current National Leagues North and South, and then each of those five leagues - the English North and South, the Scottish, the Welsh, and the N Irish, get one team promoted into the National League each season. The lower leagues of Scotland, Wales and N Ireland continue to operate to feed teams into the National League. At each step above this level I would increase promotion and relegation by 1. Basically properly integrate it all into a single national League system. Then let Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts, TNS, Linfield and the rest find their place within the system. Simultaneously the regional FAs become true regional FAs under the current English FA. As ana side I'd also generally dispense with the 4 national sides and amalgamate a single UK side for all international competitions. I am well aware that this will not happen. Edited October 13, 2022 by ExiledAjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Didn’t the second best team in Scotland go further in the Europa League last year than any English team, just to play Devil’s advocate? Still not a bad achievement. Agree Scottish league is dull though, when only 2 teams ever win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Agree Scottish league is dull though, when only 2 teams ever win it. Yet hundreds of thousands watch the championship.... Where every season at least 2 of the 3 teams going up will be from the 3 that came down the previous season... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, steveybadger said: Didn’t the second best team in Scotland go further in the Europa League last year than any English team, just to play Devil’s advocate? Still not a bad achievement. Agree Scottish league is dull though, when only 2 teams ever win it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Super said: There is a world of difference between the PL and SPL finance being the main one. Rangers did superbly last season to reach a major final but would always struggle against the better teams in Europe. I would guess that not one Rangers player would get into the Liverpool Squad. Just listened to Simon Jordan discussing this on Talksport. In 3 premier league games Liverpool receive as much money as do the entire Scottish Premiership over an entire season. Liverpool's total revenues are on the region of £500m pa while Rangers' is around £60m. A gulf in class is therefore hardly a surprise! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Robbored said: Rangers 1 Liverpool 7……….……….and Liverpool hammered them with half their team missing. Even more evidence that the Scottish Premier is of poor quality and has always been a two horse race - consequently neither Glasgow clubs hold their own in the Champions League. That’s both of them out of the competition. I can’t wait to listen to TS later this morning. And there was me thinking this was going to be about Danny Wilson and Gary Johnson…. Or Bristol City and Preston…… was you there last night @Robbored? But **** me oh no. It’s another of your favourites. Isn’t Thursday early Post Office day to get your pension? Where’s that emoji you like? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said: Isn’t Thursday early Post Office day to get your pension? Where’s that emoji you Both my pensions are paid into my account automatically - no need to collect cash on a weekly basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I got my wages today. Took out a tenner then i gave it away to a stranger. Did this 4 times un ten minutes. Got refered to the dr. He says i have withdraw synptons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Not a Liverpool fan or any Prem team tbh, but I have to say when I heard the score I pissed myself laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I don’t know what’s expected of these teams, football is now geared up for 3 divisions and 1 other team who have a lot of money. How does anyone expect rangers or Celtic to complete in the CL? They may get the odd good result but overall they don’t have the finance to compete. And it’s not like Liverpool and Man City have not done this in the Premier league either is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Robbored said: Rangers 1 Liverpool 7……….……….and Liverpool hammered them with half their team missing. Even more evidence that the Scottish Premier is of poor quality and has always been a two horse race - consequently neither Glasgow clubs hold their own in the Champions League. That’s both of them out of the competition. I can’t wait to listen to TS later this morning. Not this again! If Rangers or Celtic were in the English leagues they would have the same money as the English teams have and therefore would attract top players and would be two huge clubs. Scottish football doesn't get the same finances so they don't get the top players so they aren't as good. Seems some people think being Scottish makes them somehow inferior to the English, when it's obviously all about the money 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick jones of hereford Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I would be appalled at the two Glasgow clubs being allowed into the Premiership. It would make it even more difficult for the likes of Bristol City to make it to the top tier. Perhaps more importantly the two Glasgow clubs playing in England would exponentially increase issues of disorder & crowd control. Fans from both clubs perpetuate sectarian hatred with their vile songs and lack of mutual respect. There’s nothing wrong with local rivalry, but the sectarian hatred is not something we want within the top English league. I remind myself that Berwick is in England but plays in the Scottish league - curiously their fans were banned from displaying English flags at away matches. it is appreciated that there’s rivalry between English & Welsh clubs and people - but generally it’s little more than that. Both societally and in football terms, it would be a retrograde step to allow the Glasgow clubs into English football. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockneydave Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: The entire Scottish (and Welsh and N Irish) leagues should be absorbed into the English League system. Which should then be renamed and rebranded to be the United Kingdom Football League. The top level of each regional league should sit alongside the current National Leagues North and South, and then each of those five leagues - the English North and South, the Scottish, the Welsh, and the N Irish, get one team promoted into the National League each season. The lower leagues of Scotland, Wales and N Ireland continue to operate to feed teams into the National League. At each step above this level I would increase promotion and relegation by 1. Basically properly integrate it all into a single national League system. Then let Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, Hearts, TNS, Linfield and the rest find their place within the system. Simultaneously the regional FAs become true regional FAs under the current English FA. As ana side I'd also generally dispense with the 4 national sides and amalgamate a single UK side for all international competitions. I am well aware that this will not happen. Be great to pop up to Aberdeen for an evening match.!! Hard enough getting across Bristol some of the time!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Dunno about now lulsgate used to fly to aberdeen. You probaly could get there quicker, than some routes to the gate is the mad thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Robbored said: Not obsessed, irritated by it tho when pundits rave on about unbeaten runs or wins as if it means something. The only real test that the Old Firm have is when they play each other. Personally I’d like to see both Glasgow clubs playing in the English Leagues - never going to happen tho. NO, NO THRICE NO. Why so that we stand even less chance to get there? Just because three Welsh clubs have been there for more than 100 years doesn't mean that we should turn the top tier into a British Premier League to satisfy two clubs from a country where a significant number of citizens want to be independent from GB/England. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 13, 2022 Admin Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Super said: There is a world of difference between the PL and SPL finance being the main one. Rangers did superbly last season to reach a major final but would always struggle against the better teams in Europe. I would guess that not one Rangers player would get into the Liverpool Squad. Not just those leagues, both the Glasgow sides are out of their depth against the other sides in their groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, cockneydave said: Be great to pop up to Aberdeen for an evening match.!! Hard enough getting across Bristol some of the time!! Less distance and time than Marseille to Brest, Marseille to Lille or Seville to Bilbao. Plenty of other national leagues and fans cope with those kinds of distances. Even only a little further than Plymouth to Carlisle. The question was asked how to integrate the Scottish clubs into the English league system. What I posted would be my suggestion. There would be issues, but it's a hypothetical question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, cockneydave said: Be great to pop up to Aberdeen for an evening match.!! Hard enough getting across Bristol some of the time!! Some of the time dave?..... Bleeding all of the time.... Cant wait for the underground to get built though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, archie andrews said: Some of the time dave?..... Bleeding all of the time.... Cant wait for the underground to get built though..... It's ok the CAZ takes effect in Novemeber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Less distance and time than Marseille to Brest, Marseille to Lille or Seville to Bilbao. Plenty of other national leagues and fans cope with those kinds of distances. Even only a little further than Plymouth to Carlisle. Hmm.... I'm not so sure, but I doubt it is less expensive. Travel comfort, with a guaranteed seat for you and your children - 32€. Bargain. Votre trajet Marseille - Lille en bref : Prix minimum adulte : 16€ Gare de départ : Marseille Saint – Charles, Gare d'arrivée : Lille flandres Durée du trajet : 4h30 Prix minimum enfant : 8€ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nongazeuse Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 hours ago, nick jones of hereford said: I would be appalled at the two Glasgow clubs being allowed into the Premiership. It would make it even more difficult for the likes of Bristol City to make it to the top tier. Perhaps more importantly the two Glasgow clubs playing in England would exponentially increase issues of disorder & crowd control. Fans from both clubs perpetuate sectarian hatred with their vile songs and lack of mutual respect. There’s nothing wrong with local rivalry, but the sectarian hatred is not something we want within the top English league. I remind myself that Berwick is in England but plays in the Scottish league - curiously their fans were banned from displaying English flags at away matches. it is appreciated that there’s rivalry between English & Welsh clubs and people - but generally it’s little more than that. Both societally and in football terms, it would be a retrograde step to allow the Glasgow clubs into English football. Maybe Rangers and Celtic could replace Worcester and Wasps in the Premiership. The cash would be useful although the players may struggle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Northern Red Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Hearts continuing Scotland's excellent week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 11 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: Two birds with one stones this time, very impressive Robbo Yes we know you love Liverpool and hate Scottish football He desperately wants 40k posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Robbored said: Absolutely right and there’s a third question - what would happen to the Scottish Premier without the Old Firm? Many in Scotland believe that without the bigot brothers the SPL would thrive. More teams would have the opportunity to win trophies which in turn would increase attendances. When either of the ugly sisters travel, yes they bring their support but, they also bring trouble meaning higher policing and stewarding costs for the home club. Despite the CL results Scottish football is starting to thrive with a lot of young talent being produced, many of whom are playing abroad. Personally I would love to see them both go but who is going to have them? There is no way that they should simply walk into the EPL but, as SAF said last week, were it to happen, within 5 years they would be challenging for the top 6 with the extra revenue available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 12 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: Two birds with one stones this time, very impressive Robbo Yes we know you love Liverpool and hate Scottish football GJ getting the Aberdeen job would be the icing on the cake for him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said: . Seems some people think being Scottish makes them somehow inferior to the English. Is Tommy Conway aware of this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 On 13/10/2022 at 08:52, Robbored said: Absolutely right and there’s a third question - what would happen to the Scottish Premier without the Old Firm? And which clubs would be relegated from the Prem to make way for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 35 minutes ago, 22A said: And which clubs would be relegated from the Prem to make way for them? Or, to take it a step further, out of the entire league? With one exception obviously I wouldn`t want to see two League 2 clubs chucked out to accommodate those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 41 minutes ago, 22A said: And which clubs would be relegated from the Prem to make way for them? Maybe just expand the PL to allow the Glasgow clubs in…………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Maybe just expand the PL to allow the Glasgow clubs in…………. I can remember Football League Division 1 with 22 clubs in it, but I believe it was enshrined that the Prem will consist of 20 clubs. In a radio interview the Celtic Chairman stated Celtic Rangers should be allowed in the Prem so they would be used to facing strong opponents and would therefore be better equipped to play n Europe. Hmm; nothing there about contributing to the Prem, just how beneficial it would be to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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