Resembles O'Driscoll

[robinforlife2]

2 hours ago, IAmNick said:

The thing is we'd need an experienced manager who can a) get results in the short to medium term with only the players we have, because we have zero funds to make changes, and b) continue the work to replace some players we do have on high wages (Wells, Kalas, maybe Bentley) with championship quality replacements for almost nothing.

I'm not sure someone who doesn't know the country, let alone the league is the answer there. Maybe in a couple of years once we're stabilised.

Other options like Rowett given the same constraints, will he get us promoted? Not for me. So why change? Another manager to pay off, crap football, and a couple of places higher in the league if we're lucky? 

I think we're relatively safe with what we've got, which given the circumstances isn't something to scoff at. Because we have played some decent football and got some results this year it's easy to forget quite how restricted we are at the moment - the last few times this situation required a complete reset in L1 for a few years.

John Aloisi had 5 years as a player in England, and played in the Premier League for Coventry as well.  To say he doesn't know the country would be harsh, given he played at the highest level in it!

[petehinton]

35 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

How far back to we want to go...

March 2010-present

1. GJ goes and Coppell in

2. Coppell out, Millen in

3. Millen out, McInnes in

4. McInnes out, O'Driscoll in

5. O'Driscoll out, Cotts in

7. Cotts out, LJ in

8. LJ out, Holden in

9. Holden out, NP in

That is 8 managers, 9 if you include GJ and his departure as a starting point.

It's unevenly spread in truth but think excluding caretakers we have averaged roughly a manager every 2 seasons in my time! (Started as Benny replaced Ward but had a little bit of awareness of Ward's final weeks).

When exactly did SL tske control so I am measuring a fair sample size?

I put a decent chunk of the current mess down to Holden era tbh. Not his fault, he was never going to turn the gig down, but it was a total ******* mess. The expensive short term signings, the pile of injuries, ******* up Joe Williams’ hamstrings because we had no other choice. Assistant managers sold a dream wanting to jump ship the minute he went. List could go on. 
 

If we had Pearson and Rennie in after LJ went (and not take 6 weeks to do it) we’d be in a far different situation imo. 

[Davefevs]

15 hours ago, Logical-City said:

 

The comparison to O’Driscoll is the negative speech I hear in pre/post match interviews,limiting our expectations and ambition based on said the size of our club …our finances  in comparison to others…being “realistic”

Clubs we have competed with at League 1 level in the last 20 years have been promoted to the championship before us , promoted to the premier league , experienced back to back relegations Blackpool, Wigan…Luton went all the way back to the conference, hell Rotherham look as likely as us to compete or better this season. 
treading water for decades  

Gary Johnson took us from League one for 7 years to a Championship play off final in 3 years…with belief 

Pearson is unfortunately and I want him to succeed not inspiring the fan base and in turn the players to be ambitious for this club, he has unearthed, improved and polished some great young players but clubs like us need a spark rather than a sensible head in my opinion,

LJ was sacked because we weren’t breaking in the top 6 …Pearson has been in the top 6 with us once in 3 years…for 5 days 

We need to dream again not be “realistic “

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Or comments like….Europe in 5 years, Premier League team in training, world class basics, you’d be surprised at the global interest we’ve had (appoints Dean Holden), etc.

Are you genuinely happy to do a Luton and go into the non-league first before rising again…for example?  Or maybe choose an example without a happy ending for balance.

It’s really easy to portray realism for negativity.

Ideally you build from a position of strength…we had moments of that as we ended 16/17 going into 17/18, but imho we got too big for our boots.

You say we needed a spark rather than a sensible head…but there are no guarantees you get a spark, if it was easy we’d have done it.

One could easily argue O’Driscoll put in place the foundations for Cotts, then LJ.  So let’s get back on an even keel first…then we can grow.

Your post(s) reads like anyone but Pearson and it’s all happily ever after.  He’s picking up the pieces of “mis-management”, I’ll take reality and patience at the mo’ thanks.

 

 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

I put a decent chunk of the current mess down to Holden era tbh. Not his fault, he was never going to turn the gig down, but it was a total ******* mess. The expensive short term signings, the pile of injuries, ******* up Joe Williams’ hamstrings because we had no other choice. Assistant managers sold a dream wanting to jump ship the minute he went. List could go on. 
 

If we had Pearson and Rennie in after LJ went (and not take 6 weeks to do it) we’d be in a far different situation imo. 

I don’t think I’d label Holden’s expensive short term signings as part of the reason.  He had the start of the financial constraints to deal with…only Williams cost a fee (Mawson and Sessegnon loan fees).

Injuries were a nightmare agreed.

Edited October 16, 2022 by Davefevs

[Superjack]

5 hours ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

As we inevitably, inexorably slip and slide whence we came, and L1 beckons once more, I just cannot wait for the Radio Local bod to put the question that must be put: "Are you up for the fight, Nige?"

 

[Numero Uno]

3 hours ago, Pezo said:

Question for all those ex managers, what has stopped Bristol City getting to the prem? I don't think they will say lack of investment or backing, instead I think it will be either coming into a poor situation created by previous managers or lack of support in dealing with those problems (McInnes strongly hinted at this).

I was pondering if sticking with managers for longer time periods like we do holds us back, I know there is a very good argument for keeping managers and holding down costs but if managers stay too long they really get to embed there practices and if those practices are wrong then they are harder for the next manager to remove and replace.

Is a rolling set of managers every 2 years actually beneficial as long as you have control of the financial side of things.

I would look a bit higher than the Managers to be brutally honest. Investment is fantastic but allied to that what has been the plan from the very top? That is the primary reason why the likes of Burnley, Huddersfield, Hull City and many others started below us and have had their time in the Premier League over the last 20 years whilst we are just Championship also rans. They had a plan, we have just humbled along (and totally bottled it at the top of the club pre-FFP in 2008 when promotion was staring us on the face and needed the final investment to make it happen).

[Mr Popodopolous]

50 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I would look a bit higher than the Managers to be brutally honest. Investment is fantastic but allied to that what has been the plan from the very top? That is the primary reason why the likes of Burnley, Huddersfield, Hull City and many others started below us and have had their time in the Premier League over the last 20 years whilst we are just Championship also rans. They had a plan, we have just humbled along (and totally bottled it at the top of the club pre-FFP in 2008 when promotion was staring us on the face and needed the final investment to make it happen).

£10m more in January 2008 and do we go up?

I think too, 2018 in a different way was a missed opportunity- not so much financially, we were at limits but the chance to capitalise on a) The momentum of the Cup run and b) Our strong recent Cup epxerience in the squad- perfect for a playoff type scenario IMO! 2019 we still had some of these in the squad so one final chance had we made the playoffs, just about within the cycle.

Exhibit A, Burnley 2009. Reached Cup semi finals, very similarly to us beating some PL sides, losing narrowly to Tottenham at that stage- yet they drove on, they drove on and won the playoffs!

Edited October 16, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[petehinton]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t think I’d label Holden’s expensive short term signings as part of the reason.  He had the start of the financial constraints to deal with…only Williams cost a fee (Mawson and Sessegnon loan fees).

Injuries were a nightmare agreed.

True, but he almost seemed pressured into taking Brunt (being driven 2 hours in every day, injured, retired within 8 weeks), Mawson was brilliant but a risk, and as you say an expensive one. Lansbury….next. 
 

I wonder if a more experienced manager who didn’t feel like he couldn’t believe his luck to have the job would’ve pushed back on some of them, or veered us down another route. 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, petehinton said:

True, but he almost seemed pressured into taking Brunt (being driven 2 hours in every day, injured, retired within 8 weeks), Mawson was brilliant but a risk, and as you say an expensive one. Lansbury….next. 
 

I wonder if a more experienced manager who didn’t feel like he couldn’t believe his luck to have the job would’ve pushed back on some of them, or veered us down another route. 

He made mistakes through inexperience, no arguments, and we were very poor for a spell.  But I think he was taking over in a tough time, with the financial situation a mess.  He needed support, but was made scapegoat.

[Pezo]

3 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

I would look a bit higher than the Managers to be brutally honest. Investment is fantastic but allied to that what has been the plan from the very top? That is the primary reason why the likes of Burnley, Huddersfield, Hull City and many others started below us and have had their time in the Premier League over the last 20 years whilst we are just Championship also rans. They had a plan, we have just humbled along (and totally bottled it at the top of the club pre-FFP in 2008 when promotion was staring us on the face and needed the final investment to make it happen).

That is pretty much what I am getting at but you can't ask the people above what the problems are because they will say how much they trusted people so you have to ask the people that aren't employees or owners anymore if you want an honest assessment rather than some wishy washy political nothing to pin down type answer.

[Pezo]

7 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

How far back to we want to go...

March 2010-present

1. GJ goes and Coppell in

2. Coppell out, Millen in

3. Millen out, McInnes in

4. McInnes out, O'Driscoll in

5. O'Driscoll out, Cotts in

7. Cotts out, LJ in

8. LJ out, Holden in

9. Holden out, NP in

That is 8 managers, 9 if you include GJ and his departure as a starting point.

It's unevenly spread in truth but think excluding caretakers we have averaged roughly a manager every 2 seasons in my time! (Started as Benny replaced Ward but had a little bit of awareness of Ward's final weeks).

When exactly did SL tske control so I am measuring a fair sample size?

He's been involved at the club for 30 years but not all as chairman or majority shareholder. If I remember rightly SL became chairman in 2002 which plonks him straight in the middle of Danny Wilson's era. So you have got to "judge him on Tinnion" as well before GJ time.

[NickJ]

There’s a chap by the name of Steve Cotterill doing a decent job at a club with very limited resources called Shrewsbury doing a decent job at the moment 

[Davefevs]

47 minutes ago, NickJ said:

There’s a chap by the name of Steve Cotterill doing a decent job at a club with very limited resources called Shrewsbury doing a decent job at the moment 

Much as I love Cotts, I think in context of Shrewsbury, he’s been well backed….obviously not like some of the clubs in the division.  Hope he continues his progress with them, definitely feels like he’s got a lot of his mojo / ego back, they are going nicely in recent weeks.  Shame Nurse out for the season.

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, NickJ said:

There’s a chap by the name of Steve Cotterill doing a decent job at a club with very limited resources called Shrewsbury doing a decent job at the moment 

He’s doing really well of late.

Tough division with the likes of Wednesday, Ipswich, Derby, Charlton & Pompey being far bigger clubs, but I’d love to see him make the playoffs.