The Bard Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/02/why-japan-second-var-goal-against-spain-was-allowed-to-stand-world-cup-ball-line 2 angles of same ball says it all really 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, downendcity said: Id have thought you'd have produced graph to demonstrate this this by now Dave! I googled “pictures of balls in” and didn’t think it was appropriate to post the images on OTIB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Just now, Davefevs said: I googled “pictures of balls in” and didn’t think it was appropriate to post the images on OTIB. Could have been a bit of a "cock up"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Sort of proves my point that Germany statistically really were not so bad. Tournament wise too. The loss to Japan was the killer. They scored in every game, are high up in every attacking stat, and a 1-1 with Spain and 4-2 in your final game is a good result. 4 points and positive GD would sometimes be enough to get you through, and indeed has been enough for Spain, and Poland have gone through with 4 points and neutral GD. They've gone out in the group stage, but 50% of teams do that. They're far from the worst team at this tournament. But the expectations on them are very high, so judged against that...they may be the biggest disappointment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) Anyway dunno why I'm defending Germany so much. Someone I had a suboptimal experience with in the summer I remembered this morning is part German. Germany certainly has some good things football wise and generally, but in the context of my experience and this football outcome. To that individual! Auf Wiedersehen Deutschland, Weltmeiserschaft 2022! Edited December 2, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, petehinton said: Iconic This has to be the ultimate definition of small margins in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Who has been more impressive than England so far across all games? France and Brazil. Can’t see anyone else. 3rd best team so far. Reasons to be optimistic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, downendcity said: Could have been a bit of a "cock up"! From a Japs-eye view if it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: The loss to Japan was the killer. They scored in every game, are high up in every attacking stat, and a 1-1 with Spain and 4-2 in your final game is a good result. 4 points and positive GD would sometimes be enough to get you through, and indeed has been enough for Spain, and Poland have gone through with 4 points and neutral GD. They've gone out in the group stage, but 50% of teams do that. They're far from the worst team at this tournament. But the expectations on them are very high, so judged against that...they may be the biggest disappointment. Yes, agreed thank you. It is why I am a bit of a sceptic when people crow that Germany are terrible etc. Terrible in certain areas perhaps but exactly that is laid our well. They also averaged about 58 pct possession and didn't concede a huge number of shots either albeit not the best...hit woodwork 5 times, statistically quite good, dominant even. Edited December 2, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Germany played well at times, a bit unlucky perhaps with how the group played out but thems the breaks. As for England, we beat 2 teams who look poor on those days and drew with a good team. Not saying we are poor too, just we haven't had a big test yet. Optimistic though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: World Cup Hokey Cokey. Is that Helen Skelton's couple's choice on Strictly tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjb Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I googled “pictures of balls in” and didn’t think it was appropriate to post the images on OTIB. A mate of mine was helping to run the 3rd team at the club I played for, they needed a new bag for the match and training balls. He instantly regretted doing a Google search for a ‘massive ball bag’! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 37 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Who has been more impressive than England so far across all games? France and Brazil. Can’t see anyone else. 3rd best team so far. Reasons to be optimistic If you treat France's first two matches separately from their third then yes. Of teams that have played all 3 England are definitely up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 53 minutes ago, The Bard said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/02/why-japan-second-var-goal-against-spain-was-allowed-to-stand-world-cup-ball-line 2 angles of same ball says it all really Decent article however if England went out this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Semenyo is on the bench again. Was hoping he might get a couple of goals, or maybe a goal and assist this tournament. Still time of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 hours ago, downendcity said: This is not a truly overhead photograph, as if it were then the crossbar would be directly over the goal line, rather sitting a little to the right. For it to be properly overhead, then the viewpoint would need to shift slightly to the right . The resulting change of perspective would make the ball look much more in than do any of the pictures that have been shown - all of which appear to have been taken from the left ( as we see in this picture), so all of them suffer the same perspective issue, and explains why the immediate response of pundits was disbelief. I was Googling how goal line tech works and found this article from a German guy dated June 2022 who mentions the Lampard goal and how Germany might suffer a similar fate in the future! He wasn't wrong!https://www.scienceabc.com/innovation/how-does-the-goal-line-technology-work.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 25 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Semenyo is on the bench again. Was hoping he might get a couple of goals, or maybe a goal and assist this tournament. Still time of course. Would increase his value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Fairytale of Doha! https://www.givemesport.com/88090420-best-england-song-fan-creates-banger-to-theme-of-fairytale-of-new-york/amp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: The loss to Japan was the killer. They scored in every game, are high up in every attacking stat, and a 1-1 with Spain and 4-2 in your final game is a good result. 4 points and positive GD would sometimes be enough to get you through, and indeed has been enough for Spain, and Poland have gone through with 4 points and neutral GD. They've gone out in the group stage, but 50% of teams do that. They're far from the worst team at this tournament. But the expectations on them are very high, so judged against that...they may be the biggest disappointment. Thought it was worth putting FIFA rankings against each team in each group…and looking at who outperformed / underperformed. Caveat the Fifa World are what they are!!! Group B (England’s group) was both the toughest group in terms of average ranking and the group with the lowest spread (highest minus lowest) of rankings. Group E (Japan, Spain and Germany) was the 2nd toughest and the 2nd lowest spread. Group A (Netherlands) was the easiest group, had the joint 2nd biggest spread, and at this point in time is the only group to go to form, ie group finish matched their rank. The top half of the draw, all the top ranked teams went through as group winners. The bottom half of the draw, both groups concluded have seen the highest ranked teams finish worse off. You could argue Croatia played a blinder finishing second and avoiding either Germany or Spain. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 has anyone video of AS coming on as a sub against Portugal? I missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erithacus Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Am thinking Sir Geoff Hurst MBE is sat at home today with a bit of a smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 They're mentioning the Suarez handball incident in the last world cup. Yes he got red carded and Ghana awarded penalty which they then missed but isn't there a case for awarding a "penalty goal" without need for a kick? A player other than the goalkeeper has illegally prevented the ball going into the net so to me it would make sense. Having said that the latest offside laws allow whoever is officiating to interprete them to their own whims! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Anyone else think that the Round of 16 should be drawn out of a hat, a bit like how it's done in Champions League and Europa League? It prevents teams from throwing games to get favourable 'paths' and makes things a lot less predictable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Penalty scuffing by opposition players needs to stop. That Nunez who plays for Liverpool is horrible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totterdown's Finest Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Terrible, terrible penalty... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 I don't think it was a pen anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, 2015 said: Anyone else think that the Round of 16 should be drawn out of a hat, a bit like how it's done in Champions League and Europa League? It prevents teams from throwing games to get favourable 'paths' and makes things a lot less predictable I can see the merits, but you'd need a lot more time than they have at a World Cup or Euros, it's all planned so that the tournament flows from one round to the other with teams having a certain number of days between games and knowing when they might be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Get in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Super said: Get in You support Uruguay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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