Eddie Hitler Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Cannybluff said: These markets are really small and you wouldn't likely make much from that. There are loads of markets much bigger that players can influence that do affect how they make decisions in matches. Gambling is one of those things that can draw people in. No idea how much he's made on those bets but fairly sure his finances would be secure without it. Yes, I know a couple of people who overheard, through being in the next room, that Ryan Lowe was going to be the next Plymouth manager several days before it was announced. Initially I thought "Why didn't you put money on?", but he was the clear odds-on favourite so if you turned up to the bookies with ten grand they would have told you to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 5 hours ago, maxjak said: I bet you don't Can I run a book on it At present 1/3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Harry said: Was this a collaboration or did you all come up with this by yourselves Bet he didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Yes, I know a couple of people who overheard, through being in the next room, that Ryan Lowe was going to be the next Plymouth manager several days before it was announced. Initially I thought "Why didn't you put money on?", but he was the clear odds-on favourite so if you turned up to the bookies with ten grand they would have told you to go away. Yes, because Plymouth decided Lowe would be their manager and then waited several days to appoint him. Utter BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champfan45 Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 If he's found guilty and subsequently banned, would Brentford be able to sell/loan him out to a foreign league? Or would his contract be terminated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yes, because Plymouth decided Lowe would be their manager and then waited several days to appoint him. Utter BS. No, entirely true, or rather true the way I said it rather than your rendering. It wasn't "appoint" it was "announce". There is a difference. This was during the rebuilding of Home Park when their management and admin were in temporary offices. There was a particular reason for the delay of several days which I don't recall; presumably to do with his previous club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 If one of his bets was that he wouldn't make the England squad, he'll have the last laugh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: An ex local manager had a 3 yr ban imposed for betting on football matches involving his own team. Several ex Taunton Town players got done for this a few months ago!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Champfan45 said: If he's found guilty and subsequently banned, would Brentford be able to sell/loan him out to a foreign league? Or would his contract be terminated As far as I understand it, It depends if he has broken FA rules or FIFA rules. I imagine - unless what he has allegedly done is an obscure technicality - a ban would be upheld globally. In terms of whether he had his contract terminated, that would be at Brentford’s discretion and would likely come down to the length of the ban vs the length of time on his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: As far as I understand it, It depends if he has broken FA rules or FIFA rules. I imagine - unless what he has allegedly done is an obscure technicality - a ban would be upheld globally. In terms of whether he had his contract terminated, that would be at Brentford’s discretion and would likely come down to the length of the ban vs the length of time on his contract. Yep. Kieran Trippier was banned under FA rules but couldn't play for Atletico Madrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 Trippier was banned for four months. Sturridge got four months (for similar offences to Toney) and Barton got 18 months for placing 1,260 bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 Saw something today which said : During this period, Toney was scoring goals in the Championship, where 2/3rds of the teams were sponsored by betting companies. He then moved to the Premier league, where half the teams wear a bookies name on the front of their shirt, whilst 18 of the 20 teams have at least 1 betting ‘partner’. And we wonder why players gamble? Such hypocrisy. An industry that takes millions (nay billions) from encouraging gambling (which in turn ruins loads of lives), pretends to be all high and mighty when one of their representatives does it. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 And to add to that. Rather than imposing bans to players who clearly have a massive gambling addiction, they should be offering support and counselling to them to get them out of the debilitation of the addiction. Especially given the fact that it is so openly encouraged by the receipt of billions of pounds of sponsorship and so there ought to be a responsibility from the recipients of that cash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harry said: And to add to that. Rather than imposing bans to players who clearly have a massive gambling addiction, they should be offering support and counselling to them to get them out of the debilitation of the addiction. Especially given the fact that it is so openly encouraged by the receipt of billions of pounds of sponsorship and so there ought to be a responsibility from the recipients of that cash! 232 Bets in 4 years isn't really a massive gambling addiction is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Super said: 232 Bets in 4 years isn't really a massive gambling addiction is it? Depends how big on the bets are but agreed 232 in 4 years is nothing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 I thought anyone associated with a Club wasn't allowed to bet on football fullstop. Players, managers, coaching staff, club staff. Refs etc. All explained here. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/betting-rules 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, Super said: 232 Bets in 4 years isn't really a massive gambling addiction is it? One bet per week on average is not a massive gambling problem unless he’s betting a massive percentage of his salary. Could well be some fun bets on a weekend. If it is just that then a long ban seems an overreaction. If he’s bet on brentford games then it would be deserved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 16 hours ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: An ex local manager had a 3 yr ban imposed for betting on football matches involving his own team. Was that the Frome manager? Bunyard I believe? if not, he also suffered the same fate. dozens of bets against his own team Some would defend it by saying it's hedging your bets - win your happy, lose you've won some money back but it's not allowed even at that level. I remember start of each season we used to get a memo in the changing room reminding us we couldn't bet - but at that level it's very difficult to police unless you're betting huge amounts that gain attention (or stupid bets) or someone knows about it and whistle-blows. I see @Harry's post and there's a certain sense of irony that you play in a league sponsored by a gambling company, with a gambling company on your shirt with gambling adverts everywhere during broadcasts and at pitchside - all done to entice people to gamble - but dont you dare get tempted. Not saying it's right, but it's not a great look. I don't like how intrinsically linked gambling is with sport personally. As for Toney, this clearly had a factor in his selection for England. Gareth has shown before that the team is bigger than an individual and won't include players clouded in controversy. He was the first to drop Greenwood, whether he knew about the allegations or just based on attitude and the Iceland incident who knows, but appears he's a good judge of character. He got rid of Madison after that casino trip too when he'd pulled out of England duty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Super said: 232 Bets in 4 years isn't really a massive gambling addiction is it? That’s the bets he’s made which are against FA rules. I’m sure if he’s gambling on stuff he’s not allowed to, he’s likely gambling on a heck of a lot else too. Bloke needs help, guidance and counselling, not banning and castigating. And football needs to unwed itself from the financial grip of the bookies. Edited November 17, 2022 by Harry 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: One bet per week on average is not a massive gambling problem unless he’s betting a massive percentage of his salary. Could well be some fun bets on a weekend. If it is just that then a long ban seems an overreaction. If he’s bet on brentford games then it would be deserved It’s not about having a gambling problem, just that it’s against the rules as Spud shows below. 1 hour ago, spudski said: I thought anyone associated with a Club wasn't allowed to bet on football fullstop. Players, managers, coaching staff, club staff. Refs etc. All explained here. https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/betting-rules 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s not about having a gambling problem, just that it’s against the rules as Spud shows below. I know that. I never said it was. I was just answering the point about a gambling problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, MarcusX said: Was that the Frome manager? Bunyard I believe? if not, he also suffered the same fate. dozens of bets against his own team Some would defend it by saying it's hedging your bets - win your happy, lose you've won some money back but it's not allowed even at that level. I remember start of each season we used to get a memo in the changing room reminding us we couldn't bet - but at that level it's very difficult to police unless you're betting huge amounts that gain attention (or stupid bets) or someone knows about it and whistle-blows. I see @Harry's post and there's a certain sense of irony that you play in a league sponsored by a gambling company, with a gambling company on your shirt with gambling adverts everywhere during broadcasts and at pitchside - all done to entice people to gamble - but dont you dare get tempted. Not saying it's right, but it's not a great look. I don't like how intrinsically linked gambling is with sport personally. As for Toney, this clearly had a factor in his selection for England. Gareth has shown before that the team is bigger than an individual and won't include players clouded in controversy. He was the first to drop Greenwood, whether he knew about the allegations or just based on attitude and the Iceland incident who knows, but appears he's a good judge of character. He got rid of Madison after that casino trip too when he'd pulled out of England duty. Yep Bunyard I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 Ivan benjamin elijah toney.... Real name too..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, archie andrews said: Ivan benjamin elijah toney.... Real name too..... I thought that was a really clever joke until I checked it out. You couldn’t make it up! IBET 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 Is this bet thread sponsored by BetFred? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted November 17, 2022 Report Share Posted November 17, 2022 17 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yes, because Plymouth decided Lowe would be their manager and then waited several days to appoint him. Utter BS. Wasn't Lowe appointed pre season? Therefore a few days could quite easily have been possible and not announced, as the players and staff could have all been on leave? Closer to home surely we didn't decide Holden was our man on the actual day he was appointed? I'd say that decision was made more than a few days before appointing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted November 18, 2022 Report Share Posted November 18, 2022 On 17/11/2022 at 07:51, Harry said: Was this a collaboration or did you all come up with this by yourselves Great minds Harry No, just bored mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ronnie Sinclair Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 Been charged with another 30 breaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 20, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: Been charged with another 30 breaches Forgot all about him during the World Cup. I do wonder how much of these charges had a bearing on him staying home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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