Vyner

[Bobbie]

Outstanding tonight. 
 

Give that man a new contract 

[Engvall’s Splinter]

Whilst I appreciate his primary role is to defend, which he did well, his distribution is woeful. 

[tin]

Having Tanner protecting him and offering an outlet was a massive help. 

[GrahamC]

Man of the match by a distance for me, immense.

Delighted for him.

[The Swan and Cemetery]

4 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Whilst I appreciate his primary role is to defend, which he did well, his distribution is woeful. 

Tonight at least didn’t think his distribution was too bad, as mainly short balls, but he’s definitely no Naismith when it comes to longer balls. 

[ralphindevon]

Atkinson looking trustworthy too

[cidered abroad]

6 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Whilst I appreciate his primary role is to defend, which he did well, his distribution is woeful. 

Woeful distribution tonight?

I think the opposite!

[kiwicolin]

Everyone was on his back. Worked hard to get back into the first team. Well done Zak   

 

[Finley_Smith10]

Solid defensively. Horrendous offensively 

[GrahamC]

25 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Woeful distribution tonight?

I think the opposite!

So did I, someone is either desperate to criticise or wasn’t watching properly.

Zak used the ball excellently tonight, bit of a gutter for those looking for something to moan about.

Edited December 29, 2022 by GrahamC

[The Swan and Cemetery]

2 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

Atkinson looking trustworthy too

Agree, although looked like he was blowing after about 30 mins, wonder if NP thinks he has something of the Cam Pring of a season or two ago and his being left out relates to needing to improve fitness? Looked good in the middle tonight. 

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

Just now, Finley_Smith10 said:

Solid defensively. Horrendous offensively 

Really?  Please explain..

[bexhill reds]

12 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Whilst I appreciate his primary role is to defend, which he did well, his distribution is woeful. 

Mmm, I think not. Got a good pass on him that boy.  

[ProfitInMyPocket]

Thought he played a lot of good balls into midfield in the second half, his switches to Pring weren't as good as Naismith to Tanner but he barely put a foot wrong tonight, not the first time this season either. 

One of the best players on the pitch today, well done Zak!

[Finley_Smith10]

1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Really?  Please explain..

The sheer amount of channel balls to no one. Should be more options showing however felt like he gave the ball back to them so many times

[The Swan and Cemetery]

1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Really?  Please explain..

Played some of his dodgy long balls to no one in particular, but his short passing was great and brought it out like Hansen in his pomp a couple of times. 

[Bobbie]

12 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Whilst I appreciate his primary role is to defend, which he did well, his distribution is woeful. 

At the start of the season I was saying the same thing but I thought his all round game was excellent tonight 

[Engvall’s Splinter]

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

So did I, someone is either desperate to criticise or wasn’t watching properly.

Zak used the ball excellently tonight, bit of a gutter for those looking for something to moan.

I’m sure someone will dig out the stats, especially those in the second half. I know fans can sometimes get a bit overexcited but I’d certainly challenge “excellently”.

As I said, he defended well. 

[ralphindevon]

6 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Agree, although looked like he was blowing after about 30 mins, wonder if NP thinks he has something of the Cam Pring of a season or two ago and his being left out relates to needing to improve fitness? Looked good in the middle tonight. 

Yeah I’m sure it must have been something along those lines.

[Ron W]

22 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Whilst I appreciate his primary role is to defend, which he did well, his distribution is woeful. 

First half would agree, although he was still solid. Second half he improved - along with Tanner, who looked like a rabbit in the headlights before HT and was one of our best outlets after the break.

Edited December 29, 2022 by Ron W

[marcus]

42 minutes ago, tin said:

Having Tanner protecting him and offering an outlet was a massive help. 

Protecting him? He got skinned numerous times first half, though did improve. 

 

[Cityboy1954]

37 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Woeful distribution tonight?

I think the opposite!

Got done for pace on several occasions only looked good because of Tanners efforts .

[Super]

1 minute ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Got done for pace on several occasions only looked good because of Tanners efforts .

That's rubbish.

[Edgy Red]

I thought Zac had a good game and he has improved massively this season.

I still worry about him slightly in physical one on ones, but his overall game is getting better and he's at an age where he can hopefully continue to improve further.

[AppyDAZE]

Vyner has done well this season, and despite the couple of over-hit long passes that he seems to play every single game (which I still hope he can improve on), I think he has shut a few people up this season.  Fair play to the lad.

Edited December 29, 2022 by AppyDAZE

[GrahamC]

5 minutes ago, Super said:

That's rubbish.

Total nonsense.

Tanner found Burey a real handful first half but stuck at it, with Vyner’s support.

Tanner improved second half & did well, pleased for him, like him a lot.

 

[1960maaan]

Defensively sound, covered well and broke lines brilliantly a couple of times.
Yes he hit some poor long passes, they all did and it meant they didn't get caught on the ball, but I thought he did well.
Some of those passes were close to getting Weimann and Conway away, just got cut out. There was space in behind the FB/WBs, Naismith hit some horrendous ones first half, but it was obviously a plan.

[Davefevs]

40 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Total nonsense.

Tanner found Burey a real handful first half but stuck at it, with Vyner’s support.

Tanner improved second half & did well, pleased for him, like him a lot.

 

And Burey got subbed off because he did nothing with it, and Tanner started to link up further forward, so Rowett had to change personnel to a more defensive left side player (Styles).  A tick in the box for Tanner after a difficult start to the game…albeit hasn’t played RWB that much of late.

I like Vyner striding forward second half too.  For me he used the ball okay / fine tonight.

[BITW]

1 hour ago, tin said:

Having Tanner protecting him and offering an outlet was a massive help. 

Almost as if playing defenders in defence is advantageous to us. 

[JoeAman08]

1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

Woeful distribution tonight?

I think the opposite!

He’ll take the risk and try to fire it into feet or he’ll try to put one over the top of the defence. When it don’t work that is all people see. I think he needs to cut down on the long diagonal balls but otherwise he is fine. Was only one looking to get the ball into our forwards quickly

[Davefevs]

41 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

He’ll take the risk and try to fire it into feet or he’ll try to put one over the top of the defence. When it don’t work that is all people see. I think he needs to cut down on the long diagonal balls but otherwise he is fine. Was only one looking to get the ball into our forwards quickly

He also played 2 (maybe 3) 40 yard ground-passes through the lines into the strikers feet tonight.  That was nice to see too.

[cheddarwedlocker]

3 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

Atkinson looking trustworthy too

Ask nige 

[SBB]

2 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

He’ll take the risk and try to fire it into feet or he’ll try to put one over the top of the defence. When it don’t work that is all people see. I think he needs to cut down on the long diagonal balls but otherwise he is fine. Was only one looking to get the ball into our forwards quickly

I don’t mind the odd diagonal, it keeps the Rb honest against 4 at the back and asks questions of the Rcb and Rwb against a 3/5. Even if the execution isn’t always the best, it keeps the possibility of it in the backs of their minds. 

[Cityboy1954]

11 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Got done for pace on several occasions only looked good because of Tanners efforts .

If you wouldave watched the game the lad they subbed ripped him a new ass hole first half .

[Cityboy1954]

11 hours ago, Super said:

That's rubbish.

If you wouldave watched the game the lad they subbed ripped him a new asshole first half  for pace .

[Super]

22 minutes ago, Cityboy1954 said:

If you wouldave watched the game the lad they subbed ripped him a new asshole first half  for pace .

I only saw 2nd half in fairness

[Kolsch]

1 hour ago, Cityboy1954 said:

If you wouldave watched the game the lad they subbed ripped him a new ass hole first half .

Once. Did the same to Zak second half once also.

Aside from that, they did well. Probably why Rowett subbed him in the second half.

[Charlie BCFC]

13 hours ago, Bobbie said:

Outstanding tonight. 
 

Give that man a new contract 

Have to say thought he was very under par the two games prior, but last night he was magnificent 

[LondonBristolian]

I do feel Vyner is one of those players who could walk on water and end up with certain posters on here accusing him of being unable to swim…

[Mike Stone]

13 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Man of the match by a distance for me, immense.

Delighted for him.

Cam Pring for me, outstanding and strong now

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Kolsch said:

Once. Did the same to Zak second half once also.

Aside from that, they did well. Probably why Rowett subbed him in the second half.

Correct.  And his threat diminished as the game went on…as did our threat down our right second half.  Which is why Burey got replaced by a less attack minded option in Styles.

Tanner got to grips with him well after a shaky start.

[Davefevs]

[Spike]

I think we've become accustomed to seeing Vyner be so bad at times that tonight he gets praise for doing what he should be doing. I'll stick to my guns and say Vyner is better in the middle of the back 3 then he is in that right side. Tonight he had Tanner there who sits so much deeper than Weimann, Sykes etc which gives him that extra support, the problem arises when he doesn't have that deep support and a ball is played over the top on his side, he gets flustered easily. 
They key difference tonight for me was he had protection because Millwall were pushing that wing so Tanner was forced to sit deeper and help protect that side which led him to be more comfortable. Zac is more than capable of having a good game but his weakness on that right side is when he has to cover a lot of space, his decision making and positioning cost him dearly in those situations, however due to Millwall pushing the left wing last night he wasn't put into those situations. There will be games where we're not so deep on the right hand side and he'll be put in those positions again and I am confident that he'll make mistakes because of it which is exactly why he's better in the middle, because when he's there we have a player either side of him at all times with no space so he is calmer and more composed there. 

[elhombrecito]

5 minutes ago, Spike said:

I think we've become accustomed to seeing Vyner be so bad at times

Certainly not this season.

[Spike]

Just now, elhombrecito said:

Certainly not this season.

Don't get me wrong, he's been better but he's still made mistakes in those situations I mentioned. I think having only Tanner who really fits the right sided cb position has made sure he's had a lot of play time to get more consistent.

[Port Said Red]

Just now, elhombrecito said:

Certainly not this season.

I really think he is a great example of how the crowd can help a player. In the first few games this season, the boo boys were ready to jump on every missed pass or anything they saw as a mistake. But as the games wore on and Zac started to play much better around those mistakes, the rest of the crowd were really encouraging and his mistakes have become fewer, his contribution greater with the confidence they have given him.

[Red-Robbo]

15 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Man of the match by a distance for me, immense.

Delighted for him.

 

Probably no player has had to work harder to win back the respect of the manager and the fans. Fair play to him for managing that.

[Cityboy1954]

3 hours ago, Super said:

I only saw 2nd half in fairness

Fair enough mate

[ExiledAjax]

On 29/12/2022 at 21:40, Bobbie said:

Outstanding tonight. 
 

Give that man a new contract 

Ditto

Genuinely think he'd get my player of the season vote if asked right now.

[Lew-T]

11 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Ditto

Genuinely think he'd get my player of the season vote if asked right now.

I’d agree.

18 months ago I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the side. But full credit to him, he’s probably the first player you’d name at the back.

[RedM]

Much improved player of the season for sure. 

[Davefevs]

Had a very tough first half today, Gyokeres pinned him a few times and Zak eventually nibbled and got a yellow.  But he stuck at it, and Gyokeres eventually got frustrated and drifted deep in the end.  Great tackle on Gyokeres then avoided nibbling when he maybe concedes a pen, before blocking for a corner.

[Spike]

Vyner is a crazy one atm, I think a lot of our fans want him to come good and whilst he's definitely improved it's frustrating seeing people say he was MoM today when Pring was another gravy today. Vyner was better today for sure, but on three occasions he got tight to a defender and gave away fouls leaving space behind him of which one of those fouls put him on a yellow which forced him to be more cautious. The commentary team picked up on it too, he kept pushing into the back of his man and whilst it didn't cost us a player like Semenyo lives for those kinds of defenders as one quick turn when receiving the ball leaves the defender flat footed.
I don't want to bring negatives to Vyner because he's been through so much but it's also frustrating seeing people get carried away because he's not made any major mistakes. Vyner is capable but he's still making the odd bad decision that is getting overlooked because it's not cost us. Also his decision to keep playing long balls down the wing is frustrating, this may not be down to him, this could be what Peason has told him to do but it rarely does anything other than give away the possession.

Pring on the other hand, dangerous going forward, solid in defence, was taking players on, strong on the ball, he had the best performance by far.

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, Spike said:

Vyner is a crazy one atm, I think a lot of our fans want him to come good and whilst he's definitely improved it's frustrating seeing people say he was MoM today when Pring was another gravy today. Vyner was better today for sure, but on three occasions he got tight to a defender and gave away fouls leaving space behind him of which one of those fouls put him on a yellow which forced him to be more cautious. The commentary team picked up on it too, he kept pushing into the back of his man and whilst it didn't cost us a player like Semenyo lives for those kinds of defenders as one quick turn when receiving the ball leaves the defender flat footed.
I don't want to bring negatives to Vyner because he's been through so much but it's also frustrating seeing people get carried away because he's not made any major mistakes. Vyner is capable but he's still making the odd bad decision that is getting overlooked because it's not cost us. Also his decision to keep playing long balls down the wing is frustrating, this may not be down to him, this could be what Peason has told him to do but it rarely does anything other than give away the possession.

Pring on the other hand, dangerous going forward, solid in defence, was taking players on, strong on the ball, he had the best performance by far.

Spot on Spike, the timing of when he tries to go a bit physical is wrong.  His forward “has felt him” by then and just rolls him.

[Red-Robbo]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Had a very tough first half today, Gyokeres pinned him a few times and Zak eventually nibbled and got a yellow.  But he stuck at it, and Gyokeres eventually got frustrated and drifted deep in the end.  Great tackle on Gyokeres then avoided nibbling when he maybe concedes a pen, before blocking for a corner.

 

Have to say, Gyokeres is one of the best players in this division. 

[archie andrews]

Ive always thought technically zak had it all and could/would still make an excellent defensive midfielder... Keep going on this trajectory he wont be here long... 

Edited January 1, 2023 by archie andrews

[Lew-T]

46 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Spot on Spike, the timing of when he tries to go a bit physical is wrong.  His forward “has felt him” by then and just rolls him.

Pretty sure we’ve criticised his physicality before. The aggressiveness is lacking sometimes, but like you say, it’s picking the right time to do it. 
 

That’s where he needs to improve.

[bexhill reds]

On 29/12/2022 at 21:45, tin said:

Having Tanner protecting him and offering an outlet was a massive help. 

Exactly this, the defence plays as a unit covering each other, having a defender on his outside rather than a midfielder or a forward makes all the difference, then he can concentrate on his game and not keep half an eye on where his RWB is

[Davefevs]

Just now, Lew-T said:

Pretty sure we’ve criticised his physicality before. The aggressiveness is lacking sometimes, but like you say, it’s picking the right time to do it. 
 

That’s where he needs to improve.

It is because in some ways it reminds me of me, I wasn’t the most physical CB either in terms of “nailing” my opponent.  I relied on winning stuff in the air and making them play the way they face.  I didn’t get rolled though, because I learned from an ex-City player how not to get felt.

[The Swan and Cemetery]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Vyner is a crazy one atm, I think a lot of our fans want him to come good and whilst he's definitely improved it's frustrating seeing people say he was MoM today when Pring was another gravy today. Vyner was better today for sure, but on three occasions he got tight to a defender and gave away fouls leaving space behind him of which one of those fouls put him on a yellow which forced him to be more cautious. The commentary team picked up on it too, he kept pushing into the back of his man and whilst it didn't cost us a player like Semenyo lives for those kinds of defenders as one quick turn when receiving the ball leaves the defender flat footed.
I don't want to bring negatives to Vyner because he's been through so much but it's also frustrating seeing people get carried away because he's not made any major mistakes. Vyner is capable but he's still making the odd bad decision that is getting overlooked because it's not cost us. Also his decision to keep playing long balls down the wing is frustrating, this may not be down to him, this could be what Peason has told him to do but it rarely does anything other than give away the possession.

Pring on the other hand, dangerous going forward, solid in defence, was taking players on, strong on the ball, he had the best performance by far.

Thought Zak was a lot better than simply avoiding making mistakes, lots of good tackles, positioning and dealt with the ball well when he had it. Not perfect - and agree he can improve how close he gets to opponents with their back to goal - but not sure anyone, including Cam, achieved that. Thought the commentary and the match day thread went overboard on the booking, a central defender getting booked seemed to require an automatic substitution to avoid a red card, which it turned out was an unnecessary concern, as one of the best strikers in the division became ever less influential. 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

It is because in some ways it reminds me of me, I wasn’t the most physical CB either in terms of “nailing” my opponent.  I relied on winning stuff in the air and making them play the way they face.  I didn’t get rolled though, because I learned from an ex-City player how not to get felt.

He's 25 now and he is maturing.  Hes a slow learner reminds me a lot of Lewis. 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Thought Zak was a lot better than simply avoiding making mistakes, lots of good tackles, positioning and dealt with the ball well when he had it. Not perfect - and agree he can improve how close he gets to opponents with their back to goal - but not sure anyone, including Cam, achieved that. Thought the commentary and the match day thread went overboard on the booking, a central defender getting booked seemed to require an automatic substitution to avoid a red card, which it turned out was an unnecessary concern, as one of the best strikers in the division became ever less influential. 

I rarely read the MDT real time.  Reading it back after the match is an eye-opener at times!

[Davefevs]

Just now, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

He's 25 now and he is maturing.  Hes a slow learner reminds me a lot of Lewis. 

Yep, coming into his best years as a CB.  I never saw Carey play much, but I can see why you’d make the comparison.

He really is better than “League One at best” isn’t he?

[Engvall’s Splinter]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

Vyner is a crazy one atm, I think a lot of our fans want him to come good and whilst he's definitely improved it's frustrating seeing people say he was MoM today when Pring was another gravy today. Vyner was better today for sure, but on three occasions he got tight to a defender and gave away fouls leaving space behind him of which one of those fouls put him on a yellow which forced him to be more cautious. The commentary team picked up on it too, he kept pushing into the back of his man and whilst it didn't cost us a player like Semenyo lives for those kinds of defenders as one quick turn when receiving the ball leaves the defender flat footed.
I don't want to bring negatives to Vyner because he's been through so much but it's also frustrating seeing people get carried away because he's not made any major mistakes. Vyner is capable but he's still making the odd bad decision that is getting overlooked because it's not cost us. Also his decision to keep playing long balls down the wing is frustrating, this may not be down to him, this could be what Peason has told him to do but it rarely does anything other than give away the possession.

Pring on the other hand, dangerous going forward, solid in defence, was taking players on, strong on the ball, he had the best performance by far.

Superb post and exactly my thoughts. The guy has significantly improved and is performing well, yet I think the lower expectations we’ve become accustomed to have allowed a few posters to get slightly carried away. 

Edited January 1, 2023 by Engvall’s Splinter

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, coming into his best years as a CB.  I never saw Carey play much, but I can see why you’d make the comparison.

He really is better than “League One at best” isn’t he?

Vyner cuts it at this level, and will get better at this level I think.  Lewis was a far better player in his later years, and did very well for us even though he was in out of the side at times for periods.

[megansdad]

nothing to do with expectations Vyner was excellent today, as were several others. Some very solid defending, several crucial interventions and some really good passes forward

[italian dave]

29 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Thought Zak was a lot better than simply avoiding making mistakes, lots of good tackles, positioning and dealt with the ball well when he had it. Not perfect - and agree he can improve how close he gets to opponents with their back to goal - but not sure anyone, including Cam, achieved that. Thought the commentary and the match day thread went overboard on the booking, a central defender getting booked seemed to require an automatic substitution to avoid a red card, which it turned out was an unnecessary concern, as one of the best strikers in the division became ever less influential. 

Completely agree. He’s not perfect; none of our players are. But solid again, and that tackle second half was up there with the very best. I really thought we were going to concede: if that had been a Morocco defender in the world cup we’d have seen it time after time. 

[Bris Red]

55 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, coming into his best years as a CB.  I never saw Carey play much, but I can see why you’d make the comparison.

He really is better than “League One at best” isn’t he?

I must say i was always in the ‘Vyner is league one at best’ camp but fair play to him he has really come on the past few months and proved the doubters (myself included) all massively wrong.

I think its definitely a confidence thing with Zac. You can see him literally go within himself after a bad touch or pass but equally when he does something well and he senses the crowd’s positive response he looks a different player. He is growing into a very solid championship player.

Edited January 1, 2023 by Bris Red

[Numero Uno]

Just now, Bris Red said:

I must say i was always in the ‘Vyner is league one at best’ camp but fair play to him he has really come on the past few months and proved the doubters (myself included) all massively wrong.

I think its definitely a confidence thing with Zac. You can see him literally go within himself after a bad touch or pass but equally when he does something well and he senses the crowd’s positive response he looks a different player. 

Shows the influence that fans can have on players. They aren’t oblivious to the fact they are getting loads of stick in the stands in the same way that when they have a few good games and the flak isn’t coming their way they also pick up on that, can relax a bit and show what they can do.

[Kolsch]

Excellent again today, one of the first names on the team sheet now. Well done Zak!