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Rebuild Required - Alex Neil is your man….for Stoke

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Mr Popodopolous

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I'll give it a go, look forward to others also chipping in.

They had an underlying loss of £29m before Player sales and obviously before FFP and the final Covid bits in 2021-22.

My workings suggest probably not, as the sale of Souttar for £15m (may have sell on clause to subtract), Bursik has assisted a bit, their ridiculous Covid add-backs although the effect of these, Collins £10m and Collins sell-on. Tymon too and presumably the wage bill has fallen.

Their Covid add-backs, some £40-45m of them I have a real real issue with.

Not dissimiar to Everton weighted to the division Covid wise, they likely will be aok to this season, next hmm, 2 years hence hmmmm.

There is a double whammy with their £30m in Implemairmrjt of Player Registrations attributed to Covid..(halved due to Covid adjustments for 2019-20 and 2020-21).

1) This removes it as a cost in the period.

2) Th is removed it as a cost going forward as it is £30m in Book Value to be amortised over x years that should really be accounted for.

Perhaps makes them easier to offload as they no longer need to risk selling below value or to take a regular impairment.

Also they sought to argue £11m in 2020-21 to lost Player Sale profits. Maybe similar another £1-2m in 2021-22.

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37 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Absolute graveyard for managers.

Michael O’Neill incredible first spell with Norn Iron, failed.

Nathan Jones, excellent job at Luton, failed.

Gary Rowett, pretty decent elsewhere, failed.

Alex Neil is a treble promotion winning manager, failed.

The Coates family spend fortunes on high wages & fees & they are the only club I can think of that serially underachieves more than us.

They’ve had a spell, and a fairly long spell at that, in the PL which is more than we’ve had under the Lansdowns, mind. 

Not saying you’re wrong in your assessment but they’ve had more joy than us (even if that odious shit Pulis was responsible for that!)

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

In terms of why Neil left Sunderland, he perhaps didn't agree with their model.

Wanted more control over transfers, probably wanted a bigger budget, more focus on experience etc.

No it had nothing to do with those things - it is well documented that Sunderland were only willing to offer him a rolling 12 month deal, where as Stoke offered him a 3 year contract.

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Mr Popodopolous

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2 minutes ago, TheSpaniard said:

No it had nothing to do with those things - it is well documented that Sunderland were only willing to offer him a rolling 12 month deal, where as Stoke offered him a 3 year contract.

It is well documented but there was also chatter about transfer disquiet that plus what @Markthehorn said about family.

Though, him going back there feels a non starter IMO.

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47 minutes ago, tin said:

They’ve had a spell, and a fairly long spell at that, in the PL which is more than we’ve had under the Lansdowns, mind. 

Not saying you’re wrong in your assessment but they’ve had more joy than us (even if that odious shit Pulis was responsible for that!)

Add an FA cup final and a stint in the Europa league in that time as well!

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1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Absolute graveyard for managers.

Michael O’Neill incredible first spell with Norn Iron, failed.

Nathan Jones, excellent job at Luton, failed.

Gary Rowett, pretty decent elsewhere, failed.

Alex Neil is a treble promotion winning manager, failed.

The Coates family spend fortunes on high wages & fees & they are the only club I can think of that serially underachieves more than us.

Agree to a point,., but they were in the europa league and established in the premier having gone up in our play off season,,, id swap our last 20 years for theirs!

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18 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Agree to a point,., but they were in the europa league and established in the premier having gone up in our play off season,,, id swap our last 20 years for theirs!

Of course but since they came down they have totally ****** up having parachute payments.

We never had them to lose and in the last 5 seasons they have finished below us more times than above us.

This season already looks like about avoiding relegation too.

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13 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Of course but since they came down they have totally ****** up having parachute payments.

We never had them to lose and in the last 5 seasons they have finished below us more times than above us.

This season already looks like about avoiding relegation too.

Probably lucky the owners are fans and have lots of money or they would probably be in serious trouble off the pitch .

Don’t think they have even had a top half finish since relegation?

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What ever we think about Stoke sacking Neil ,their owner knows how to give credit to him for the building blocks he has laid (team wise) . Said that he has integrity and wishes him well for the future.

Compare that to the shambles and lies that our owner and BT put out, theirs looks class .

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17 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

My mate is a Stoke fan and is praying they replace O’Neil with NP 

I will be envious of them if they appoint him. He'll do a steady job, galvanise the club behind the scenes, bring the majority of the fanbase back on side and make them harder to beat

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8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Stoke fans really wouldn't want NP by the look.

Potter is reportedly their top target, then Dean Smith also linked.

Bloke on the radio last night was suggesting Potter was the fans favourite - seems there are Gas levels of delusion up there! 

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Mr Popodopolous

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3 minutes ago, lenred said:

Bloke on the radio last night was suggesting Potter was the fans favourite - seems there are Gas levels of delusion up there! 

Potter used to play for them, but it would still be a step downwards for him to say the least!

They seem one of those clubs or fanbases that could do with a relegation to League One tbh.

Eustace could be more realistic given he used to play there and is much less established than Potter.

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Mr Popodopolous

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11 minutes ago, Coxy27 said:

Anyone wondering why Neil left Sunderland...

Money.

No further investigation needed.

To a degree although he and Sunderland's transfer policy didn't align. Both in terms of budget and profile of players.

FFP still applies to Stoke, they've cleared a range of issues but all costs count to begin before certain items deducted.

Money certainly plays a role but I do think we wanted more autonomy and of course financial backing in the market at Sunderland.

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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

It’s probably just because they’re nicknamed “The Potters” he feels a natural fit.

Same reason why this is the favourite for Joeys next job.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Cuntum

They can have Potter, we’ll get Mark Robins as manager and Mark Ashton as………..maybe not! 

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8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Their fans are certainly ambitious! Albeit Parker I wouldn't want here so wirh a non top few budget clubs are welcome to him.

Well ambitious is one interpretation anyway..

“We’ll explore all avenues to get the right person for the job” said technical director Ricky Martin

I’m guessing from that they’re going to be looking upside - inside - out….

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