Can't tell the time...

[spudski]

Made me laugh, in an ironic sad way...Betty Glover reporting on the Fulham game on BBC,  looking at the clock and can't grasp the time straight away

Seems to be a very common theme with the younger generation. Can't read a clock. 

Do they not teach this in schools anymore?

I had this problem when teaching kids in Canada...didn't think it would become common here

[redsince1994]

Every generation struggles with technology that was obsolete before they were born 

[spudski]

7 minutes ago, redsince1994 said:

Every generation struggles with technology that was obsolete before they were born 

But it's not obsolete fellow red. Clock faces are everywhere...watches still a fashionable accessory, especially expensive ones...clock faces in towns, villages, homes and as in this case, Football grounds

I've found it really common. Happened to me only last week again, with a bar staff member... literally didn't have a clue how to read a clock.

[joe jordans teeth]

16 minutes ago, spudski said:

Made me laugh, in an ironic sad way...Betty Glover reporting on the Fulham game on BBC,  looking at the clock and can't grasp the time straight away

Seems to be a very common theme with the younger generation. Can't read a clock. 

Do they not teach this in schools anymore?

I had this problem when teaching kids in Canada...didn't think it would become common here

Did they ever teach it in schools,my parents taught me,I haven’t met a young lad who doesn’t know how to read a clock yet at work,I’m not saying there isn’t some but that is down to the feral parents 

[joe jordans teeth]

https://youtu.be/0QVPUIRGthI no better time 

Edited January 28, 2023 by joe jordans teeth

[spudski]

3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Did they ever teach it in schools,my parents taught me,I haven’t met a young lad who doesn’t know how to read a clock yet at work,I’m not saying there isn’t some but that is down to the feral parents 

I'm not sure...that's why I'm asking. None of the parents of the kids I taught were feral. And the bar staff member is well educated and knowledgeable on other aspects. 

I was taught at primary school.

It was normal...and we did have digital watches being introduced when I was a kid. 

I just find it a more common experience...and when a BBC football pundit can't tell the time, I find that rather astonishing. 

[Harry]

We all go by the wrong time anyway, given that there should really be 13 months of 28 days + 1 day of rest. 

[spudski]

Just now, Harry said:

We all go by the wrong time anyway, given that there should really be 13 months of 28 days + 1 day of rest. 

You have a point...I'm actually born in that 13th month.

[James54De]

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

We all go by the wrong time anyway, given that there should really be 13 months of 28 days + 1 day of rest. 

But that would still equal 365 days. Thus, the time would be exactly the same. 

[A Horse With No Name]

5 minutes ago, Harry said:

We all go by the wrong time anyway, given that there should really be 13 months of 28 days + 1 day of rest. 

But the time would still be the same, just the wrong date.

[BigTone]

Isn't it a generational thing though. In all honesty I can relate to the time by looking at a clock face rather than a digital readout, however I'm sure the opposite applies to the younger ones.

Here in France it can get even more complex when for instance 6:40 (twenty to seven) can also be referred to as 7 minus 20 !!

Edited January 28, 2023 by BigTone

[redsquirrel]

i set up a neighbours sundial last year, that was interesting, and seemingly accurate too for the few times i checked it

[spudski]

7 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Isn't it a generational thing though. In all honesty I can relate to the time by looking at a clock face rather than a digital readout, however I'm sure the opposite applies to the younger ones.

Here in France it can get even more complex when for instance 6:40 (twenty to seven) can also be referred to as 7 minus 20 !!

3.35...used to be 5 and 20 to 4 when I was a kid

[chinapig]

They may not be able to tell the time because they spend all their time on Tik Tok.

[BigTone]

2 minutes ago, spudski said:

3.35...used to be 5 and 20 to 4 when I was a kid

It was

[joe jordans teeth]

22 minutes ago, spudski said:

I'm not sure...that's why I'm asking. None of the parents of the kids I taught were feral. And the bar staff member is well educated and knowledgeable on other aspects. 

I was taught at primary school.

It was normal...and we did have digital watches being introduced when I was a kid. 

I just find it a more common experience...and when a BBC football pundit can't tell the time, I find that rather astonishing. 

How do these people meet up then,half 12 is alien speak I’m guessing 

[spudski]

4 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

How do these people meet up then,half 12 is alien speak I’m guessing 

It was...when I told the kids to meet at a point after lunch, I'd say meet at 12..45. Or quarter to one. They'd look at me like I was an alien :laugh:

[BCFC Rich]

3 minutes ago, spudski said:

It was...when I told the kids to meet at a point after lunch, I'd say meet at 12..45. Or quarter to one. They'd look at me like I was an alien

Americans (in New Jersey and California at least) don't use 'quarter past' or quarter to' at any point - doesn't matter what age, it completely baffles them. In New Jersey the clearly don't do 24 hr clocks either, people kept asking me why I was using military time and where I'd served. 

[Sniper]

19 minutes ago, spudski said:

3.35...used to be 5 and 20 to 4 when I was a kid

Me too Spud. No good if you're crap at maths though!

[Barrs Court Red]

6 minutes ago, BCFC Rich said:

Americans (in New Jersey and California at least) don't use 'quarter past' or quarter to' at any point - doesn't matter what age, it completely baffles them. In New Jersey the clearly don't do 24 hr clocks either, people kept asking me why I was using military time and where I'd served. 

******* Yanks and the “military time” thing cracks me up every time - and it’s very much not limited to New Jersey. 

[joe jordans teeth]

Does anybody wear a wrist watch anymore,I never have but remember my dad and the men growing up always did

[BigTone]

2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Does anybody wear a wrist watch anymore,I never have but remember my dad and the men growing up always did

I do but then I am an Old Fart

[Lanterne Rouge]

8 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Does anybody wear a wrist watch anymore,I never have but remember my dad and the men growing up always did

I do. I can`t say I look at it too much but it doesn`t feel right not having one on. I even went six weeks before Christmas wearing one that didn`t work as I knew Mrs LR was getting me a new one as a present!

[Barrs Court Red]

10 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Does anybody wear a wrist watch anymore,I never have but remember my dad and the men growing up always did

Al Fraudy has a nice one. 

[spudski]

16 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Does anybody wear a wrist watch anymore,I never have but remember my dad and the men growing up always did

Loads do...even the young ens, as they are seen as a statement piece.

You've only got to look at a jewelers to still see ranks of watches.

The likes of Rolex, Omega, Breitling etc etc are still promoted,even to the young ens.

[Med/MadHatter]

41 minutes ago, spudski said:

It was...when I told the kids to meet at a point after lunch, I'd say meet at 12..45. Or quarter to one. They'd look at me like I was an alien

I get the same thing ,I live in Western Canada, blows my mind at times

[Nogbad the Bad]

21 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Does anybody wear a wrist watch anymore,I never have but remember my dad and the men growing up always did

Never been without one.

Had to use my reserve for a few days last week until I got a new battery for my usual one.

[spudski]

Just now, Med/MadHatter said:

I get the same thing ,I live in Western Canada, blows my mind at times

Funnily this happened in Elkwater just up the road from Med Hat, when I was teaching.

[Med/MadHatter]

24 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Does anybody wear a wrist watch anymore,I never have but remember my dad and the men growing up always did

My Dad always had a pocket watch in his waistcoat, he wasn't posh or anything, he was a builder, different days back in the 60s and 70s I guess

[Med/MadHatter]

3 minutes ago, spudski said:

Funnily this happened in Elkwater just up the road from Med Hat, when I was teaching.

My wife is from Medicine Hat and she's always having to explain to others what I'm saying :laugh:

[joe jordans teeth]

23 minutes ago, spudski said:

Loads do...even the young ens, as they are seen as a statement piece.

You've only got to look at a jewelers to still see ranks of watches.

The likes of Rolex, Omega, Breitling etc etc are still promoted,even to the young ens.

Like a stone island jacket but round your wrist 

[spudski]

1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Like a stone island jacket but round your wrist 

A stone Island is more Seiko imo

[joe jordans teeth]

1 minute ago, spudski said:

A stone Island is more Seiko imo

Couldn’t agree more but the youth think names are everything 

[joe jordans teeth]

48 minutes ago, BigTone said:

I do but then I am an Old Fart

Why do I imagine you as this

Edited January 28, 2023 by joe jordans teeth

[BigTone]

2 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Why do I imagine you as this

My phone wasn't as slimline as that

[spudski]

1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Couldn’t agree more but the youth think names are everything 

I know a lad that spent a fortune on Stone Island. He doesn't even like football. I used to take the piss out of him and say he looked like a football hooligan.

I saw him this week wearing the same garb, but with the badge removed. I commented on it...he's met a girl, got engaged etc...he said ' yeah I know mate, I've grown up' made me smile. 

[pongo88]

1 hour ago, redsince1994 said:

Every generation struggles with technology that was obsolete before they were born 

Time is not an obsolete. The problem with digital clocks is the just tell you the time. People often don’t really want to know the actual time, they want to know how much time is left before a specific event - eg the end of the match. With a traditional clock you can glance at it and know, approximately, how much time is left. With a digital clock you’ve got to do a bit of simple mental arithmetic. This is beyond a lot of people 

[joe jordans teeth]

1 minute ago, spudski said:

I know a lad that spent a fortune on Stone Island. He doesn't even like football. I used to take the piss out of him and say he looked like a football hooligan.

I saw him this week wearing the same garb, but with the badge removed. I commented on it...he's met a girl, got engaged etc...he said ' yeah I know mate, I've grown up' made me smile. 

So instead of buying a decent top he just took the badge off,I know money is tight but Jesus 

[BigTone]

8 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Why do I imagine you as this

Not even as slimline as this. The feckin thing was like a suitcase with a 6 foot aerial

[Harry]

1 hour ago, James54De said:

But that would still equal 365 days. Thus, the time would be exactly the same. 

 

1 hour ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

But the time would still be the same, just the wrong date.

Yep. I get your point, but …. It wouldn’t necessarily be exactly the same time. 
Seconds, minutes and hours are closely followed by days, weeks and months. They’re all part of the same concept. 
If our next match was to kick off at 3pm on 30th January, it would be incorrect. It would actually be the 15th hour on the 2nd day of the 11th month. 

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, Harry said:

 

Yep. I get your point, but …. It wouldn’t necessarily be exactly the same time. 
Seconds, minutes and hours are closely followed by days, weeks and months. They’re all part of the same concept. 
If our next match was to kick off at 3pm on 30th January, it would be incorrect. It would actually be the 15th hour on the 2nd day of the 11th month. 

Sorry, you have lost me Harry. Times and dates are different , no?

[spudski]

10 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

So instead of buying a decent top he just took the badge off,I know money is tight but Jesus 

Tbh...the quality isn't bad. But at the end of the day, it's just a plain black jacket...with a badge attached

[Unan]

14 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

Time is not an obsolete. The problem with digital clocks is the just tell you the time. People often don’t really want to know the actual time, they want to know how much time is left before a specific event - eg the end of the match. With a traditional clock you can glance at it and know, approximately, how much time is left. With a digital clock you’ve got to do a bit of simple mental arithmetic. This is beyond a lot of people 

Ummm, no? A digital clock directly tells you the time, then maths blabla. An analogue clock doesn't directly tell you the time, you work it out, and then you do mental arithmetic to work out how long left/whatever other reason.

[RedM]

The only thing that ever confused me about telling the time was the 24 hour clock used on bus timetables etc. Eg the time was either am or pm, not bloody 15.25 for nearly half past three!

[ExiledAjax]

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep. I get your point, but …. It wouldn’t necessarily be exactly the same time. 

Seconds, minutes and hours are closely followed by days, weeks and months. They’re all part of the same concept. 
If our next match was to kick off at 3pm on 30th January, it would be incorrect. It would actually be the 15th hour on the 2nd day of the 11th month. 

But all of those things are simply man-made markers used to describe and give context to the inexorable decay of the universe that we call time and the entropy that defines the direction of time's arrow. Assuming that the two times you describe are at the same point relative to now then the match would be happening at the same time, all that changes is whatever man-made method of description you use.

And that's all a clock does as well, it just describes time in a way that humans can perceive. And that is why it doesn't matter one jot if a person uses a digital, analogue, water or other type of clock so long as they can interpret time in a manner sufficient to take part in society.

[BigTone]

2 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Ummm, no? A digital clock directly tells you the time, then maths blabla. An analogue clock doesn't directly tell you the time, you work it out, and then you do mental arithmetic to work out how long left/whatever other reason.

I suppose it all depends on one age and how you were taught

[Harry]

3 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Sorry, you have lost me Harry. Times and dates are different , no?

Surely they are part of the same concept? 
Related to the amount of time it takes the moon to go round the earth, the earth to go round the sun etc. 

If we didn’t have days, weeks, months and years then we likely wouldn’t have hours, minutes and seconds. They’re all related. 
 

Anyway. As I said, I get your point. The ‘actual’ hour/minute of the day would be the same, but we are fooling ourselves if we think that’s an accurate reflection of our world, which should actually be based on 13 months of 28 days with April 1st as the ‘day of rest’. 

[Taz]

Wife's a teacher, trust me, they start learning (well should) how to tell the time in year 1/2. 

[Unan]

3 minutes ago, BigTone said:

I suppose it all depends on one age and how you were taught

Either way, to see how late/early you are, you need to know the current time.

2 minutes ago, Taz said:

Wife's a teacher, trust me, they start learning (well should) how to tell the time in year 1/2. 

Sure we learnt in reception, would’ve been.. 1999, or 2000 (****, I'm getting old). Always got confused how some kids couldn't understand the simple concept. It's not like the teachers told us that each segment was equivalent to 5n, and when taking into account the entirety, it sums up to a total of sixty

Edited January 28, 2023 by Marcus Aurelius

[BigTone]

Just now, Marcus Aurelius said:

Either way, to see how late/early you are, you need to know the current time.

Indeed.  My biggest bugbear is people turning up late, because my time is as valuable to me as theirs is to them.  Does my head in TBH.

[Harry]

2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

But all of those things are simply man-made markers used to describe and give context to the inexorable decay of the universe that we call time and the entropy that defines the direction of time's arrow. Assuming that the two times you describe are at the same point relative to now then the match would be happening at the same time, all that changes is whatever man-made method of description you use.

And that's all a clock does as well, it just describes time in a way that humans can perceive. And that is why it doesn't matter one jot if a person uses a digital, analogue, water or other type of clock so long as they can interpret time in a manner sufficient to take part in society.

Yes. If we live in the false world we do, then you are right. The man-made concept is irrelevant. 
That’s why the true concept of time isn’t man-made. It’s based on the proximity of the earth, moon and sun - which is definitely not man-made. 

[Reigate Red]

2 hours ago, spudski said:

Made me laugh, in an ironic sad way...Betty Glover reporting on the Fulham game on BBC,  looking at the clock and can't grasp the time straight away

Seems to be a very common theme with the younger generation. Can't read a clock. 

Do they not teach this in schools anymore?

I had this problem when teaching kids in Canada...didn't think it would become common here

I saw that and laughed but I did like the enthusiasm she had for the game and her self deprecation.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Reigate Red

[joe jordans teeth]

7 minutes ago, Harry said:

Surely they are part of the same concept? 
Related to the amount of time it takes the moon to go round the earth, the earth to go round the sun etc. 

If we didn’t have days, weeks, months and years then we likely wouldn’t have hours, minutes and seconds. They’re all related. 
 

Anyway. As I said, I get your point. The ‘actual’ hour/minute of the day would be the same, but we are fooling ourselves if we think that’s an accurate reflection of our world, which should actually be based on 13 months of 28 days with April 1st as the ‘day of rest’. 

My head hurts 

[pongo88]

6 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Ummm, no? A digital clock directly tells you the time, then maths blabla. An analogue clock doesn't directly tell you the time, you work it out, and then you do mental arithmetic to work out how long left/whatever other reason.

How on earth can you say that an analogue clock doesn’t directly tell you the time. This clock tells you the time, if you’ve learned how to tell the time. If something is due to happen at 10.15, a quick glass will tell you there is approx 5 minutes left. Unfortunately a lot of people haven’t learned how to tell the time 

[spudski]

1 minute ago, Reigate Red said:

I saw that and laughed but I did like the enthusiasm she head for the game and her self deprecation.

Yes she certainly came across as an excited fan. It was refreshing. 

[Taz]

8 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Either way, to see how late/early you are, you need to know the current time.

Sure we learnt in reception, would’ve been.. 1999, or 2000 (****, I'm getting old). Always got confused how some kids couldn't understand the simple concept. It's not like the teachers told us that each segment was equivalent to 5n, and when taking into account the entirety, it sums up to a total of sixty

Well think they might start looking at clocks earlier, as in 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock erc, but 10 past, quarter past etc starts 1/2.

[ExiledAjax]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Yes. If we live in the false world we do, then you are right. The man-made concept is irrelevant. 
That’s why the true concept of time isn’t man-made. It’s based on the proximity of the earth, moon and sun - which is definitely not man-made. 

There's nothing false about time though, and time isn't tied to the moon, earth or sun. If any or all of those three celestial bodies ceased to exist then time would continue. It wouldn't continue for us, we'd all die, but time as a whole, as a facet of the universe, that would carry on. 

The lunar or solar calendar are just ways to describe time based on our interpretation from our observation point on this planet. Days, months and years are useful, but they don't define time in any way at all.

[Harry]

7 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

My head hurts 

I know. It’s the false nature of the world we’ve been taught. 
Why is December the 12th month? When everything else described with ‘DEC’ is numbered as 10?

The same with October. Oct is 8, not 10. Sept is 7, not 9. Nov is 9, not 11. etc etc. 

It’s the way it used to be. But somewhere along the line around 270 years ago we changed the calendar to the false one we operate under now. 

[Harry]

7 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

There's nothing false about time though, and time isn't tied to the moon, earth or sun. If any or all of those three celestial bodies ceased to exist then time would continue. It wouldn't continue for us, we'd all die, but time as a whole, as a facet of the universe, that would carry on. 

The lunar or solar calendar are just ways to describe time based on our interpretation from our observation point on this planet. Days, months and years are useful, but they don't define time in any way at all.

Of course. The actual ‘telling of the time’ is man made. But we currently interpret it incorrectly. 

[Unan]

19 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

How on earth can you say that an analogue clock doesn’t directly tell you the time. This clock tells you the time, if you’ve learned how to tell the time. If something is due to happen at 10.15, a quick glass will tell you there is approx 5 minutes left. Unfortunately a lot of people haven’t learned how to tell the time 

Yes, of course, reading a clock is easy. But also, if you look at a digital clock and see 10:15, you know it's 10:15, how can that be harder?

An analogue clock doesn't actually tell you the exact time, you have to perform some basic calculations beforehand.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Marcus Aurelius

[spudski]

6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

There's nothing false about time though, and time isn't tied to the moon, earth or sun. If any or all of those three celestial bodies ceased to exist then time would continue. It wouldn't continue for us, we'd all die, but time as a whole, as a facet of the universe, that would carry on. 

The lunar or solar calendar are just ways to describe time based on our interpretation from our observation point on this planet. Days, months and years are useful, but they don't define time in any way at all.

However, as humans we use time in Science.

It has to be precise for certain elements to work.

Say for example, flying to the moon and getting times exact.

But then you get the opposite. It wasn't that long ago that the Inuit people had worked out by sight, that the world's axis had shifted.

They contacted NASA...for all their science they hadn't noticed. The Inuit 'elders' were correct.

Showing everyone on earth uses ' time' differently. 

For anyone who hasn't heard of this...

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/inuit-elders-tell-nasa-earth-axis-shifted-shellie-l-robinson

[Unan]

Time, a concept that has long been pondered by philosophers and scientists alike, is a complex and elusive phenomenon that defies easy explanation. To say that time is simply a measurement of the duration between two events is to reduce it to a mere mathematical abstraction, and to miss the true essence of its being.

In reality, time is a multidimensional construct that is intimately tied to the nature of existence itself. It is the very fabric of the universe, and it is through the movement and flow of time that all things come into being and pass away.

As human beings, we often experience time in a linear fashion, with past, present, and future all existing in a seemingly fixed and unchangeable progression. However, this is but one perspective, and there are many theories that suggest that time may in fact be cyclical, or even non-linear.

At the heart of all these theories is the fundamental question of what time truly is. Is it a fundamental aspect of reality, or simply a human construct? And if it is a construct, what is it that gives it meaning and purpose?

In the end, the true nature of time may forever remain a mystery, but this should not dissuade us from contemplating its mysteries, for in doing so, we may gain a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world around us.

[BigTone]

28 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

My head hurts 

Can I join the club ? I can supply medication also.

Edited January 28, 2023 by BigTone

[BigTone]

39 minutes ago, spudski said:

Tbh...the quality isn't bad. But at the end of the day, it's just a plain black jacket...with a badge attached

Yes but how much time did it take to buy it ?

[BigTone]

11 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Yes, of course, reading a clock is easy. But also, if you look at a digital clock and see 10:15, you know it's 10:15, how can that be harder?

An analogue clock doesn't actually tell you the exact time, you have to perform some basic calculations beforehand.

What if it says 22:15 ?

[pongo88]

8 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

Yes, of course, reading a clock is easy. But also, if you look at a digital clock and see 10:15, you know it's 10:15, how can that be harder?

An analogue clock doesn't actually tell you the exact time, you have to perform some basic calculations beforehand.

I think you’ve just proved my point that a lot of people haven’t learned how to tell the time. The example I used told the exact time. As you say to children, who are are learning to tell the time, the little hand is slightly past the 10 and the big hand is on the - i. e. ten past ten. They do this without thinking. Of course this doesn’t tell you if it’s am or pm but if someone doesn’t know if it’s day or night they are pissed and time is meaningless 

[spudski]

5 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Yes but how much time did it take to buy it ?

Close to £1k

A lot of the stuff the kids at grounds wear is knock off Turkish fake.

[bredwood]

14 minutes ago, spudski said:

 

But then you get the opposite. It wasn't that long ago that the Inuit people had worked out by sight, that the world's axis had shifted.

They contacted NASA...for all their science they hadn't noticed. The Inuit 'elders' were correct.

Showing everyone on earth uses ' time' differently. 

For anyone who hasn't heard of this...

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/inuit-elders-tell-nasa-earth-axis-shifted-shellie-l-robinson

That article you linked to started off fine but by the end it became obvious that it was written by a real fruitcake 

‘These changes are aligning humanities mind, body and soul with a main source of energy power coming from the Sun Rise and its Seven Light Rays healing, cleansing and activating humanities Super Genes.’

[BigTone]

1 minute ago, pongo88 said:

I think you’ve just proved my point that a lot of people haven’t learned how to tell the time. The example I used told the exact time. As you say to children, who are are learning to tell the time, the little hand is slightly past the 10 and the big hand is on the - i. e. ten past ten. They do this without thinking. Of course this doesn’t tell you if it’s am or pm but if someone doesn’t know if it’s day or night they are pissed and time is meaningless 

Sorry, but is it morning or late evening?

[The Fat Controller]

I'm getting déjà vu